It doesn't usually make much/any sense to invest bitcoins in stuff anyway, you are almosts always (maybe absolutely always?) better off investing fiat, and even then only usually fiat that for some reason you do not want to invest directly into actual bitcoins per se.
-MarkM-
Topic: Mybitcointrade.com | High Interest 2.5%-5%/w | 20% on Bonds| AAA- |Since 07/2011 - page 3. (Read 21302 times)
September 20, 2012, 07:48:22 AM
September 20, 2012, 07:17:06 AM
Those are the facts: bitcoin will never rise because many scammers and thieft between us. 
And its so easy to get new email address, new forum user, and new "lies"...
If you value your time and your money you'd better have your ass out of this toilet...
wuala
And its so easy to get new email address, new forum user, and new "lies"...
If you value your time and your money you'd better have your ass out of this toilet...
wuala
September 20, 2012, 04:49:17 AM
This isnt true for all their "projects". Read the first post, their so called bankbook was guaranteed. Most of the other projects have buyback guarantees. Of course, at much lower than face value so investors can still expect to lose most of their investment, but they should get back more than zero.
There are several ways to get around these "guarantees". For example, they could simply discontinue them -- the guarantee refers to the price, not the offer. Stock Generation had several similar guarantees, and they managed to get around all but one of them. Even if you think these guarantees are solid, as you point out they still permit them to take most of your money -- 75% simply by ending them. September 20, 2012, 03:31:06 AM
No !
Do you refer to savings - books, when speaking of stockgeneration?
Do you talk about freezers, when you mean canalisation ?
Did you only one time in your live take responsiblity or consequences, when having given wrong advice, because of your limited ability to percieve facts??
Do you refer to savings - books, when speaking of stockgeneration?
Do you talk about freezers, when you mean canalisation ?
Did you only one time in your live take responsiblity or consequences, when having given wrong advice, because of your limited ability to percieve facts??
Who was that aimed at?
September 20, 2012, 03:23:39 AM
No !
Do you refer to savings - books, when speaking of stockgeneration?
Do you talk about freezers, when you mean canalisation ?
Did you only one time in your live take responsiblity or consequences, when having given wrong advice, because of your limited ability to percieve facts??
Do you refer to savings - books, when speaking of stockgeneration?
Do you talk about freezers, when you mean canalisation ?
Did you only one time in your live take responsiblity or consequences, when having given wrong advice, because of your limited ability to percieve facts??
September 20, 2012, 03:18:24 AM
If this thing doesnt work out you can be sure to get sued...
Best of luck suing them. As I've pointed out over and over until I'm blue in the face, they never claimed your investment couldn't become worthless overnight simply because they decided to drop its value to zero. This isnt true for all their "projects". Read the first post, their so called bankbook was guaranteed. Most of the other projects have buyback guarantees. Of course, at much lower than face value so investors can still expect to lose most of their investment, but they should get back more than zero.
September 20, 2012, 02:50:00 AM
If this thing doesnt work out you can be sure to get sued...
Best of luck suing them. As I've pointed out over and over until I'm blue in the face, they never claimed your investment couldn't become worthless overnight simply because they decided to drop its value to zero. This is a Stock Generation style scam where the value of your investment is purely up to their whim. They raise the price arbitrarily to induce you to keep investing and reserve the right to reduce the price to zero any time they choose and keep all your money. This is what they *say* they'll do. And you guys still give them your money. 
September 19, 2012, 07:16:19 AM
I wasnt worried while I thought this biz was in GER / CH hands and running for more than a year. Not even when I read about "delays" in the payment. But now ... how are we not supposed to be worried. An anonymous "Russian" (This is no racism, but Russians have not the best reputation) jumps in after 4 days and "buys" the site. Even if the rest of the story is true, so no ponzi / no payment problems just mtgox limits ... selling your customers to a Russian after 4 days is betrayal on your customer base. If this thing doesnt work out you can be sure to get sued...
Whois mybitcointrade.com
whois paid-4.ch
According to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=11432.0;all
paypal of Rene Engfer [email protected]
Joel Kuderer http://www.lktechnik.ch/impressum
Hotline LKTechnik
Joel Kuderer Twitter: http://twitter.com/LKTechnik
Pictures of Joel Kuderer:
http://s1.directupload.net/images/120919/d9tu6ajn.png
http://s1.directupload.net/images/120919/d52w4kxk.jpg
Joel Kuderer Facebook http://www.facebook.com/joel.kuder
designerscripte.net Rene Engfer, offline now with the same error message:
snippis.de Rene Engfer, offline now with the same error message:
Whois mybitcointrade.com
Code:
ISP: InterNetworX Ltd. & Co. KG
URL: www.inwx.de
domain: mybitcointrade.com
created-date: 2012-07-22
updated-date: 2012-09-17
expiration-date: 2013-09-10
owner-id: 90537
owner-name: Rene Engfer
owner-street: Wakendorferstr 36
owner-city: Preetz
owner-zip: 24211
owner-country: DE
owner-phone: +49.15144549378
owner-email: [email protected]
admin-id: 90537
admin-name: Rene Engfer
admin-street: Wakendorferstr 36
admin-city: Preetz
admin-zip: 24211
admin-country: DE
admin-phone: +49.15144549378
admin-email: [email protected]
tech-id: 66800
tech-name: Joel Kuder
tech-street: Bodenmattstrasse 23
tech-city: Reinach
tech-zip: 4153
tech-country: CH
tech-phone: +41.797302094
tech-email: [email protected]
billing-id: 66800
billing-name: Joel Kuder
billing-street: Bodenmattstrasse 23
billing-city: Reinach
billing-zip: 4153
billing-country: CH
billing-phone: +41.797302094
billing-email: [email protected]
nameserver: ns1.cyon.ch
nameserver: ns2.cyon.ch
whois paid-4.ch
Code:
Domain name:
paid-4.ch
Holder of domain name:
Kuder Joel
Bodenmattstrasse 23
CH-4153 Reinach BL
Switzerland
Contractual Language: German
Technical contact:
Kuder Joel
Bodenmattstrasse 23
CH-4153 Reinach BL
Switzerland
DNSSEC:N
Name servers:
ns1.cyon.ch [194.126.200.5]
ns2.cyon.ch [82.197.166.234]
According to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=11432.0;all
paypal of Rene Engfer [email protected]
Joel Kuderer http://www.lktechnik.ch/impressum
Code:
Postanschrift
Joel Kuder
Bodenmattstrasse 23
4153 Reinach BL CH
Telefon
+41 79 730 20 94
Elektronisch
Mail: [email protected]
Skype: Lokutos.ch
klamm.de: 298414/Lokutos
Hotline LKTechnik
Code:
Hotline
Telefon-Kantakt 079 730 20 94
oder +41 (0)79 730 20 94
Joel Kuderer Twitter: http://twitter.com/LKTechnik
Pictures of Joel Kuderer:
http://s1.directupload.net/images/120919/d9tu6ajn.png
http://s1.directupload.net/images/120919/d52w4kxk.jpg
Joel Kuderer Facebook http://www.facebook.com/joel.kuder
Code:
Arbeit und Ausbildung //Work and education
WMC IT Solutions AG
Network Engineer · November 2011 bis heute · Basilea, Basel-Stadt, Switzerland
LKTechnik
Inhaber und Geschäftsführer · 1. Januar 2010 bis heute · Basilea, Basel-Stadt, Switzerland
CEO
Berufschule
Abschlussklasse 2010 · Dachau
Fiechten
Abschlussklasse 2006 · Basel
Info
Wohnt in Basel
Spricht Deutsch, Englisch
Männlich
2011
Hat begonnen bei WMC IT Solutions AG zu arbeiten
2010
Hat begonnen bei LKTechnik zu arbeiten
Hat einen Hochschulabschluss von Berufschule
2006
Hat einen Hochschulabschluss von Fiechten
designerscripte.net Rene Engfer, offline now with the same error message:
Code:
https://designerscripte.net/index.php?content=/intern/impressum
Impressum von Bitcoin Börse.
Rene Engfer.
Tel:015144549378
Wakendorferstr.36
24211 Preetz, SH
Germany
Betreiber: admin [~at~] mybitcointrade.com
snippis.de Rene Engfer, offline now with the same error message:
Code:
https://snippis.de/index.php?content=/intern/impressum
Impressum von Bitcoin Börse.
Rene Engfer
Holstenweg 13b
24211 Preetz, SH
Germany
Betreiber: admin [~at~] mybitcointrade.com
September 19, 2012, 04:55:45 AM
Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come
sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry
viktor
sry for problems, more infos to come
sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry
viktor
lolz.
As each Ponzi falls, the end-stall gets better and better. Wouldn't shock me if some of these were done by the same guy.
Shout to Puppet +1 on basically everything you said / huge research.
None of them have used the "my wallet was hacked" excuse yet.
September 19, 2012, 04:52:44 AM
Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come
sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry
viktor
sry for problems, more infos to come
sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry
viktor
lolz.
As each Ponzi falls, the end-stall gets better and better. Wouldn't shock me if some of these were done by the same guy.
Shout to Puppet +1 on basically everything you said / huge research.
September 19, 2012, 03:25:10 AM
Wow, didnt take this one long to fold.
September 19, 2012, 02:33:21 AM
Admins pleas check IP. Is it really different region/provider ... Or same person?
September 19, 2012, 01:36:22 AM
Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come
sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry
viktor
Could you please accept my skype invite or give me a email that I can send a email to?sry for problems, more infos to come
sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry
viktor
//DeaDTErra
September 18, 2012, 10:48:13 PM
Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come
sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry
viktor
Do not worry?sry for problems, more infos to come
sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry
viktor
I tried to withdraw several days ago. It got delayed and delayed. And suddenly the site is sold.....
September 18, 2012, 03:37:21 PM
Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come
sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry
viktor
sry for problems, more infos to come
sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry
viktor
September 18, 2012, 04:35:09 AM
LKTechnik should also have the correct address, he was/is the hoster from mybitcointrade.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1198736
./stiftmaster
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1198736
./stiftmaster
September 18, 2012, 02:42:06 AM
If anyone wonders why he suddenly "sold" the site to "viktor nachajew " (someone completely unknown to google and with a blank Skype profile), its rather obvious his ponzi was collapsing and he will try to shift blame for the payouts that arent going to happen to this viktor guy.
I did a little more digging for those that cant read german.
The skypename pretty much proves Ziggy == Opschinken.
Opshinken is also known as Slammed (aka Viper aka Crazy and safe to assume, aka his own widow, Deadly):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.354016
Slammed has a scammer tag.
Contact info from mybitcointrade saved here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1198577
Rene Engfer.
Wakendorferstr. 36
24211 Preetz, SH Germany
Mobil : 015144549378
That contact info may of course be completely fictitious (though AFAIK, under German law that by itself would be illegal). If so, to find his actual address, Xer0 might have it, though its a long time ago, he sent him a PCIe cable:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.322447
I did a little more digging for those that cant read german.
The skypename pretty much proves Ziggy == Opschinken.
Opshinken is also known as Slammed (aka Viper aka Crazy and safe to assume, aka his own widow, Deadly):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.354016
Slammed has a scammer tag.
Contact info from mybitcointrade saved here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1198577
Rene Engfer.
Wakendorferstr. 36
24211 Preetz, SH Germany
Mobil : 015144549378
That contact info may of course be completely fictitious (though AFAIK, under German law that by itself would be illegal). If so, to find his actual address, Xer0 might have it, though its a long time ago, he sent him a PCIe cable:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.322447
September 17, 2012, 05:47:28 PM
your "translation" of the german board is right 
Thanks for confirming!
September 17, 2012, 05:32:04 PM
your "translation" of the german board is right
September 17, 2012, 05:30:17 PM
Saw some interesting stuff in the german forum. My german isnt quite up to snuff, so someone correct me if Im wrong, but if you look in this post:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-bank-book-93-interest-120-interest-special-bond-78684
You will see ziggy uses/used "toteviper" as Skypename. The same skypename also appears in this old thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37782.0;all
Where someone claims to be scammed by "OPSCHINKEN/stammed/Viper/Skype:Toteviper" over a videocard.
It gets better; If I understood correctly, later the alleged wife of OPSCHINKEN (ie, Ziggy) comes to the forum posting with the name "Deadly":
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.465942
Claiming her husband, ie Ziggy :drumroll:
died.
Yep, and his wife registered the next day with the name "deadly". Sounds legit. So Ziggy is dead. He died last year
.
Good luck to everyone who invested in this scam. Your coins should be safe, Patrick triple A rated it.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-bank-book-93-interest-120-interest-special-bond-78684
You will see ziggy uses/used "toteviper" as Skypename. The same skypename also appears in this old thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37782.0;all
Where someone claims to be scammed by "OPSCHINKEN/stammed/Viper/Skype:Toteviper" over a videocard.
It gets better; If I understood correctly, later the alleged wife of OPSCHINKEN (ie, Ziggy) comes to the forum posting with the name "Deadly":
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.465942
Claiming her husband, ie Ziggy :drumroll:
died.
Yep, and his wife registered the next day with the name "deadly". Sounds legit. So Ziggy is dead. He died last year
. Good luck to everyone who invested in this scam. Your coins should be safe, Patrick triple A rated it.
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