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Quote from: ny2cafuse on November 13, 2014, 12:53:20 PM

Quote from: Furio on November 13, 2014, 12:44:44 PM

Quote from: Digithusiast on November 13, 2014, 12:23:06 PM

An idea for the solution of the current Guldencoin algorithm problem:

-leave it like it is
-premine all remaining-to-be-mined NLG coins
-launch a gigantic Christmas-Guldencoin-promotion and distribute the premined NLG coins for free among the broadest part possible of the Dutch population

After that, Guldencoin will advance in an unparalleled way.

Great idea! But come up with ideas of distributing fairly Grin

I'm pretty sure the Criptoe team would insta-sell their millions at that point.

Some people get behind coins like NLG because they like the dynamics from the start. Complete changes like cpu mining, POS, or total mine out and distribution, aren't what some of us signed up for. Difficulty algorithm aside, the coin is good the way it is. Let it ride out to it's destiny.

-Fuse

If the same amount in time and energy would be spend by the team and community on a fair distribution method, as is being spent on the new algorithm, the fair distribution would surely become a big success.

@ny2cafeuse
What are you implying? Should the community be scared when you say "you and your gang would insta-sell millions" because it "is not what you signed up for"?
What kind of arguments are that?

Really, I think most of the community couldn't care less and would happily buy your NLG at dump prices, especially if they are Dutch and could ,-unlike you-, spend those NLG in daily life.

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Quote from: ny2cafuse on November 13, 2014, 12:43:50 PM

Quote from: BioMike on November 13, 2014, 02:47:03 AM

Dedicated miners (on criptoe and guldenpool) deserve a bit extra:

Code:

# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GceCqp5eLQ5jKPhBQe1E3g9qFN46sCSizo 10000.0
5d07d37cff6c94ea04c2c13bdff8b80ab1727463e010e32b2ad6235945e15259
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GZXckkrHVUbHdKtnD5u8Yz2yhB7x6Jtrks 10000.0
5837cf5a806d24ed3d599147c360f2b01eb97da6712839fbeb240da994ec4e3c
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress Gd3KgQVKnSzAMLKw4Av7KyN4DjZSk6Zu1L 10000.0
443bd67f3790089308cda0226a1d2dadefbecd428ca96aa11c01d6f9f75abe57
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GKF3aqPbWYfCsVfg9Fb5EcRd5R4Aivcsd2 10000.0
04f5c4b510839ca3b7fdb2f5da00cad24d3bc866fb59a4bb0e75ed5be88c98c6
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GcC5eVErzMZr72CSc5pVJdbaTXUBhZCKQc 1000.0
dbebb8cf85d284267cde70159289251c70405458512e4c7c4a4257ccfb8fe16a
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GTumSsfv6dKUurP3va3adzWszRiUzJ6zkn 10000.0
4d73d78adaf4391a643639593e1af8da67ee5c58dfbfa66478873c69bc33ced4
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GP9pWRxr4AzLAmLmR6FstxEbxYAVkPL5o4 1000.0
555dbe5051b9c4729dfbeb41d0c51d6285ee8301d4d4927de88b06dd86c31dc8

I'm surprised this is flying under the radar. Biomike, you are a scholar and a gentleman. I am not on that list, but I would like to thank you for your generosity to dedicated miners like yourself.

-Fuse

I missed this post, I did however receive 10,000 NLG from you (just checked it as I saw my wallet address in there

). Thank you very much brobeans. Much appreciated.

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Quote from: LTEX on November 13, 2014, 11:55:00 AM

Quote from: bram_vnl on November 13, 2014, 11:45:12 AM

Quote from: LTEX on November 13, 2014, 10:57:51 AM

Quote from: bram_vnl on November 13, 2014, 04:02:36 AM

I love the guldencoin community someone sends me 50k Cool

40K missing, and then I have everything back

guldencoin is the best coin ever!

Great stuff! And just because I am so very happy this community has proven once more to be a caring one, I just donated the last bit!
Welcome back Bram!

Thanks for the donations!!! i have my coins back i'm so happy

Now take good care of them my friend!
Don't be the inspiration of "Dumb and Bumber 3" Grin

hahaha lol, i now that number 3 is on the way, about 30 minutes i go to the cinema

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Quote from: Furio on November 13, 2014, 12:44:44 PM

Quote from: Digithusiast on November 13, 2014, 12:23:06 PM

An idea for the solution of the current Guldencoin algorithm problem:

-leave it like it is
-premine all remaining-to-be-mined NLG coins
-launch a gigantic Christmas-Guldencoin-promotion and distribute the premined NLG coins for free among the broadest part possible of the Dutch population

After that, Guldencoin will advance in an unparalleled way.

Great idea! But come up with ideas of distributing fairly Grin

I'm pretty sure the Criptoe team would insta-sell their millions at that point.

Some people get behind coins like NLG because they like the dynamics from the start. Complete changes like cpu mining, POS, or total mine out and distribution, aren't what some of us signed up for. Difficulty algorithm aside, the coin is good the way it is. Let it ride out to it's destiny.

-Fuse

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Quote from: Digithusiast on November 13, 2014, 12:23:06 PM

An idea for the solution of the current Guldencoin algorithm problem:

-leave it like it is
-premine all remaining-to-be-mined NLG coins
-launch a gigantic Christmas-Guldencoin-promotion and distribute the premined NLG coins for free among the broadest part possible of the Dutch population

After that, Guldencoin will advance in an unparalleled way.

Great idea! But come up with ideas of distributing fairly Grin

ny2cafuse

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Quote from: BioMike on November 13, 2014, 02:47:03 AM

Dedicated miners (on criptoe and guldenpool) deserve a bit extra:

Code:

# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GceCqp5eLQ5jKPhBQe1E3g9qFN46sCSizo 10000.0
5d07d37cff6c94ea04c2c13bdff8b80ab1727463e010e32b2ad6235945e15259
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GZXckkrHVUbHdKtnD5u8Yz2yhB7x6Jtrks 10000.0
5837cf5a806d24ed3d599147c360f2b01eb97da6712839fbeb240da994ec4e3c
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress Gd3KgQVKnSzAMLKw4Av7KyN4DjZSk6Zu1L 10000.0
443bd67f3790089308cda0226a1d2dadefbecd428ca96aa11c01d6f9f75abe57
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GKF3aqPbWYfCsVfg9Fb5EcRd5R4Aivcsd2 10000.0
04f5c4b510839ca3b7fdb2f5da00cad24d3bc866fb59a4bb0e75ed5be88c98c6
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GcC5eVErzMZr72CSc5pVJdbaTXUBhZCKQc 1000.0
dbebb8cf85d284267cde70159289251c70405458512e4c7c4a4257ccfb8fe16a
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GTumSsfv6dKUurP3va3adzWszRiUzJ6zkn 10000.0
4d73d78adaf4391a643639593e1af8da67ee5c58dfbfa66478873c69bc33ced4
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GP9pWRxr4AzLAmLmR6FstxEbxYAVkPL5o4 1000.0
555dbe5051b9c4729dfbeb41d0c51d6285ee8301d4d4927de88b06dd86c31dc8

I'm surprised this is flying under the radar. Biomike, you are a scholar and a gentleman. I am not on that list, but I would like to thank you for your generosity to dedicated miners like yourself.

-Fuse

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An idea for the solution of the current Guldencoin algorithm problem:

-leave it like it is
-premine all remaining-to-be-mined NLG coins
-launch a gigantic Christmas-Guldencoin-promotion and distribute the premined NLG coins for free among the broadest part possible of the Dutch population

After that, Guldencoin will advance in an unparalleled way.

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Quote from: BioMike on November 13, 2014, 02:47:03 AM

Dedicated miners (on criptoe and guldenpool) deserve a bit extra:

Code:

# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GceCqp5eLQ5jKPhBQe1E3g9qFN46sCSizo 10000.0
5d07d37cff6c94ea04c2c13bdff8b80ab1727463e010e32b2ad6235945e15259
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GZXckkrHVUbHdKtnD5u8Yz2yhB7x6Jtrks 10000.0
5837cf5a806d24ed3d599147c360f2b01eb97da6712839fbeb240da994ec4e3c
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress Gd3KgQVKnSzAMLKw4Av7KyN4DjZSk6Zu1L 10000.0
443bd67f3790089308cda0226a1d2dadefbecd428ca96aa11c01d6f9f75abe57
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GKF3aqPbWYfCsVfg9Fb5EcRd5R4Aivcsd2 10000.0
04f5c4b510839ca3b7fdb2f5da00cad24d3bc866fb59a4bb0e75ed5be88c98c6
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GcC5eVErzMZr72CSc5pVJdbaTXUBhZCKQc 1000.0
dbebb8cf85d284267cde70159289251c70405458512e4c7c4a4257ccfb8fe16a
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GTumSsfv6dKUurP3va3adzWszRiUzJ6zkn 10000.0
4d73d78adaf4391a643639593e1af8da67ee5c58dfbfa66478873c69bc33ced4
# /usr/local/bin/guldencoind sendtoaddress GP9pWRxr4AzLAmLmR6FstxEbxYAVkPL5o4 1000.0
555dbe5051b9c4729dfbeb41d0c51d6285ee8301d4d4927de88b06dd86c31dc8

Thanx so much!

LTEX

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Quote from: bram_vnl on November 13, 2014, 11:45:12 AM

Quote from: LTEX on November 13, 2014, 10:57:51 AM

Quote from: bram_vnl on November 13, 2014, 04:02:36 AM

I love the guldencoin community someone sends me 50k Cool

40K missing, and then I have everything back

guldencoin is the best coin ever!

Great stuff! And just because I am so very happy this community has proven once more to be a caring one, I just donated the last bit!
Welcome back Bram!

Thanks for the donations!!! i have my coins back i'm so happy

Now take good care of them my friend!
Don't be the inspiration of "Dumb and Bumber 3" Grin

LTEX

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Quote from: ny2cafuse on November 13, 2014, 11:19:31 AM

Quote from: LTEX on November 13, 2014, 11:09:53 AM

Following the latest discussions, I have to say I really like the idea of banning high hashes and fast block times. Why not simply mix the ideas into one:

1. Minimal block time
2. Max number of blocks in to be mined by same miner in a row?
3. Max block time (if block takes more than 30min, skip to next (maybe even ban previous 3 miners to find that block?) and put reward in charity wallet?
4. Ban miner that found more than 20% of blocks in last 24 hours? <-- great way to prevent any pool becoming able to pull off 51% attack?

This all can be done without IP banning or whitelisting (which are essentially against anything crypto stands for) I think. It also encourages and rewards smaller miners to join.

4 is a little too far IMO. That would have banned my 5 miner pool on a couple days. Maybe 50%, but not 20%. We don't have that many pools to be able to do that.

3 would cause a lot of issues. You're talking about calculating blocks between blocks, which is along the same lines as the discussion Halofire brought up. I for one don't want to see coins going to a mandatory charity. Who decides the charity purpose?

2 and 1 are essentially in the same boat of code, and I'm 100% behind that if we can make it work properly.

I will say this about IP banning. While it might be tricky to implement(proxies, vpn, etc), in the terms of what we're faced with, it's not against what crypto stands for. Clever centralizes this coin. A single IP ban to temporarily alleviate that burden would be bringing NLG back to a more evenly distributed network that isn't raped by a single pool.

-Fuse

Ok, I see what you mean regarding no.4, this can indeed be 35%-40%, but no more. I mean, we need to divide hashing between pools! Let's be honest, the initial idea behind crypto was to completely decentralize. Back in the early days even regular pools, like your own, were regarded as a same threat as we are regarding CleverMining now.

No.3 was on my list to be the one raising issues (so I succeeded Grin

). I agree 100% for it to create mathematic challenges, this might be a thing. The "central" charity wallet on the other hand is not so bad IMHO. Of course it must not be directed by a central entity, but what if we put up a voting tab in the wallet where, once a month, A charity gets picked by all active users of NLG? It must be technically possible to create a wallet that can only be controlled by the majority?

No.2 and one are indeed things that have to be implemented if possible

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Quote from: LTEX on November 13, 2014, 10:57:51 AM

Quote from: bram_vnl on November 13, 2014, 04:02:36 AM

I love the guldencoin community someone sends me 50k Cool

40K missing, and then I have everything back

guldencoin is the best coin ever!

Great stuff! And just because I am so very happy this community has proven once more to be a caring one, I just donated the last bit!
Welcome back Bram!

Thanks for the donations!!! i have my coins back i'm so happy

ny2cafuse

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Quote from: LTEX on November 13, 2014, 11:09:53 AM

Following the latest discussions, I have to say I really like the idea of banning high hashes and fast block times. Why not simply mix the ideas into one:

1. Minimal block time
2. Max number of blocks in to be mined by same miner in a row?
3. Max block time (if block takes more than 30min, skip to next (maybe even ban previous 3 miners to find that block?) and put reward in charity wallet?
4. Ban miner that found more than 20% of blocks in last 24 hours? <-- great way to prevent any pool becoming able to pull off 51% attack?

This all can be done without IP banning or whitelisting (which are essentially against anything crypto stands for) I think. It also encourages and rewards smaller miners to join.

4 is a little too far IMO. That would have banned my 5 miner pool on a couple days. Maybe 50%, but not 20%. We don't have that many pools to be able to do that.

3 would cause a lot of issues. You're talking about calculating blocks between blocks, which is along the same lines as the discussion Halofire brought up. I for one don't want to see coins going to a mandatory charity. Who decides the charity purpose?

2 and 1 are essentially in the same boat of code, and I'm 100% behind that if we can make it work properly.

I will say this about IP banning. While it might be tricky to implement(proxies, vpn, etc), in the terms of what we're faced with, it's not against what crypto stands for. Clever centralizes this coin. A single IP ban to temporarily alleviate that burden would be bringing NLG back to a more evenly distributed network that isn't raped by a single pool.

-Fuse

LTEX

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Following the latest discussions, I have to say I really like the idea of banning high hashes and fast block times. Why not simply mix the ideas into one:

1. Minimal block time
2. Max number of blocks in to be mined by same miner in a row?
3. Max block time (if block takes more than 30min, drop diff to default and skip to next (maybe even ban previous 3 miners to find that block?) and put reward in charity wallet?
4. Ban miner that found more than 20% of blocks in last 24 hours? <-- great way to prevent any pool becoming able to pull off 51% attack?

This all can be done without IP banning or whitelisting (which are essentially against anything crypto stands for) I think. It also encourages and rewards smaller miners to join.

LTEX

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Quote from: bram_vnl on November 13, 2014, 04:02:36 AM

I love the guldencoin community someone sends me 50k Cool

40K missing, and then I have everything back

guldencoin is the best coin ever!

Great stuff! And just because I am so very happy this community has proven once more to be a caring one, I just donated the last bit!
Welcome back Bram!

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Quote from: Meije on November 12, 2014, 03:07:14 PM

Quote from: BioMike on November 12, 2014, 02:59:47 PM

Quote from: Buerra on November 12, 2014, 01:32:04 PM

You mean like this? http://www.projectgulden.nl/92/rekenkracht-bijdragen-aan-het-guldencoin-netwerk/ but standard and with an easy UI or something?

Problem with this is that it is not pooled mining, but solo CPU mining. Chances of getting NLG through this way are very slim.

dat zet geen zoden aan de dijk

Maybe using the wallets to contribute some power to the network will do little for the current problems, I still think it's a good way to make the normal users aware of the fact that Guldencoin is more than buying some coins at Litebit and store them in their wallet.

If you want to attract more (potential) miners then let the normal users take their first steps with the piece of software they all have, their wallets. Give them a reward that's always much lower than regular mine rewards so it's not really worth to cheat by using multiple computers. And if they cheat they still contribute. I think this option is ideal to go viral within the normal group of users, and maybe a few take the step to real mining.

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Quote from: /GeertJohan on November 13, 2014, 03:24:05 AM

Quote from: ny2cafuse on November 12, 2014, 11:53:56 PM

Quote from: thsminer on November 12, 2014, 11:15:15 PM

Quickfix could be adding a check for low blocktime and increase the banscore with 10. That way clients would disconnect from clever after 10 fast blocks for 1 day because the default ban limit is 100. Easy to implement, dynamic and not centralized.

I would get behind this. You're 100% correct in that this would be an easy implementation. The only thing I would worry about is forked side chains from people not updating their clients. The breakdown looks good now, but before the 130 update, there were a lot of people on old wallets. Of course, you would just ban versions older than the newest as well.

Not a bad idea, thsminer.

-Fuse

I think this (thsminer's idea of banning miners with fast blocks by using the banscore) would cause chain splits and net splits. Imagine that clever is connected to 2 peers: a and b, those 2 peers will block clever after 10 blocks. Clever will then connect to two other peers to relay their blocks: c and d. c,d will relay clevers blocks to a,b. After 10 fast blocks c,d will block clever, but more importantly: a,b will block c,d. This goes on and at the end of the day the network is splitted into several groups of peers and miners are divided accross those, causing multiple chain forks to be mined.

Conceptually; the idea of banning a miner after too many fast blocks have been mined would work. But the question is: how to effectively ban while keeping the network safe. (again: proxying is really really simple, and banning blocks of IP's won't really help).

Forks won't occur if the clients only accept the latest version of the wallet(the version with the change) and ban the rest. I did this with KDC when they hard forked, and then forked 20 times in like an hour. The dev at the time didn't limit the version, so the old version that was a higher block reward was still submitting "valid" blocks. If you limit the version to only the newest, every wallet would reject clever's blocks. The only way this wouldn't work is if clever changed the code, distributed the modified wallet to the community, and he had more people behind a takeover of NLG than NLG has itself.

If you limit the version and do the ban score, it will work.

-Fuse

EDIT: The other thought I just had is would it be possible to self ban? Essentially stop clever from submitting the blocks in the first place. After the ban score gets to a certain point, the blocks aren't accepted from that client at all. At the client... before it pings other clients for confirmation. Just a thought.

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Quote from: veertje on November 13, 2014, 09:57:07 AM

Quote from: OpenforBusiness on November 13, 2014, 09:34:33 AM

Something fun is coming in the future .....cloud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmoSYU4swlI

Fun, can't stop playing, cloud.... mmmm sounds interesting

its give me a big smile

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Quote from: OpenforBusiness on November 13, 2014, 09:34:33 AM

Something fun is coming in the future .....cloud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmoSYU4swlI

Fun, can't stop playing, cloud.... mmmm sounds interesting

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Quote from: OpenforBusiness on November 13, 2014, 09:34:33 AM

Something fun is coming in the future .....cloud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmoSYU4swlI

that is a big record but old song Wink

a new mix

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Something fun is coming in the future .....cloud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmoSYU4swlI

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