Yes I've never gave the example of the French unions controlling heavy parts of the industry and the whole healthcare and retirement system until 1995.
I'm tired of you and your inability to read. Stay in your ignorance, keep thinking free market is the only possibility in the world.
So now
unions are not centralized organizations are they? Keep shifting those definitions each time flaws in your argument are pointed out, clearly it is working well for you.
Not in France no.
Anyone can create one, completely free process without any kind of limit. You just have to be a group of at least 2.
Then you get a decision power proportionated to the number of people in your group.
The only thing you can do to get even more decentralized is by giving a voting power directly to each individual. That's what I said before.
Again, read. Stop talking for an hour please and fucking read.
If you need to have a group of at least 2 to form a union.
That's capitalism.
Voluntary interactions between consenting individuals are capitalism.
If there's no central entity, that's not socialism.
The unions don't control the economy, they control their own companies.
2. Quote the part where I've insulted you.
Hard to do once you've edited your post.
You don't understand because you don't read. France nationalized healthcare, education, transports, energy and military industry by force plus some heavy industries like cars (not just the funds, the workers are picked by either the government or the unions/public organization). Now only parts of this remain that's why I say it went from 60% to 40%.
And if you haven't understood the difference between government control and proletariat control I don't see what I can add to this debate.
And National Socialist Germany didn't have nationalized healthcare, education, transports, energy and military industry?
Germans literally invented the pensions plans, I assume you've also heard of some of their "heavy industries" like the Volkswagen Beetle.
thats because stalin was in power, the king also puts his fellow citizens into slavish work, in the west instead of stalin there is the masonic banking cartel, and they are having everyone else being their salary/wage slaves.
thats how life is. majority of people dont have power they have to give power to others.
Yes. We're exploited so hard the average poor person in the US owns air-conditioning, a microwave, and 70% own a car.
That's the average poor person, not an average person.
Meanwhile, Stalin stole grain from Ukraine and sent it to National Socialists while Ukranians starved (7 million dead) so hard there were documented cases of people hunting children so they could eat them.
This is how system design works. Old versions of the telephone are still telephones but new telephones do not share all of their flaws. We keep redefining because we keep improving upon previous designs. 100 years from now, it will have shifted again based on the failures of the 21st century.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."
When each try resulted in millions of corpses, yeah, trying again is definitely a good idea.
nationalization and proletariat controlled
Proleteriat = workers
Therefore proleteriat control = capitalism
Nationalization = socialism
