Topic: Mybitcointrade.com | High Interest 2.5%-5%/w | 20% on Bonds| AAA- |Since 07/2011 - page 8. (Read 21274 times)

Except several people are asking that, including me.

I don't. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you haven't committed to doing that. With legitimate investments, the investors know what they're investing in so they can assess the risks and assure themselves that both profits and losses are legitimate.

It's too late at that point. If you say, "Sorry, I lost all your money. I said it was high risk. I went to Vegas and put it all on black. Here's proof I did that," what can an investor do? Of course if they knew you were going to do that, they never would have invested.

Except the explanation is totally implausible and totally unverifiable. Every Ponzi scheme has an explanation of how they are going to make money. They're often implausible and always unverifiable.

To date, every single HYIP has proven to be a scam. And I do not believe an honest person would pitch a legitimate scheme in such a way that only a person who would fall for a HYIP scheme would invest in it.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that your scheme is totally legitimate and you really do have some incredibly way to make money that you must keep secret for it to work. Of course, there is no way anyone can verify this. So anyone who would invest in your scheme would also invest in an identically pitched scheme that was a Ponzi scheme. And since every HYIP to date has proven to be a scam, the odds that yours is a scam, as estimated by a reasonable investor, have to be somewhere around 99.99%. It is a pretty incredibly stupid thing to invest in a Ponzi scheme -- we all know that the average such investor must lose money. So you are intentionally pitching an investment that you know only an idiot would invest in. Personally, I can think of only one reason you would do that.

For sure as long there are only wins, no-one will really ask where the money comes from.

How do you know we won't give an explanation in the case of lose?
As soon there will be loses, we will give an explanation why and what happened. Not at least for not losing our members. We're are here for communication and since the beginning we're behind our customers, that's the way we stay on.

We gave an explanation how we earn money, not sure if a (more?) legitimate investment is doing more?
See the last announcement post to see the different points where the coins are invested in for our projects.

Regards
Simon

It's an *obvious* scam. If for no other reason, because there is absolutely no way to verify if a claimed loss is due to any actual investment loss or not. That one factor alone is enough to label an investment a scam.

There is no legitimate investment where you go to the guy you invested with and he can say, "Oh, I'm sorry, your investment lost money", and that's all he tells you. In *every* legitimate investment, when a loss it taken, the investor has some kind of explanation of how the loss was incurred, evidence that the funds were actually invested in something that had a legitimate expectation of earning a profit, and so on.

Translation:

Nearly anybody can be found on that list.

As soon Micon reached 20 posts, he did nothing else but calling everyone a scammer.
I already talked with him via PN.
In his oppinion mybitcointrade is a scam. Even if in the whole running time (over 1 year), never anyone had to wait for his btc.

greets
smart

Thanks for the advise, we already had some talking about this.
Even in this thread (scroll up a bit) we had talking about this reproaches.

Currently we're trying to encouter them with more clarity of our investments, but it's not easy to convince someone from something he/she 'figured out' by him/herself.
Anyways we're not in need to convince them, if they have fun spreading gossip and rumor, they should feel free to post it. We can't stop it but we can relay on many satisfied users over the time, so we'll go on no matter what they post/say.
Of course it would be great not to read such threads about our buisness, but that seems to part of it...

We encourage any user who has any (positive and negative) experience with our services to post them here. This way we can probably encouter this reproaches a bit, as long we keep looking for a solution.

Regards
Simon

auf dieser liste steht so wirklich jeder....

micon hat sich im forum angemeldet und ab dem 20sten post hat er nichts anderes gemacht als betreiber als scammer zu betiteln.
Ich habe mich bereits mit ihm per pm unterhalten.
Er ist der meinung mybitcointrade.com ist betrug. auch wenn in nun über einem jahr noch nie jemand auf seine Btc warten musste.

gruss smart

bin gerade auf dieses thema gestoßen
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bryan-micons-list-of-btc-ponzi-schemes-that-should-not-be-listed-as-lending-94900

ihr steht da auf platz 2!!! vllt solltet ihr euch darum kümmern dass ihr von dieser liste entfernt werdet. is ja schwachsinn!

To ensure greater clarity, up from now IPOs/shares and fonds are explicit single listed.

To ensure more security, withdrawals now can take up to 60 minutes, we hope you feel comfortable with that.

Besides this we're very interested in new IPOs, so everyone who's running a website, feel free to contact us.

Regards
Simon

Glad to hear that there is interest, hope that there will be some more, so we can offer you a new feature.

Regards
Simon

I am definitely very interested in this!

Your quoted notice is over one year old. Since the text was created there has been many changes on the webpage, but the text didn't change with this updates.
If you have any negative experiences, feel free to report in, but please stop spreading gossip in our thread.

Regards
Simon

It's for educational purposes, you see. This character gets to "learn the programming language PHP" (at the expense of "investors") and "investors" get to learn about fraud in a "hands-on manner."

Update*

problem with the logout button is fixed.


best regards
smart

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News*

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We want to start a poll, if there is any interest to trade noble metals (gold, silver, platinum, copper, etc.) for real exchange rates on mybitcointrade.com.
Besides this we're always interested in feedback relating the changes on our website.

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Bankbook

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Up from now it's possible to withdraw the running bankbooks for a fee.

It's possible to invest 5.500,00 Bitcoin at all.

Currently it's possible to invest a remaining amount of 385,05 Bitcoin.

30   days at   10.00 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month
60   days at   10.83 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month
90   days at   11.82 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month
180   days at   13.02 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month
360   days at   18.46 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month
14   days at   3.90 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month

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IPOs

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BitcoinPara.de
We're happy to tell you, that 1100 shares were sold in the first 2 active days of this investment. The expected dividend on this share is at ca. 200 Bitcoin for the whole volume of shares.
https://www.mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=12

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Regards
Simon

Regards
Simon

For all worried users, we absolutely guarantee, that when pirate will go down, it won't affect any investments on our page.

Regards
Simon

its in under german laws non comercial...  we must write this.


we know this problem and have it on our to do list.
sorry for waiting time.

best regards,
smart

I just discovered that I had been logged in all the time for past month because the Logout link on the English page doesn't work. I would suggest removing the link or at least providing a message that says it doesn't work, so users don't think they're logged out (which is quite normal to think when one has clicked a "Logout" link and the new page has loaded). Thankfully it was on my personal PC, but it could have been on a public computer somewhere.

Personally, I'd classify this as an urgent issue.

Wouldn't simply changing the Logout link on the English page to point to https://www.mybitcointrade.com/?content=/intern/startseite&logout=true fix the issue?

How is this site and associated loans "non-commercial" in any way?

ty for your feedback otoh, good profit for bouth sides.


 i got some qestions about our saving books and pirate. the answer i can give is.

all saving books are 100 % save, no problems with payouts or something.

but until next week we lower the rates of our saving books a bit.

have a nice day


best regards
smart