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legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1000
Inflows: Between $5 million and $20 million / day

Outflows:
$300k to $1 million / day

That would mean that on average around 15M USD flow into MtGox per day,probably less.
If we discount the rougly 700k USD flowing out we are still at around a 14M USD surplus.

Given that MtGox EUR and USD markets account for around 70 % of the volume on all exchanges, that makes the total money flowing in to the Bitcoin economy roughly 20M USD/day.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/

At a current market cap of 1400M USD that increases the total market capitalization around 1%/day. Price has been closely related to the market cap in the past, so we can assume that by this 1% increase of market cap a 1% increase in price is justified.
http://blockchain.info/de/charts/market-cap?timespan=30days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

What we have seen over the past 7 days, since the 50USD bottom, is a 23% increase per day. Lets assume we have found the new equilibrium at around 120 USD now, we could expect a 1% price increase per day to be backed and thus justified by the growth in market cap. Anything above that would be unsustainable and deemed to correct itself.

Thoughts?

You're not factoring at all the off-exchange purchases, be them through person-to-person interactions (quite sizeable at times, if rpetilia is to be believed) or Tradehill dark pools. There could be a lot more fiat flowing into the ecosystem.

Thats true, I just sticked to what we "know" and we can see. There is a market off the exchanges but no numbers have been verified so its everybodies guess what size this market has and whether more money enters or leaves the Bitcoin economy through it. I think the off exchanges market is about 1/10th of the volume size, the exchanges cover, so it wouldnt have too much of an influence on the outcome of my calculation, but again thats just ball park guessing.
SAQ
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
Are there any bears left?

A week or two ago there were indications that it was going down, but right now the buying pressure seems immense.
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1000
Inflows: Between $5 million and $20 million / day

Outflows:
$300k to $1 million / day

That would mean that on average around 15M USD flow into MtGox per day,probably less.
If we discount the rougly 700k USD flowing out we are still at around a 14M USD surplus.

Given that MtGox EUR and USD markets account for around 70 % of the volume on all exchanges, that makes the total money flowing in to the Bitcoin economy roughly 20M USD/day.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/

At a current market cap of 1400M USD that increases the total market capitalization around 1%/day. Price has been closely related to the market cap in the past, so we can assume that by this 1% increase of market cap a 1% increase in price is justified.
http://blockchain.info/de/charts/market-cap?timespan=30days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

What we have seen over the past 7 days, since the 50USD bottom, is a 23% increase per day. Lets assume we have found the new equilibrium at around 120 USD now, we could expect a 1% price increase per day to be backed and thus justified by the growth in market cap. Anything above that would be unsustainable and deemed to correct itself.

Thoughts?

This assumes that buyers/sellers are "rational".

Correct. I expect price to detach from the "justified by market cap" levels soon, hence my closing phrase: "Anything above that would be unsustainable and deemed to correct itself."
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1001
Inflows: Between $5 million and $20 million / day

Outflows:
$300k to $1 million / day

That would mean that on average around 15M USD flow into MtGox per day,probably less.
If we discount the rougly 700k USD flowing out we are still at around a 14M USD surplus.

Given that MtGox EUR and USD markets account for around 70 % of the volume on all exchanges, that makes the total money flowing in to the Bitcoin economy roughly 20M USD/day.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/

At a current market cap of 1400M USD that increases the total market capitalization around 1%/day. Price has been closely related to the market cap in the past, so we can assume that by this 1% increase of market cap a 1% increase in price is justified.
http://blockchain.info/de/charts/market-cap?timespan=30days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

What we have seen over the past 7 days, since the 50USD bottom, is a 23% increase per day. Lets assume we have found the new equilibrium at around 120 USD now, we could expect a 1% price increase per day to be backed and thus justified by the growth in market cap. Anything above that would be unsustainable and deemed to correct itself.

Thoughts?

You're not factoring at all the off-exchange purchases, be them through person-to-person interactions (quite sizeable at times, if rpetilia is to be believed) or Tradehill dark pools. There could be a lot more fiat flowing into the ecosystem.
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Inflows: Between $5 million and $20 million / day

Outflows:
$300k to $1 million / day

That would mean that on average around 15M USD flow into MtGox per day,probably less.
If we discount the rougly 700k USD flowing out we are still at around a 14M USD surplus.

Given that MtGox EUR and USD markets account for around 70 % of the volume on all exchanges, that makes the total money flowing in to the Bitcoin economy roughly 20M USD/day.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/

At a current market cap of 1400M USD that increases the total market capitalization around 1%/day. Price has been closely related to the market cap in the past, so we can assume that by this 1% increase of market cap a 1% increase in price is justified.
http://blockchain.info/de/charts/market-cap?timespan=30days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

What we have seen over the past 7 days, since the 50USD bottom, is a 23% increase per day. Lets assume we have found the new equilibrium at around 120 USD now, we could expect a 1% price increase per day to be backed and thus justified by the growth in market cap. Anything above that would be unsustainable and deemed to correct itself.

Thoughts?

This assumes that buyers/sellers are "rational".
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Very nice analysis. Thank you
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1000
Inflows: Between $5 million and $20 million / day

Outflows:
$300k to $1 million / day

That would mean that on average around 15M USD flow into MtGox per day,probably less.
If we discount the rougly 700k USD flowing out we are still at around a 14M USD surplus.

Given that MtGox EUR and USD markets account for around 70 % of the volume on all exchanges, that makes the total money flowing in to the Bitcoin economy roughly 20M USD/day.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/

At a current market cap of 1400M USD that increases the total market capitalization around 1%/day. Price has been closely related to the market cap in the past, so we can assume that by this 1% increase of market cap a 1% increase in price is justified.
http://blockchain.info/de/charts/market-cap?timespan=30days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

What we have seen over the past 7 days, since the 50USD bottom, is a 23% increase per day. Lets assume we have found the new equilibrium at around 120 USD now, we could expect a 1% price increase per day to be backed and thus justified by the growth in market cap. Anything above that would be unsustainable and deemed to correct itself.

Thoughts?
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Okay bears now is your chance to be creative on how $5 to $20 million incoming cash per day into bitcoin will send the price lower.....LAWL  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Easy - "MtGox is lying"
 Cool Cool Cool


Try to be creative, it's Mt.Gox moving their own money around over and over again! Grin

PS: Smoothie, what kind of refutation is this? Obviously all of these chart sites are also part of a conspiracy group, and they are lying as well! Behold at the length Gox goes to cheat noobs out of their money! Wink

ROFL! CONSPIRACY!  Tongue
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
Okay bears now is your chance to be creative on how $5 to $20 million incoming cash per day into bitcoin will send the price lower.....LAWL  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Easy - "MtGox is lying"
 Cool Cool Cool


Try to be creative, it's Mt.Gox moving their own money around over and over again! Grin

PS: Smoothie, what kind of refutation is this? Obviously all of these chart sites are also part of a conspiracy group, and they are lying as well! Everyone is cheating on you, you're being played, SELL!SELL! Wink
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Some bullish news: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1cxdrr/reuters_tv_interview_with_mt_gox_in_tokyo/

Inflows: Between $5 million and $20 million / day
Outflows: $300k to $1 million / day

That means that in April between $100 million and $400 million was added to the market. When confidence is restored, the price could go ballistic once again.

very interesting.  Roll Eyes

Okay bears now is your chance to be creative on how $5 to $20 million incoming cash per day into bitcoin will send the price lower.....LAWL  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Doesn't matter, bears are in denial.

But of course it matters. I need my entertainment at the Bears' expense. Popcorn is ready and well stocked on my end. Entertain me bears LOL!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
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Some bullish news: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1cxdrr/reuters_tv_interview_with_mt_gox_in_tokyo/

Inflows: Between $5 million and $20 million / day
Outflows: $300k to $1 million / day

That means that in April between $100 million and $400 million was added to the market. When confidence is restored, the price could go ballistic once again.

very interesting.  Roll Eyes

Okay bears now is your chance to be creative on how $5 to $20 million incoming cash per day into bitcoin will send the price lower.....LAWL  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Doesn't matter, bears are in denial.
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Okay bears now is your chance to be creative on how $5 to $20 million incoming cash per day into bitcoin will send the price lower.....LAWL  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Easy - "MtGox is lying"
 Cool Cool Cool


I guess two of the last three charts on the following site are also lying as well right? Bids total is the highest ever. lol. Fail much?

http://blockchained.com/
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
Okay bears now is your chance to be creative on how $5 to $20 million incoming cash per day into bitcoin will send the price lower.....LAWL  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Easy - "MtGox is lying"
 Cool Cool Cool
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Some bullish news: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1cxdrr/reuters_tv_interview_with_mt_gox_in_tokyo/

Inflows: Between $5 million and $20 million / day
Outflows: $300k to $1 million / day

That means that in April between $100 million and $400 million was added to the market. When confidence is restored, the price could go ballistic once again.

very interesting.  Roll Eyes

Okay bears now is your chance to be creative on how $5 to $20 million incoming cash per day into bitcoin will send the price lower.....LAWL  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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