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Quote from: emrecemsan on July 13, 2023, 01:40:51 PM

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Marko who is one of the heads at redbull released an interview saying:

Devris is 3/10 slower than tzunoda per lap, there is no point in waiting more for him.

I suppose they learned nothing form the case of Albon.

Marko is just very impatient and harsh on drivers. Albon was a really talented driver but he didn't want to wait for a longer time period to give him a chance. Now Albon is doing incredible things with Williams. I even read some news related to this topic today. It says that Albon was offered to return to Red Bull but he rejected it as he was believing in Williams' development and future. I think he made the right decision if this really happened. Because I believe he was going to end up with the same result again most probably.

De Vries didn't have enough time to get used to F1 either. We are barely halfway the season. For example Piastri also started to shine newly. McLaren didn't sack him because of being much slower than Norris in most of the races so far. I recommend the same thing to Marko.

I agree with Albon,the fact that both Williams were near the points zone with Albon being there in a so tight run season means that Williams finally is coming out from their lethargic slumber as they are not winning races since the golden age of Ralf Schumacher and Huan Pablo Montoya if I am not mistaken and these guys were racing 2002-2005,more than 20 years from now considering 2002.

McLaren is very much well known for this,they give the driver the right amount of time and the right amount of races before determining that he needs to be sacked,of course Piastri had not that many races and he is a rookie too but the McLaren team is run in this context by better people than Marko.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 12, 2023, 05:00:45 PM

Marko who is one of the heads at redbull released an interview saying:

Devris is 3/10 slower than tzunoda per lap, there is no point in waiting more for him.

I suppose they learned nothing form the case of Albon.

Marko is just very impatient and harsh on drivers. Albon was a really talented driver but he didn't want to wait for a longer time period to give him a chance. Now Albon is doing incredible things with Williams. I even read some news related to this topic today. It says that Albon was offered to return to Red Bull but he rejected it as he was believing in Williams' development and future. I think he made the right decision if this really happened. Because I believe he was going to end up with the same result again most probably.

De Vries didn't have enough time to get used to F1 either. We are barely halfway the season. For example Piastri also started to shine newly. McLaren didn't sack him because of being much slower than Norris in most of the races so far. I recommend the same thing to Marko.

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De Vries wasn't that great I agree with that but it has been like 10-11 races, when you get a young kid to drive, you do not get rid of him this quickly. It was his rookie season and he was getting used to the car, I am not saying he was any good, of course he was bad, and if it was his 5th season I would understand firing him, but this was the very first races he had, how could they fire him after just this small sample size?

In any case, they had a driver that had much more experience, and even wins under his belt, which meant that he was the better decision to start with, they should have used Daniel from the start. Now, it is going to be exceedingly hard for De Vries to come back, and more often than not, he will probably never come back.

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Perez definitely will end up getting kicked, but getting Riccardio, who is 34 years old, being 35 next season, is not the smartest of the moves. Sure they got him that AT spot this year, so he could warm up and be ready for next season and if Perez keeps having bad results, and even put their constructor in tough spot (looks like won't) I would say that Perez will be gone, but putting Riccardio in there still doesn't make sense. He is 35, at best he can give them 5 seasons if he is good, Alonso raced after 40+ as we can see, so its not impossible but its also not ideal. You would rather have some 17-18 or at most 20 year old kid that can take the spot, so he can race until 25 and eventually be their best driver, someone who can put some pressure on Max. Not an old racer who could just be his sidekick.

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Marko who is one of the heads at redbull released an interview saying:

Devris is 3/10 slower than tzunoda per lap, there is no point in waiting more for him.

I suppose they learned nothing form the case of Albon.

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RBR's way of changing their driver is quite aggressive. Anyone who didn't live up to their expectations would be replaced whenever they wanted. Well, this makes sense considering that Nyck's performance has not shown any improvement at all and maybe F1 is not a suitable place for Nyck, maybe Formula E can accept him back to compete there.
And as for Daniel I am quite excited to welcome him back to F1 as a new driver at AlphaTauri. Daniel is a pretty fun driver in my opinion, it's just that yesterday he didn't fit in at McLaren, hopefully at AlphaTauri he can adjust and improve his performance even better than he did at McLaren before.

It's his debut season in F1, so, I don't want to judge him much, he wasn't extremely bad, but in general, de Vries didn't showed any signs of improvement in half season that already passed. That's harsh reality of F1, especially when you're in Red Bull system - show results now or you will be replaced.
It's a bit relief for Perez as hisseat is safe at least until end of season.

For Perez there is nothing to be relieved as his results are really bad during these last couple of races and as Verstappen said in an interview you should be able to come out comfortably to Q3 with the best car on the grid,something Perez is missing in consecutive races.

I wonder what Ricciardo will bring at Alpha Tauri as he did not deliver at McLaren let alone to deliver in a miserable team like Alpha Tauri,De Vries came with a lot of hype and this penalized him,expectations for him were higher than they should and now he is out of F1 in the middle of the rookie season.

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Quote from: retreat on July 11, 2023, 10:33:13 PM

RBR's way of changing their driver is quite aggressive. Anyone who didn't live up to their expectations would be replaced whenever they wanted. Well, this makes sense considering that Nyck's performance has not shown any improvement at all and maybe F1 is not a suitable place for Nyck, maybe Formula E can accept him back to compete there.
And as for Daniel I am quite excited to welcome him back to F1 as a new driver at AlphaTauri. Daniel is a pretty fun driver in my opinion, it's just that yesterday he didn't fit in at McLaren, hopefully at AlphaTauri he can adjust and improve his performance even better than he did at McLaren before.

It's his debut season in F1, so, I don't want to judge him much, he wasn't extremely bad, but in general, de Vries didn't showed any signs of improvement in half season that already passed. That's harsh reality of F1, especially when you're in Red Bull system - show results now or you will be replaced.
It's a bit relief for Perez as hisseat is safe at least until end of season.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 11, 2023, 04:48:26 PM

So Riccardo will be back in F1 over De Vries.

And this is only the 1st step, if the thing goes like they are going he will take the spot of Perez in RBR next season.

Horner sent Ricciardo's tyre testing results to Marko and right after that Marko called de Vries to say that he is fired. Ricciardo was only 0.7s slower than Verstappen's pole lap. Of course 0.7s is still a serious gap in Formula 1 but Ricciardo has been away from F1 for a while on one hand.

Everything happened really fast that I'm sure de Vries is still in shock. Marko didn't even let him race until exactly the half of the season. But I'd like to be honest here. I'm really happy that Ricciardo is back in F1. If he shows a decent performance with AlphaTauri then we might really see Ricciardo back at Red Bull next season who knows.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 11, 2023, 04:48:26 PM

So Riccardo will be back in F1 over De Vries.

And this is only the 1st step, if the thing goes like they are going he will take the spot of Perez in RBR next season.

RBR's way of changing their driver is quite aggressive. Anyone who didn't live up to their expectations would be replaced whenever they wanted. Well, this makes sense considering that Nyck's performance has not shown any improvement at all and maybe F1 is not a suitable place for Nyck, maybe Formula E can accept him back to compete there.
And as for Daniel I am quite excited to welcome him back to F1 as a new driver at AlphaTauri. Daniel is a pretty fun driver in my opinion, it's just that yesterday he didn't fit in at McLaren, hopefully at AlphaTauri he can adjust and improve his performance even better than he did at McLaren before.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 11, 2023, 04:48:26 PM

So Riccardo will be back in F1 over De Vries.

And this is only the 1st step, if the thing goes like they are going he will take the spot of Perez in RBR next season.

I've always been very proud of Riccardo's performance, even when he had more problems.
Since he became Red Bull's regular driver in 2014, replacing Mark Webber, he has managed to win seven races in five years, with his best performance being third in both the 2014 and 2016 championships.

Sadly, I think his career went downhill even as he lost ground to Max Verstappen in 2016, then moved to Renault in 2019 (two years without a shine), signed with McLaren (two more years without results) and only an unexpected victory in the Italy of 2021.

I hope that now with RedBull, he can demonstrate again that he is a driver who deserves to be in the F1 category, I hope to see good races from Riccardo.

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So Riccardo will be back in F1 over De Vries.

And this is only the 1st step, if the thing goes like they are going he will take the spot of Perez in RBR next season.

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Williams technically has the worst car on the grid. However Albon's work recently definitely deserves to be appreciated. If he can maintain this success in the race as well he can finish this week with even points. But it wouldn't be easy for him while he doesn't have a very reliable car about durability. Still Williams must be very contented with Albon's effort.

Hamilton and Russell couldn't get a good spot in qualifying. However Norris' challenge for the pole position and finishing in second place must have made British supporters really happy. They would like to see one of the British drivers on the grid to finish on podium. I wonder if that can be Norris this time.

Looks like they might not have the worst car anymore. I agree that it looked like that for many years but I feel like they figured something out and have a decent car now. It's not just albon, even sergeant had a good result for a while and he did as best as he could when he can. Long story short, I am not saying they are top 5 right away, but they are not the worst anymore neither, they are doing as well as they could hope for and I am expecting Albon to finish within top 10 this week, that is a possibility.

It's a whole long season and sometimes teams that started terrible could end up with a good result, we are seeing that clearly with Mclaren, and we can say that Williams are not on the wrong path neither, they are doing fine.

Yeah maybe I'm wrong about it considering the latest a few races. Especially this race was a sign of some good improvement as you said. Williams was a dominant team in the distant past. I would really like to see Williams reaching a top level to be able to compete harder with the biggest teams in the future.

Alfa Romeo and especially AlphaTauri are the biggest disappointments of this season actually. They are so inadequate about developing their cars at an enough level that they are very slow.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 08, 2023, 05:53:33 PM

Williams technically has the worst car on the grid. However Albon's work recently definitely deserves to be appreciated. If he can maintain this success in the race as well he can finish this week with even points. But it wouldn't be easy for him while he doesn't have a very reliable car about durability. Still Williams must be very contented with Albon's effort.

Hamilton and Russell couldn't get a good spot in qualifying. However Norris' challenge for the pole position and finishing in second place must have made British supporters really happy. They would like to see one of the British drivers on the grid to finish on podium. I wonder if that can be Norris this time.

Looks like they might not have the worst car anymore. I agree that it looked like that for many years but I feel like they figured something out and have a decent car now. It's not just albon, even sergeant had a good result for a while and he did as best as he could when he can. Long story short, I am not saying they are top 5 right away, but they are not the worst anymore neither, they are doing as well as they could hope for and I am expecting Albon to finish within top 10 this week, that is a possibility.

It's a whole long season and sometimes teams that started terrible could end up with a good result, we are seeing that clearly with Mclaren, and we can say that Williams are not on the wrong path neither, they are doing fine.

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It is somewhat of a tragic-comedy the fact that the Ferrari team manages to ruin every race for their drivers,I think a massive lay off should be done there and not in the IT companies that we had so far Grin

,surely they deserve more to be sacked with such horrendous performance during these last 2 years.

Sainz was the second victim and unfortunately I can say without problems that Ferrari no matter how good of a car they can manage to have on track with these guys directing the strategies they will rarely be in the podiums if they will ever be,as other teams are progressing much better.

I think this is only "hate" against them.
If they continued with the old tires and got an overtook by Russell people on the Internet were complain for that reason.

Easy to go against someone when they can't compete.

I don't think it is due to hate. At least not for me. Grin

Because we can clearly see even Ferrari drivers as fed up with them. For example did you see Xavi in qualifying? He was literally not even aware that Leclerc was in his flying lap and he warned Leclerc about watching out for the cars behind. Cheesy

Leclerc answered him heatedly to say that he was also pushing already.

Ferrari need to deal with this huge problem. Many people are mocking their strategies I'm afraid. Verstappen also mocked them not a long time ago about this. Ferrari don't deserve this. It shouldn't be too difficult to change the whole crew responsible for this with a more reliable one.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on July 09, 2023, 02:51:57 PM

Norris is driver of the day without any doubt. Overtaking Max on start and then that fight with Lewis - it's incredible how he managed to defend position. P4 for Piastri, it's not podium but still amazing achievement for him. It's also important to mention what pace with hard tyres Mclaren had.
Albon finish ahead both Ferrari, I'm not sure this thing shows how good Alex is or how bad Ferrari were today. At one moment several cars went through Sainz so easy, it even looked that he is going so slow because some mechanical issues.

This is a very exciting race, where we can see how Norris really gives his best performance to be able to compete with Max. Even when Hamilton wanted to cut his position, he really defended and did not give Hamilton a chance to corner him. I totally agree that Norris was the driver of the day.
For Ferrari it seems they can't maintain their performance in this race. Even though we know that in yesterday's qualifying session, their performance was quite good, but we don't know why Ferrari's strategy in this race was quite chaotic so that their two drivers finished in 9th and 10th positions.

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Indeed it was a great performance by McLaren today. The development of the car has reached a really serious level these days and the drivers are also taking advantage of it more day by day. Piastri also started to adapt here more and he showed it by his great performance in the British GP. Maybe he lost the podium chance to Hamilton but this is still a huge improvement for him.

Norris has such great skills that I wish McLaren can give him a much faster car in the future. This might be like the sign of resurrection of McLaren maybe who knows. They can at least become the second best team even if they can't compete with Red Bull at a similar level.

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What a magnificent performance made by McClaren and his drivers, really imprssive, i cant believe how they managed to fight also against Max Verstappen for a few laps.

I hope they can maintain this level on the nexts races, and we finally see Mcclaren coming back to the big fight and not against Alpine for 5/6 position in manufacters.

You know that car was really good when they put a hard compound in Norris and still beat Mercedes and LW in fast soft tyre. When i saw that move in tv i think they destroyed the whole race of Norris, but seems like the correct option.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on July 09, 2023, 02:51:57 PM

Norris is driver of the day without any doubt. Overtaking Max on start and then that fight with Lewis - it's incredible how he managed to defend position. P4 for Piastri, it's not podium but still amazing achievement for him. It's also important to mention what pace with hard tyres Mclaren had.

Just goes to show how good some of these drivers are even against a car that is basically unbeatable for the longest of time. McLaren's upgrade and strategies seem to work well. Piastri, a driver that you don't regularly see in the top 5, managed to finish in top 4. And Norris overtaking Verstappen at the start is a sight to behold, and a lot of people surely cheered when that happened but we all know that Red Bull will catch up and get that first place especially with Max on the driver's seat.

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Albon finish ahead both Ferrari, I'm not sure this thing shows how good Alex is or how bad Ferrari were today. At one moment several cars went through Sainz so easy, it even looked that he is going so slow because some mechanical issues.

Ferrari has been in a lot of troubles for a long time now. The drivers aren't to blame here; it must be their car or their strategist calling in some poor shots from the sidelines. I feel bad for Sainz and Leclerc. It's as if they're really trying to be in the top spot to which Ferrari is always known to be at, but their car and the people around them doesn't seem to help them get what they deserve at all.

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Quote from: swogerino on July 09, 2023, 02:58:26 PM

It is somewhat of a tragic-comedy the fact that the Ferrari team manages to ruin every race for their drivers,I think a massive lay off should be done there and not in the IT companies that we had so far Grin

,surely they deserve more to be sacked with such horrendous performance during these last 2 years.

Sainz was the second victim and unfortunately I can say without problems that Ferrari no matter how good of a car they can manage to have on track with these guys directing the strategies they will rarely be in the podiums if they will ever be,as other teams are progressing much better.

I think this is only "hate" against them.
If they continued with the old tires and got an overtook by Russell people on the Internet were complain for that reason.

Easy to go against someone when they can't compete.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on July 09, 2023, 02:30:15 PM

The progress McLaren has made is just unbelievable now. The upgrade package seems to have made a big impact on the performances of their drivers. Especially Norris has started to find the opportunity to show his skills more comfortable with a faster and more stable car. Today was wonderful for Piastri and especially Norris.

The beginning of the race was incredible as Norris overtook Verstappen quickly thanks to a better reaction time. Although I knew that Verstappen was going to take his place back later it was still a lovely start to the race. After the race Verstappen ran to Norris to congratulate his superb effort also.

I was hoping to see Leclerc on podium but unfortunately he was the victim of Ferrari's poor strategies again together with Sainz.

It is somewhat of a tragic-comedy the fact that the Ferrari team manages to ruin every race for their drivers,I think a massive lay off should be done there and not in the IT companies that we had so far Grin

,surely they deserve more to be sacked with such horrendous performance during these last 2 years.

Sainz was the second victim and unfortunately I can say without problems that Ferrari no matter how good of a car they can manage to have on track with these guys directing the strategies they will rarely be in the podiums if they will ever be,as other teams are progressing much better.

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