Topic: MtGox reclaim procedure? - page 3. (Read 9615 times)
Let me get this straight.... The reclaim instructions are buried somewhere in one of the PDFs posted on mtgox.com and people have to learn about it from a forum? How about the fucking administrator get all the email addresses used to log into Gox and send a fucking notice to the users??
reclaim is great because it can happen even if everyone is honest.
Can anyone actually share experience regarding a submitted claim?
Firstly and most importantly do they respond to confirm receipt?
Secondly do they let you know if something about the claim is incorrect or ill-formed?
Any report on first-hand experience of snail-mail communication with the the lawyer's office given in the notice would be greatly appreciated.
Firstly and most importantly do they respond to confirm receipt?
Secondly do they let you know if something about the claim is incorrect or ill-formed?
Any report on first-hand experience of snail-mail communication with the the lawyer's office given in the notice would be greatly appreciated.
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The bankruptcy is backed by the Japanese government
This is a very questionable assumption, since the bankruptcy was initiated by Mt. Gox itself, and it has been instrumental in moving the case forward each step of the way including making the final request for liquidation. The court has merely acceded to the filings of the administrator, the inestimable Mr. Nobuaki Kobayashi. Exactly who pulls his strings, and is it merely assumed that he is going to be neutral and unbiased in the matter?
Has anyone actually bothered to ask the Japanese government what their opinion about the Mt. Gox affair is? Maybe you'd be surprised by their answer. Leaving 127,000, mostly international depositors, dangling in the wind in a Tokyo bankruptcy court is not particularly in the country's national interest. This is especially true when Prime Minister Abe's administration has been trying to enhance Japan's attractiveness as a destination for foreign investors to help boost the economy.
The bankruptcy is backed by the Japanese government and they claimed to have found 200,000 bitcoins so if its worth your while claiming back your bitcoins Id do it, a simple letter of demand is what they want, if the amount isn't enough for you to pay for a lawyer just write your own to the best of your ability print out your screen shots from your login to their website of your balance, include your wallet address for the deposit of your coin or bank account details for them to return the equivalent in cash which to me would be around $1000 US per coin which is about when they stopped providing withdrawals.
No lawyers can help you speed up the process of a claim, everyone is in the same boat. Our best bet is okcoin comes up with a decent plan to take gox over.
While I agree with everything that you said and share your frustration (lost 1.000€ myself), I only see
"The method for filing claims will be published on this site as soon as we are in a situation to announce it. "
on mtgox.com
Where does it say how and until when claims can be filed?
But yeah this whole Gox post-collapse business is a colossal mess and I don't understand how Kepreles is not constantly watched and bombarded by the tech press and bitcoin enthusiasts alike...
"The method for filing claims will be published on this site as soon as we are in a situation to announce it. "
on mtgox.com
Where does it say how and until when claims can be filed?
But yeah this whole Gox post-collapse business is a colossal mess and I don't understand how Kepreles is not constantly watched and bombarded by the tech press and bitcoin enthusiasts alike...
Aren't you making a big assumption, that Mt. Gox, Mark and Company, etc. or the bk lawyer have any control over the remaining assets including the supposedly-found 200,000 btc?
If the bankruptcy is more or less of a sham, and either theft by an insider or government seizure and gag order are to blame for the disappearance, you may be filing a claim with the wrong authorities.
If it is the former, then an appeal to the Tokyo police to help return your stolen bitcoins is in order. Should a government seizure and gag order be responsible, then you would need to file a motion with a court to have your bitcoins returned, assuming you are innocent of any wrong-doing in the matter.
Regarding the bk being a farce, after reading the Wikipedia entry on "Kobayashi Maru", ask yourself whether it is merely a coincidence that the bankruptcy administrator is known as Attorney-at-law Nobuaki Kobayashi. We're talking Star Trek here, folks...
If the bankruptcy is more or less of a sham, and either theft by an insider or government seizure and gag order are to blame for the disappearance, you may be filing a claim with the wrong authorities.
If it is the former, then an appeal to the Tokyo police to help return your stolen bitcoins is in order. Should a government seizure and gag order be responsible, then you would need to file a motion with a court to have your bitcoins returned, assuming you are innocent of any wrong-doing in the matter.
Regarding the bk being a farce, after reading the Wikipedia entry on "Kobayashi Maru", ask yourself whether it is merely a coincidence that the bankruptcy administrator is known as Attorney-at-law Nobuaki Kobayashi. We're talking Star Trek here, folks...
First of all, I never had more cash/btc in MtGox than I could afford to lose.. So don't make that an issue please. However. it would always be nice to get it or a part of it back.
If anyone visits mtgox.com now, they will notice that there's a note of bankruptcy claim.
It says that claims can be filed until Nov 28 2014.
Now - there's only one address in there for some Nobuaki lawyer guy.
Now - I have already verified with MtGox, and MtGox knows my balance.
Why on earth should I verify again (Ie. sending copies of identity papers to some unknown lawyers in Tokyo, for all I know it can be an extension of this scam). Of course I can do some research on this, but it's hardly worth my time and effort to spend too much time on it.
In this day and age, why on earth could they not even list an e-mail address? Do we really have to send physical envelopes to Tokyo with out claims ?
And no word about how much is expected to be paid back. It's said there will be a meeting July this year to establish how much funds they have left, and then investigation of claims will not start until Feb 2015. God grief.
Is the law system always this slow?
Can't somone be authorized to fix the whole mess up? Someone the community trusts, then whatever is left can be paid back to the customers, and then the whole site just goes offline and buried permanently?
And whatever happened to the bitcoins and the cash? Afaik millions of dollars were unnaccounted for in cash as well as the missing bitcoins, and it should be easy enough to follow the trails of the dollars, and the bitcoins should be possible to find out about where went as well, both with technical help and investigation by police, questioning the Mtgox bunch, Mark and Gay primarily. Are both of these men still free men, not jailed? I cannot understand that.
So... What amount of papers are needed to file a claim? I did take screenshots of my account - but anyone can fake a screenshot. Will the amounts be checked against MtGox balances, if not, anyone can send in any sort of claim, claiming to holding a large balance with MtGox.
And to my understanding, there was a huge number of account holders at MtGox, and handling every case manually for one or two persons will probably take forever, esp. if there's supposed to be claims and paperwork for every customer as well.
Some automated solution, where a reclaim system is built and all legitimate account holders can log in and create a withdrawal address which will eventually receive a percentage of what can be paid out seems to be the only reasonable way to handle it. I prefer it not being made by Mark (no kidding.
)
If everybody is to send an envelope with papers to that lawyer, it's going to become a fucking mountain.
Anyone know anything more?
- What should a claim contain?
- Where should it be sent?
- Any way of contacting the lawyers digitally?
In this time and age, I can't believe such inefficiency exists. It's already established that atleast 200K BTC is recovered, and if the rest cannot be found, it should be quite possible to find out what happened to it.
Why is this not happening, and for christ sake, is the lawyer appointed even knowledgeable enough to handle this particular experts, is he going to hire expensive IT consultants to to the 'claim'-work? How much will eventually be left after all administrative costs have been paid?
What a mess!
If anyone visits mtgox.com now, they will notice that there's a note of bankruptcy claim.
It says that claims can be filed until Nov 28 2014.
Now - there's only one address in there for some Nobuaki lawyer guy.
Now - I have already verified with MtGox, and MtGox knows my balance.
Why on earth should I verify again (Ie. sending copies of identity papers to some unknown lawyers in Tokyo, for all I know it can be an extension of this scam). Of course I can do some research on this, but it's hardly worth my time and effort to spend too much time on it.
In this day and age, why on earth could they not even list an e-mail address? Do we really have to send physical envelopes to Tokyo with out claims ?
And no word about how much is expected to be paid back. It's said there will be a meeting July this year to establish how much funds they have left, and then investigation of claims will not start until Feb 2015. God grief.
Is the law system always this slow?
Can't somone be authorized to fix the whole mess up? Someone the community trusts, then whatever is left can be paid back to the customers, and then the whole site just goes offline and buried permanently?
And whatever happened to the bitcoins and the cash? Afaik millions of dollars were unnaccounted for in cash as well as the missing bitcoins, and it should be easy enough to follow the trails of the dollars, and the bitcoins should be possible to find out about where went as well, both with technical help and investigation by police, questioning the Mtgox bunch, Mark and Gay primarily. Are both of these men still free men, not jailed? I cannot understand that.
So... What amount of papers are needed to file a claim? I did take screenshots of my account - but anyone can fake a screenshot. Will the amounts be checked against MtGox balances, if not, anyone can send in any sort of claim, claiming to holding a large balance with MtGox.
And to my understanding, there was a huge number of account holders at MtGox, and handling every case manually for one or two persons will probably take forever, esp. if there's supposed to be claims and paperwork for every customer as well.
Some automated solution, where a reclaim system is built and all legitimate account holders can log in and create a withdrawal address which will eventually receive a percentage of what can be paid out seems to be the only reasonable way to handle it. I prefer it not being made by Mark (no kidding.
)If everybody is to send an envelope with papers to that lawyer, it's going to become a fucking mountain.
Anyone know anything more?
- What should a claim contain?
- Where should it be sent?
- Any way of contacting the lawyers digitally?
In this time and age, I can't believe such inefficiency exists. It's already established that atleast 200K BTC is recovered, and if the rest cannot be found, it should be quite possible to find out what happened to it.
Why is this not happening, and for christ sake, is the lawyer appointed even knowledgeable enough to handle this particular experts, is he going to hire expensive IT consultants to to the 'claim'-work? How much will eventually be left after all administrative costs have been paid?
What a mess!
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