Topic: Moving from slush to where with 29 Th/s ? NOW: competition pool vs. pool. - page 2. (Read 4828 times)

who is satoshi labs and trezor ?

SatoshiLabs = SlushPool

SatoshiLabs = Trezor

think about that?

Something fishy happens on slush, I belive they may show more hash rate than there actually is ...

Thanks for running this test gnu123

Very interested - been at Slush for a long time but jumped to Kano-ck a couple of weeks ago - and glad I did!

I sat with Slush thinking luck would turn - but it just does not even till now.  Some days it looks OK - then back to 12hrs plus to wait for blocks - its really quite unbelievable that it goes on for months.

It all went to shit at Slush when the hash went up from 15 PH/s

Slush seems to have an effective hash of 15-20 Ph/s - not what is reported at 37-40?

I just cannot understand why the faithful stay when its clearly just not working anymore.

Early days at a couple of weeks for me but no comparison with Slush vs Kano so far.

Look fwd to your ongoing updates - great work!

It might be worth benchmarking the results against a PPS pool like Antpool PPS or F2Pool. 

For instance at current difficulty F2Pool payout (with fee of 4%) is 0.00464763 BTC / Thash/s
https://www.f2pool.com/help - but you need an account to check payout updates

Cheers - usukan

It´s the total rewards, its only one S7 on each pool. If it was daily out of a S7 we would all be rich :-)


d57heinz :


As you say, something seems to be not right with the time. I dont know how/why becouse both miners were started within 20 minutes of eachother.
I have absolutely no intention of giving any of the pools an advantage but 20 minutes more or less doesnt matter after two weeks.
Maybe different timezones or wrong time on pool i dont know but the hashing has been running on both pools started amost the same.

What matters more is that no S7 hashes exactly the same as one other. I got 6 copys of S7 , I choose the two who hashes almost the same, but still after some days it will not be 100% accurate.


What i´m fishing after in this test is the rather big difference in luck between these two pools. Smaller differences is not possible to measure with this type of simple test. Also kano was down due to dDos for 1,2 hours before yesterday.....

This is no exact science, but if the 20% difference in luck realy exists it will show up.

I can not restart the test just to get thoose 20 minutes right becouse the owner of the serverroom, who also is paying the electricity which i get for free, he dont like slush anymore so he wants me to move the last S7 from slush quite soon, and as long as he pay the electricity he´s word goes.
So some more weeks il run the test, then all miners must work at Kano´s labor camp or they will get no more food.

BBT with more pics and payoutdata, and now i will write that it is total 

Right away i see an issue with the way you started this test.  By looking at you image of slush i can clearly see you was on that pool prior to being on kano. It takes a couple hours to ramp up on slush. could you please show the entire reward history for that account.. Then i can see how much earlier you started on slush then kano.. But as it is. there is no way you could have gotten full reward on that first block at 13:00 on slush had you not been mining minimum of two hours prior. what i think you should do is  make two new accounts on both sites and move the miners to those sites at the exact same time. or as close as possible.. Within couple minutes..  you need to show us the shifts when you started kano mining and when you started slush mining.   then you will have an accurate test.. wait a month or two then take both machines off both pools and see where you stand after both pools show 0 ths.

best Regards
d57heinz

Haha this is going to be total for the 6 days

is it daily payout or total?

kano : 0.05815938 BTC   slush : 0.07002296 BTC  

if daily, please tell me how did you do it

 

Day 6 of hashing

The Payouts

kano : 0.05815938 BTC

slush : 0.07002296 BTC

Yeah, I was just pointing out for anyone looking at the comparison and didn't realise, that when it ends there will be a period after that of more BTC from kano.is

That i fully understand.

What i want to prove with this little competition beween the two pools is mostly that something seems to be strange with a big pool doing about 80% for a long time.

Maybe im wrong..... maybe im just a foilhat seeing a conspiracy or scam everywhere, time will tell. ;-)

If both pools where doing an average of around 100% over a three month period and one pool take 2% fee and the other 0,9% fee the payout difference would be small.

I know people saying that there can be no problem with slush becouse its so big, have existed for so many years and so many people are mining there so any problem would be discovered and handled with fast. Maybe.... Maybe the luck will turn and stay at 120% for six month.....

Well yeah with kano.is after you stop mining, you expect, on average, i.e. if luck was always 100%, to get a total of 2 more full payouts, matching previous blocks, at the rate you were mining for the 5Nd before you stopped:
4/5 + 3/5 + 2/5 + 1/5 = 2
As usual, that depends on luck during the 5Nd after you quit, but those are the average expected rewards

Edit: Also note, in PPLNS, this 'ramp' does exist, no matter what anyone else says, when you start and stop, no matter how the pool does their N.
It must always exist since, when you start mining at a pool, you can never guarantee that you started at or before the start of the oldest shift used in the payout of the next block.
Even if their N is as tiny as only 1 hour, if you happen to start at half way through the N, and a block is found while your first shift is still included, you won't have a full shift of shares for the N so your first reward will of course be lower than having a full shift of shares.
That is of course expected since you are being paid for less shares, but the side effect is that each reward appears to 'ramp' up when you start (and 'ramp' down when you exit)
That 'ramp' can in fact sometimes be zero, but that would depend on the N size in PPLNS, the pool size and the pool luck at the time.
No one knows when the next block is, so yeah if some pool you are mining at thinks they do know in advance when they will get blocks, expect problems mining there

Day 5 of hashing

The payouts :

kano : 0.05815938 BTC

slush : 0.05831845 BTC

Almost the same !


If nothing strange happends, slush will take the lead and keep lead for 2-3 weeks, then kano will pass.
That is only what i think becouse of that the first payouts from kano was very low due to the PPMLN system, and that will take a week or two
to catch up for kano.


Right now the "luck" on slush is :

day 106%
week 80%
month 79%

Strange for a 39 Ph/s pool with that bad monthly luck for a long time, maybe the statistics is wrong and slush will outperform kano in a month ?
Dont know.

Day 4 of hashing

The payouts :

kano : 0.0150691 BTC

slush : 0.04655816 BTC


Happy new year to You !

Thnx, i think i understand.

 I also read : http://www.etcwiki.org/wiki/Bitcoin:_PPLNS_vs_PPS

Yeah it's the usual comment about what the 5N actually means

I put this on the help page a while ago:
https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout


So your total reward for each share will currently depend on blocks found after each share for "roughly 4days 7hrs"
But that's just dependent upon the pool hash rate, it's the 5Nd that decides the rewards.
So, e.g. if you stopped mining and the pool was 10.8PHs, it would take "half as long in time" to payout your remaining shares.
If you stopped mining and the pool was 2.7PHs, it would take "twice as long in time" to payout your remaining shares.

The amount of the payouts as you start and finish are not affected by the the 5Nd.
The 5Nd just says how long it takes.

The thing that affects the indivdual/daily/whatever you choose payouts is the pool luck.
The pool had very good luck just after you started, so your current total is of course actually higher than expected for such amount of mining vs the 5Nd

Looking at the payouts based on a short period is actually not all that different to saying:
"I rolled a 6 on this dice on the first roll, so I will always roll a 6"

The best example of that is 'red october' where for the full month the block luck was 50%
Anyone who only mined during october and no other time got paid shit. Oh well, that's how luck works.
Conversely, anyone who was mining from 19.5wks go (16-Aug) until now should be above the 100% mark ... and that includes mining in october.

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Now for the two things that it would appear that a lot of miners have no idea about
1) You can't predict random block luck, the future random block luck is unaffected by previous random luck.
There is no statistical expected difference at all chasing luck vs not moving around.

2) Pools all include factors in their luck that are not luck.
They like to hide this fact coz it makes them look bad.
Them's the breaks.
Those controllable factors are lowest at ckpool.org and kano.is vs every other non-SPV pool.

Thnx jonnybravo !

That was a very good way of explaining the PPLNS system !



Thnx swilla for info, I intend to stick with kano.

Right now i have moved all S7 miners to kano without the one that must stay on slush so i can be able to compare.
Totaly 24 Th/s for now.

Once you hit your 5N, at current pool hash rate you will be getting ~.02 per block with kano. So it will take ~10 blocks on slush to reach the same amount. On days like yesterday, when we hit 3 that takes ~30 blocks with slush. Stick with kano and you won't be sorry. Since march of this year my little 5T setup has gotten me over 10 bitcoins with kano. Not bad at all IMO.

Day 3 of hashing.

The payouts :

kano : 0.0150691 BTC

slush : 0.02318437 BTC

Slush has gained more coins, for now. i Hope, and think that kano will catch up and tke the lead , but in how many days ?


The "luck" at slush is still very bad, with better luck it would have gained even more coins.

Both miners are doing well, besides a little break of about 1,2 hours yesterday when kano was down due to a ddos attack.

Do people really have such a boring life that they are doing ddos attacks on mining pools ? WTF ! And i thought my life was shitty.

Any input appreciated, the PPLNS system is not fully understood by me.
And i dont know what to expect.