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legendary
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September 08, 2015, 12:27:37 PM
First, before the reduction of the block reward, there was 7,6 Ghs hashrate dedicated for this coin. Then came the 250k block and you were soo blind to not see what will happen if you reduce the block reward but artifically push down the price not to let it grow to balance this change out!
Why do you think pressure on the price was so high? Because of high volume being dumped by multipools, before the change. Almost no dedeicated miners.
Now >75% of the miners is dedicated!! Almost no dumping from multipools now, you should be glad about that!

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Again, NLG price should be 10 times more, around 3000 satoshi ATM to be a healthy coin!
I agree, price should be much higher for what it is showing. No doubt it won't take very long before higher values will be there. Just now there are some people who joined recently who dumped their coins again, because they wanted a short term profit.

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Just look at the hashrate now it is 1,6 Ghs! In a POW system, mining is securing the blockchain. If your miners will leave you because of the low price and low block reward, then you will not have any transactions going through, you could not use your coin!
Be sure, this is being watched and blockchain has never been so good as it is now. POS is a possibility that has been discussed and probably will be introduced in an unique way for Guldencoin later on. First the basics have been done.

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You should had to let the price rise even if there would be a small disturbance for a few days!
You suggest price is kept low. I think it is jumpers who where looking for quick gains that left again.

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If you want to get back your miners to secure the network then you have to find a way to higher the price somehow!
Dedicated miners are finally back, they were not there before the change.

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..yes, I invested in NLG, I still have my coins and I am worried about my investment and I do not want to loose it because of some stupid mistake and ignorance you made, and make now!
I also invested and am not worried as you are.
member
Activity: 84
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September 08, 2015, 12:24:08 PM
I am here, again. Just call me a troll, who cares? Almost a week passed and if you are not totally blind, you can see the result of your "community" action!

First, before the reduction of the block reward, there was 7,6 Ghs hashrate dedicated for this coin. Then came the 250k block and you were soo blind to not see what will happen if you reduce the block reward but artifically push down the price not to let it grow to balance this change out!

Again, NLG price should be 10 times more, around 3000 satoshi ATM to be a healthy coin!

Just look at the hashrate now it is 1,6 Ghs! In a POW system, mining is securing the blockchain. If your miners will leave you because of the low price and low block reward, then you will not have any transactions going through, you could not use your coin!

Even if you manage to get 100 Mhs of scrypt hashing power that is not enough for anything!

And there you are sitting, laughing and ordering pizzas, as everything is all right! NO, wake up! There is serious problem with this coin and this is because of some irresponsible people who think they are doing good with keeping the price down!

You should had to let the price rise even if there would be a small disturbance for a few days!

You should stop beeing in the high horses and start thinking on a solution or within a few weeks the hashrate will reach 500-300 mhs, because that is a healthy balance for this low block reward and low price.

If you want to get back your miners to secure the network then you have to find a way to higher the price somehow!

P.S.: You can post the usual "trolls are here so we are doing good" nonsenses, but you should better look around, listen to and check what I am saying because everything I said is true.

P.S.2: Before you start the other boring "sell your NLG, you have your profit...Bla...bla", yes, I invested in NLG, I still have my coins and I am worried about my investment and I do not want to loose it because of some stupid mistake and ignorance you made, and make now!


1.Why would I want multipool miners that do not care about NLG and just want to dump NLG for BTC?
   I want dedicated NLG miners.
2.I do not want NLG to be a PnD coin but a stable trustworthy coin, if that means the price is low, well that is fine by me.
3.That is the big difference between you and me, I see NLG as a pure Dutch Cryptocurrency at it's best not just an investment to cash out for BTC or Euro's.
4.I like pictures of pizza's
5.To be honest I like your post trolls, you should do that once a week just to make me smile.  Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 303
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GoldReserve! Your Retirement Fund!
September 08, 2015, 12:09:45 PM
I am here, again. Just call me a troll, who cares? Almost a week passed and if you are not totally blind, you can see the result of your "community" action!

First, before the reduction of the block reward, there was 7,6 Ghs hashrate dedicated for this coin. Then came the 250k block and you were soo blind to not see what will happen if you reduce the block reward but artifically push down the price not to let it grow to balance this change out!

Again, NLG price should be 10 times more, around 3000 satoshi ATM to be a healthy coin!

Just look at the hashrate now it is 1,6 Ghs! In a POW system, mining is securing the blockchain. If your miners will leave you because of the low price and low block reward, then you will not have any transactions going through, you could not use your coin!

Even if you manage to get 100 Mhs of scrypt hashing power that is not enough for anything!

And there you are sitting, laughing and ordering pizzas, as everything is all right! NO, wake up! There is serious problem with this coin and this is because of some irresponsible people who think they are doing good with keeping the price down!

You should had to let the price rise even if there would be a small disturbance for a few days!

You should stop beeing in the high horses and start thinking on a solution or within a few weeks the hashrate will reach 500-300 mhs, because that is a healthy balance for this low block reward and low price.

If you want to get back your miners to secure the network then you have to find a way to higher the price somehow!

P.S.: You can post the usual "trolls are here so we are doing good" nonsenses, but you should better look around, listen to and check what I am saying because everything I said is true.

P.S.2: Before you start the other boring "sell your NLG, you have your profit...Bla...bla", yes, I invested in NLG, I still have my coins and I am worried about my investment and I do not want to loose it because of some stupid mistake and ignorance you made, and make now!
legendary
Activity: 1025
Merit: 1000
ltex.nl
September 08, 2015, 11:51:35 AM
A normal pizza this time  Smiley Easy payment with Nocks and Guldencoin on takeaway.com!







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How i've done that?

1) Install:
Add-on for Mozilla Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/nocks-nimble/ or
Add-on for Google Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nocks-nimble/kpgdkkdpfcgpfkooaejaogabppdmpple


2) Know how to order easy: See the second part of the video:




Smakelijk Veertje! You forgot the important part though, your NLG address  Wink
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
September 08, 2015, 11:17:48 AM
A normal pizza this time  Smiley Easy payment with Nocks and Guldencoin on takeaway.com!







----------------------------------------------------------

How i've done that?

1) Install:
Add-on for Mozilla Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/nocks-nimble/ or
Add-on for Google Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nocks-nimble/kpgdkkdpfcgpfkooaejaogabppdmpple


2) Know how to order easy: See the second part of the video:


legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1000
September 08, 2015, 08:48:26 AM
Hello everybody,

I believe this message will get deleted, because it is a closed, self moderated, central thread, but maybe some of you remember this other Dutch alt that was created, a couple of days before NLG went out into the world.

Our name is EFL or eGulden and the dynamics between the 2 coins has been quite interesting. Today our blockreward halved and this was quite an event, almost 16 bitcoins worth of trading has occurred in the last 24 hours and at current prices this means 1% of our protocol changed hands. You might think we do not have a lot going on for our coin, but the truth isis that the biggest service providers of the Netherlands are supporting both coins, the only difference is that NLG let´s this community know about their progress, but NLG is doing a great job for us, while we are catching inflation. I am fully aware of the plans to stretch NLG for over 100 years and I wish everybody good luck on the development on this coin, just know that your dedication could make a difference for us.

I do not want to make too much of a commercial about it for us, because that is the job of the marketing team of NLG, they really do a great job in showing you pictures of what you can buy with their coin, for EFL it is more about education, so people understand what they are being payed and paying with. We believe everything can be bought for crypto, as long as the one willing to pay understands what he is doing.

That all say´d, good luck on your coin with over 500 pages of comments, just don´t believe all the fuzz that your well known NLG contact is spreading about us.


Cheers,


Mr. Liberland.org

Haha, wat ben je toch een mallerd Niels  Grin Iets teveel van die chilisaus gegeten  Huh

dus dat! kap er eens mee
hero member
Activity: 637
Merit: 500
September 08, 2015, 07:26:34 AM
Keep fighting the good fight guldencoin community! You represent what crypto was meant to be about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlTJrNJ5lA
sr. member
Activity: 332
Merit: 250
September 08, 2015, 05:41:02 AM
What about China ?


Electricity location IS in China  Wink


What about China ?

About $0,15 per kWh is what I could find, not sure if that's true.


It's more like 0.07 ~ 0.11 per kWh, depending on the region.



Your electricity bill will be higher, here its 0.23 euro cent 1 Kilowatt.


No, it will not. 0.07 ~ 0.11 per kWh in China and ~0.24 in The Netherlands are average prices.

Besides the mistype earlier, the numbers given are displayed correct.
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
September 08, 2015, 04:36:51 AM
Three letters that will make a huge difference in the future; P O S  Wink

Mining is a pleasure at the moment.  Mining with only 20MH/s and it seems like POS in my wallet  Grin Staking already.  Cheesy

But serious, this will maybe a part later on.
legendary
Activity: 1025
Merit: 1000
ltex.nl
September 08, 2015, 04:29:50 AM
Three letters that will make a huge difference in the future; P O S  Wink

Not N L G Huh
legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
September 08, 2015, 03:57:12 AM
Hey All,

I would just like to point out this isn't a self moderated or closed thread, all comments are welcome! Positive, negative, constructive etc etc.
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
September 08, 2015, 03:44:16 AM
Bitcoin on the way up last week and still rising today. That means also we can buy more with our Guldencoin in the stores.  Smiley

Seems 350-370 sat is the steady price atm for Guldencoin. Waiting for a steady uptrend again soon, i think.
legendary
Activity: 1025
Merit: 1000
ltex.nl
September 08, 2015, 03:40:23 AM
Hello everybody,

I believe this message will get deleted, because it is a closed, self moderated, central thread, but maybe some of you remember this other Dutch alt that was created, a couple of days before NLG went out into the world.

Our name is EFL or eGulden and the dynamics between the 2 coins has been quite interesting. Today our blockreward halved and this was quite an event, almost 16 bitcoins worth of trading has occurred in the last 24 hours and at current prices this means 1% of our protocol changed hands. You might think we do not have a lot going on for our coin, but the truth isis that the biggest service providers of the Netherlands are supporting both coins, the only difference is that NLG let´s this community know about their progress, but NLG is doing a great job for us, while we are catching inflation. I am fully aware of the plans to stretch NLG for over 100 years and I wish everybody good luck on the development on this coin, just know that your dedication could make a difference for us.

I do not want to make too much of a commercial about it for us, because that is the job of the marketing team of NLG, they really do a great job in showing you pictures of what you can buy with their coin, for EFL it is more about education, so people understand what they are being payed and paying with. We believe everything can be bought for crypto, as long as the one willing to pay understands what he is doing.

That all say´d, good luck on your coin with over 500 pages of comments, just don´t believe all the fuzz that your well known NLG contact is spreading about us.


Cheers,


Mr. Liberland.org

Haha, wat ben je toch een mallerd Niels  Grin Iets teveel van die chilisaus gegeten  Huh
hero member
Activity: 638
Merit: 500
September 08, 2015, 01:08:36 AM
What about China ?

About $0,15 per kWh is what I could find, not sure if that's true.

If this list is accurate it's more dan 50% less then in the Netherlands. But maybe it depends by region in China too?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing

Someone has family in Kuwait? I think I go live over there and mine the heck out of Guldencoin ;-)
hero member
Activity: 638
Merit: 500
September 08, 2015, 01:07:05 AM
What about China ?

About $0,15 per kWh is what I could find, not sure if that's true.

If this list is accurate it's more dan 50% less then in the Netherlands. But maybe it depends by region in China too?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1000
September 08, 2015, 01:05:53 AM
What about China ?

About $0,15 per kWh is what I could find, not sure if that's true.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
September 07, 2015, 11:13:27 PM
What about China ?
legendary
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September 07, 2015, 08:19:10 PM
Forget about "perpetuum mobile's", magnetic engines is what is hot  Grin

But seriously, numbers are similar to some degree, yet with a huge detail overlooked by many thus far.

Around 4 TH/s, as proposed, yields around 0.04 BTC daily.
Yet, as this part seems overlooked quite frueqently, the SHA256 part includes electricity, maintenance, replacements, etc.

Meaning, 4 TH/s yielding around 0.04 BTC daily, this yielding is a net yielding. Give or take a few on luck and diminishing of performance due time, one could state average yielding would closely be more like 0.035 ~ 0.03 on overall.



These are my statistics:
Since I had notified (https://community.guldencoin.com/t/community-mining-ipo-switching-gears-session/1150/13), I have been testing what I notified. Which, sinds then, is nearly over a month.
On average, I have been testing with 2 TH/s. Over a time period of nearly a full month, this averaged around ~0.018 daily net profits with luck hovering around 95 ~ 96% on overal during that month.



Regarding empowering the SHA256 part towards the Scrypt part, there are quite some variances depending on networks chosen, either be them public or private.
You gave MRR as an example, averaging 0.022 per 100 MH/s. Nicehash could go for 0.018 whilst betarigs could go for 0.03, and private networks vary hugely between them (Netherlands for example is pricey as hell, versus Venezuela being a mere paradise).

Regarding the 'left overs' from the surplus generated by the SHA256 part, they will be used to put back into the system. I.e, will be used to expand the system to keep up with votality on hashrates and difficulty, in order to keep the Scrypt hash running.


I have a magnetic engine in my boat, so I know what you mean  Wink

So If I get it right you have a nett profit (including energy, maintenance and write-off) of 0.04 btc / day? That would be 1.2BTC / month.
If by some miracle you manage to buy your SHA256 equipment for half my price, thus 4BTC, you still need to add (4 : 36) = 0.11BTC in write-off making the total gross profit 1.31 / month. Then we have to add electricity, say 0.3 BTC / month totaling to a gross profit of 1.61 BTC / month on 4Th. That's an average profit of 0.4 BTC per TH / month.

Would you mind telling me which pool you use?  Grin

Nicehash for 0.018 sounds nice indeed, but my experience with them is that the low contracts somehow never become available, resulting in higher mining cost all the time. MRR is by far the most reliable and stable regarding price and profit.

You're partially right.

Minor detail: I am netting on average ~0.019 btc/day, if luck being set to 100%. This is with 2 TH/s, not 4  Wink

But yes, around 4 TH/s would roughly yield 1.2 btc/month.



Right, the electricity cost can make the difference here.
On the other side something isn't mentioned yet:
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
You have to expect a decreasing btc income over time.
"Estimated Next Difficulty:    59,756,916,129 (+4.91%)" means ~5% less btc and those diff changes happen how often a year?
Summarize that over a year to see how much hashrate you have to steady add to keep the btc income stable.
At the end it all depends on how cheap the electricity costs are and how fast you have to get additional equipment for the same amount of btc.

only my 2 sat

I did mention difficulty, and that this too is taken into account. Which, I will try to explain further to.



@George, for clarity, can you provide a detailed and descent overview of your exact calculations. This for sure will help things to move in the right way. Since we by now all know what the basic plan is, you might as well give us the exact calculations on which you base your theory?

{snip}



- Hardware setup of roughly 4 TH/s = 6 BTC
- The other 1.5 BTC is reserved for the fail-safe part.

- 4 TH/s yields ~ 1.2 btc/month
- Electricity consumed ~ 0.4 btc/month
- Scrypt puchasing ~ 0.6 btc/month
Average nett profit ~ 0.2 btc.

I deliberately did not take the write-off into account.
You gave an example of replacement in a time span of 36 months, which is reasonable. There's a chance equipment lasts longer, yet chances are equal they last shorter. I took that into my calculations as well, and that's where the fail-safe part comes in...
The fail-safe is purely reserved, just for the sake equipment should fail (long?) before their time due, which simply IS possible.

Remember, that this is for the initial setup only, which I had in mind to be part of a bigger whole (the expanding afterwards).

But it all begins, stands or falls with the base. Which, I would want to deliver properly with the 100 MH/s as stated, and not half-way it would be turning out to be 75 MH/s because of some damn rig broke earlier than they should.


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So for the sake of overview, let's work with numbers only, and stripping away the rest:

- 7.5 BTC can buy roughly 5 TH/s of power.

- 5 TH/s yields ~ 1.5 btc/month
- Electricity consumed ~ 0.5 btc/month
- Scrypt puchasing ~ 0.6 btc/month
- Replacement costs, 36 months average, ~ 0.21 btc/month
Average nett profit ~ 0.19 btc/month

The profit, is something of a mandatory; it would not only cover fluctuations in for example electricity or scrypt rising prices, but mainly would be used to put back into the system (expanding power) to keep up with the difficulty, to ensure the continuation of Scrypt puchasing...


EDIT:
Adjusted a sweet little mistype

Your electricity bill will be higher, here its 0.23 euro cent 1 Kilowatt.

member
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e-Gulden \/igilante
September 07, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
Hello everybody,

I believe this message will get deleted, because it is a closed, self moderated, central thread, but maybe some of you remember this other Dutch alt that was created, a couple of days before NLG went out into the world.

Our name is EFL or eGulden and the dynamics between the 2 coins has been quite interesting. Today our blockreward halved and this was quite an event, almost 16 bitcoins worth of trading has occurred in the last 24 hours and at current prices this means 1% of our protocol changed hands. You might think we do not have a lot going on for our coin, but the truth isis that the biggest service providers of the Netherlands are supporting both coins, the only difference is that NLG let´s this community know about their progress, but NLG is doing a great job for us, while we are catching inflation. I am fully aware of the plans to stretch NLG for over 100 years and I wish everybody good luck on the development on this coin, just know that your dedication could make a difference for us.

I do not want to make too much of a commercial about it for us, because that is the job of the marketing team of NLG, they really do a great job in showing you pictures of what you can buy with their coin, for EFL it is more about education, so people understand what they are being payed and paying with. We believe everything can be bought for crypto, as long as the one willing to pay understands what he is doing.

That all say´d, good luck on your coin with over 500 pages of comments, just don´t believe all the fuzz that your well known NLG contact is spreading about us.


Cheers,


Mr. Liberland.org
sr. member
Activity: 332
Merit: 250
September 07, 2015, 07:34:28 PM

So for the sake of overview, let's work with numbers only, and stripping away the rest:

- 7.5 BTC can buy roughly 5 TH/s of power.

- 5 TH/s yields ~ 1.5 btc/month
- Electricity consumed ~ 0.5 btc/month
- Scrypt puchasing ~ 0.6 btc/month
- Replacement costs, 36 months average, ~ 0.21 btc/month
Average nett profit ~ 0.29 btc/month

The profit, is something of a mandatory; it would not only cover fluctuations in for example electricity or scrypt rising prices, but mainly would be used to put back into the system (expanding power) to keep up with the difficulty, to ensure the continuation of Scrypt puchasing...

Nett profit is 0,19 btc instead of 0,29 btc in the example above Wink But, still a profit here. You have noted a bit more yield from the hashing then LTEX had in his calculations, but more noted for the electricity. So, in practice it can be narrow, but in theory it seems possible.  Cool

Project is (maybe temporary) on hold now, i see, but very brave you came up with this! Respect!!


Darnit... Sweet little mistype, thanks for pointing out  Roll Eyes Wink
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