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Okay, they get 125 for the P/E. That is still extremely high.

It's also based on a chart of incomes that shows long-term declines in income. Historic incomes are flattered by people making big bets when Bitcoin was cheap ie small USD volume. As BTC jumped 10x in recent months guess what volumes declined from hundreds per quarter to hundreds per month.

I would still say it's not a 'scam' since no-one is pushing the shares, however anyone choosing to buy at these levels is paying a very high price IMHO.
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
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So with the price of 0.001 btc/share and 1 billion shares that is a total price of 1000000 btc. With a profit of 136.5 btc for the month of December, extrapolated to 12 months (yes I know I could go back and add up all the profits for the last year, but that would give a different number) gives an annual earnings of 1638 btc. So the current P/E is 1000000/1638 for a P/E of 610.5.

Typical P/E values for companies listed on fiat based exchanges are in the order of about 5 to 20. Does it make sense for S.MPOE to have such a high P/E as compared to other types of stocks?

Maybe a more representative number www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/

Okay, they get 125 for the P/E. That is still extremely high.
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Psi laju, karavani prolaze.
I'm bored.  Can we keep this one going a little longer please? Smiley

So with the price of 0.001 btc/share and 1 billion shares that is a total price of 1000000 btc. With a profit of 136.5 btc for the month of December, extrapolated to 12 months (yes I know I could go back and add up all the profits for the last year, but that would give a different number) gives an annual earnings of 1638 btc. So the current P/E is 1000000/1638 for a P/E of 610.5.

Typical P/E values for companies listed on fiat based exchanges are in the order of about 5 to 20. Does it make sense for S.MPOE to have such a high P/E as compared to other types of stocks?

Maybe a more representative number www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
I'm bored.  Can we keep this one going a little longer please? Smiley

So with the price of 0.001 btc/share and 1 billion shares that is a total price of 1000000 btc. With a profit of 136.5 btc for the month of December, extrapolated to 12 months (yes I know I could go back and add up all the profits for the last year, but that would give a different number) gives an annual earnings of 1638 btc. So the current P/E is 1000000/1638 for a P/E of 610.5.

Typical P/E values for companies listed on fiat based exchanges are in the order of about 5 to 20. Does it make sense for S.MPOE to have such a high P/E as compared to other types of stocks?
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Year. To few soap opera threats on here.
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While there is an obvious disagreement with their business model, is it really a scam? I'll go back to a prior statement of mine about Bitbet...

With any MP backed venture, you can expect to get exactly what they say you will get, no more, no less. While the outcome is arguably unfair, it is exactly what you would expect them do.

The rules seem to be clear, if you don't like them, don't play.

I suppose you're right. It's not a scam as such, because it's all out in the open and delivers exactly what it promises.

Caveat Investor
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While there is an obvious disagreement with their business model, is it really a scam? I'll go back to a prior statement of mine about Bitbet...

With any MP backed venture, you can expect to get exactly what they say you will get, no more, no less. While the outcome is arguably unfair, it is exactly what you would expect them do.

The rules seem to be clear, if you don't like them, don't play.
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Funny how people outside of bitcoin assets who live in the real world tend to agree that mpex is a scam/bullshit
reddit karma does not cost anything - interesting, don't you think?

And since you've read this thread, you at least have found that:
statement 1 is incorrect: 30 BTC and goes to MPOE
statement 2 is incomplete: it has futures and options, options which are actually most of MPOE's revenue
statement 3 is correct
statement 4 is... what does it mean?

So indeed, you can gain reddit karma by saying things that are blatantly misinformed. Go get some more karma, then.

Well, this is my statement so let me clarify:

Statement 1: Holy Shit! You need to pay this scammer US$24,000 before you're even allowed to buy any of his scammy stocks
Statement 2: Fine, I stand corrected. Although I still reserve my judgment on this.
Statement 3: You've just paid this scammer $24,000 so please feel privileged that you're now allowed to pay him some more.
Statement 4: Now I can see why this statement confuses you, as you are clearly far divorced from the real world if you think MPEx offers anything of value to anyone other than Mircea Popescu.

Doing something in the real world means just that. Apple makes computers, Facebook runs a social network based advertising service. NeoBee is launching a bank, MintSpare wants to refurbish old electronics and resell them (I think they're way overvalued, but they are aiming to do something in the real world).

MPOE pays Mircea Popescu.
BitBet is mildly interesting and does operate in the real world. It pays Mircea Popescu.
Ministry of Games does nothing but pay Mircea Popescu.
No Such lAbs talks about cryptography and does nothing. But it pays Mircea Popescu.
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Asicminer
True. That business didn't start with Havelock, nor is exclusive to it, though.
It is however exclusive non-mpex exchanges
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HIF
False. IPO did not finish but they don't seem to want to sell more. You don't get a higher part of the profits though.
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neobee
False, and the IPO isn't finished, they have millions of direct shares for share.

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SFI
False. Stopped following at that time, so I don't know if they finished the IPO.

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And I don't even need to pay 30btc!
Stop with the bullshit already; it's been explained in this very thread how you can use a broker and never pay the 30 BTC.

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You do know that havelock has pretty strict requirements for listing a stock right?
They are listing MintSpare which is incredibly unfair to investors. And, well, 7C.
They did a fucking Labcoin passthrough themselves.
Still, funds before the Panama thing might be in a better position.

It's not that you're dumb and misinformed; you're now a compulsive liar.


None of those that have "unfinished ipo" specifically stated all tranches must be sold. Fact is people are buying shares at ipo price and believe these companies will succeed.


And as I said before using a broker is like using another service. You are not avoiding the mandatory 30btc reg fee by paying some guy who has already paid that fee a slightly lower fee so he can buy shares for you.

You can continue to hurl insults and state how misinformed I am in every post but its not going to do anything besides waste time.
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Psi laju, karavani prolaze.
legendary
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Keep pretending the reason mpex has so few stocks is because there are too many scams.

I include terrible IPO cash grabs in my definition of: "scam."  Actually, imo, Havelock has less "useful" projects than MPEx: Neo & Bee on Havelock; S.BBET & S.NSA on MPEx (profitability to be determined).

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Havelock does not list every stock that comes to its doorstep. It does have requirements and decent procedures to prevent scams.

*cough*VTXlabcoinMintsparePetaDealCoCBTC*cough* *coughmoar*kenilworthtobelistedonhavelocksoonLOL*hack*

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Major difference between mpex and other exchanges is that we actually use havelock and Cryptostocks to trade securities while mpex is used to gamble and or make mr pope rich.

The difference is suckers use other exchanges to shrink their portfolios be large amounts.  True this is the trend with nearly all BTC "investing,"  at least MP has built a platform to enable financing of projects (should they appear) that are more than cash grabs and MBA bullshit.

You're not wrong about futures gambling, but can a currency even be 'real' without the ability to short it?  

Havelock having "terrible ipo cash grabs" is your opinion and you are entitled to that but I happen to disagree. Although I have stated before I believe HIF is overpriced doesn't mean its a scam. There is a chance that many stocks on havelock succeed as well as fail but its not havelocks job to decide which is good and bad. They offer a nice platform for trading stocks and people use it because it works as advertised.

Mpex has built a solid system security wise no doubt. But it is far from practical or useful. Why would a stock want to list on mpex for 30btc vs another exchange for much less?

Also how does mp prevent scams? Is it because mp chooses not to list what he does not feel is a good investment or is it because no projects want to use his exchange?
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Psi laju, karavani prolaze.

Why would you want to list at some exchange which is ran by hard psychopathic racist guy who also hang out with Pirate and MNW?

Boggles my mind!

Money is money and at least my business will bring in real revenue

Meh, not even funny.
legendary
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Why would you want to list at some exchange which is ran by hard psychopathic racist guy who also hang out with Pirate and MNW?

Boggles my mind!

Money is money and at least my business will bring in real revenue
hero member
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Psi laju, karavani prolaze.

Why would you want to list at some exchange which is ran by hard psychopathic racist guy who also hang out with Pirate and MNW?

Boggles my mind!
legendary
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Keep pretending the reason mpex has so few stocks is because there are too many scams.

I include terrible IPO cash grabs in my definition of: "scam."  Actually, imo, Havelock has less "useful" projects than MPEx: Neo & Bee on Havelock; S.BBET & S.NSA on MPEx (profitability to be determined).

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Havelock does not list every stock that comes to its doorstep. It does have requirements and decent procedures to prevent scams.

*cough*VTXlabcoinMintsparePetaDealCoCBTC*cough* *coughmoar*kenilworthtobelistedonhavelocksoonLOL*hack*
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Havelock currently lists 17 stocks, giving 14 unique offerings. Around 6-7 of these are for mining companies, 2 are for banking operations and 1 is for an investment fund into a package of bitcoin startups.

Almost every one of these offerings is doing more for the world of bitcoin than the 4 stocks on MPEx. And none of them funnel money directly into the pocket of the owner of the exchange.

They make their money by collaborating with unscrupulous "CEOs" that IPO outrageously overpriced/inept/incomplete/non-existent/non-tangible ideas that somehow get labeled "assets" (as opposed to liabilities).

Homework assignment:  List every Havelock 'asset' that is currently trading above IPO price.  The market is trying to tell you something.



Asicminer, HIF, neobee, SFI are all trading at or above ipo. It is nice to have the option to look through multiple real world projects and decide on your own whether to invest or not. And I don't even need to pay 30btc!

You do know that havelock has pretty strict requirements for listing a stock right? Also is there anything tangible regarding mpex?
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Havelock currently lists 17 stocks, giving 14 unique offerings. Around 6-7 of these are for mining companies, 2 are for banking operations and 1 is for an investment fund into a package of bitcoin startups.

Almost every one of these offerings is doing more for the world of bitcoin than the 4 stocks on MPEx. And none of them funnel money directly into the pocket of the owner of the exchange.

They make their money by collaborating with unscrupulous "CEOs" that IPO outrageously overpriced/inept/incomplete/non-existent/non-tangible ideas that somehow get labeled "assets" (as opposed to liabilities).

Homework assignment:  List every Havelock 'asset' that is currently trading above IPO price.  The market is trying to tell you something.

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