Negative trust for an opinion? - page 5.

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Quote from: Vod on September 24, 2018, 01:00:52 PM

Quote from: Johny Depp on September 24, 2018, 12:58:32 PM

Moreover, I think, people posting on Flat Earth etc. should not be dealt with trust feedback. They rather deserve to be in ignore list. We already have enough scams to deal with. Check the users I have left -ve trust. Some of those scammers are not yet tagged by DT.

I'm not saying he is a scammer. I'm saying he is a nut job and should not be trusted.

You are NOT saying he is a scammer. But, the tool you have used is meant to identify scammers.

Its like police arrests you and keep you in lock up, saying...

"We're not saying he's a drug lord. But he's a Bitcoiner. So, he can be one."

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 24, 2018, 01:03:52 PM

But it's up to you. If you don't trust the guy, you're well within your rights to give him a neg. I just think it's pretty harsh.

Here is the fallacy. A random guy on BitcoinTalk can do whatever with his trust feedback. But, when it's from a DT member, it's NOT personal anymore. DT feedback represents forum trust. So, it must be rational & justified.

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Quote from: Vod on September 24, 2018, 12:50:08 PM

How can I trust someone who ignores all scientific laws?

It's just ignorance. My mother is totally averse to science and would probably believe a perpetual motion machine could exist if the huckster was confident and convincing enough. But I'd trust my mother with my life. There's a big difference between being stupid and being trustworthy.

But it's up to you. If you don't trust the guy, you're well within your rights to give him a neg. I just think it's pretty harsh.

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Quote from: Johny Depp on September 24, 2018, 12:58:32 PM

Moreover, I think, people posting on Flat Earth etc. should not be dealt with trust feedback. They rather deserve to be in ignore list. We already have enough scams to deal with. Check the users I have left -ve trust. Some of those scammers are not yet tagged by DT.

I'm not saying he is a scammer. I'm saying he is a nut job and should not be trusted.

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Quote from: Vod on September 24, 2018, 12:50:08 PM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 24, 2018, 12:41:31 PM

As much as I respect Vod--and I respect him a great deal--I think he probably shouldn't have left that feedback for the reason he gave.

Thank you.

How can I trust someone who ignores all scientific laws?

You probably should not have left a -ve trust. A neutral feedback would have suffice.

Moreover, I think, people posting on Flat Earth etc. should not be dealt with trust feedback. They rather deserve to be in ignore list. We already have enough scams to deal with. Check the users I have left -ve trust. Some of those scammers are not yet tagged by DT.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 24, 2018, 12:41:31 PM

As much as I respect Vod--and I respect him a great deal--I think he probably shouldn't have left that feedback for the reason he gave.

Thank you.

How can I trust someone who ignores all scientific laws?

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on September 24, 2018, 11:46:33 AM

I don't agree with that statement. The ability to think critically or rationally isn't inherently tied to one's trustworthiness, in my not so humble opinion.

As much as I respect Vod--and I respect him a great deal--I think he probably shouldn't have left that feedback for the reason he gave.

Obviously joerogers8 is delusional if he thinks the Earth is flat, but I think his views on that are only loosely related to trust on bitcointalk. There are a lot of folks who hold some very strange ideas, including religious people. You could argue that Christians, Muslims, and Jews live their lives based on a book of fairy tales, but would I give them a neg on the forum? No, not at all.

However, Vod is entitled to his opinion and is free to give a neg to whoever he deems worthy of one. He's also the only one who can remove it, so this is an issue between joerogers8 and Vod. We can all give our opinion on it, but none of us can do anything about it.

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Quote from: morvillz7z on September 24, 2018, 12:29:33 PM

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on September 24, 2018, 11:46:33 AM

Of course the earth is round, more than 7000 years old, and orbits the sun.

I'm curious why did you pick exactly 7000? Likely missing a few 0s' at the end. Roll Eyes

To disrespect the Abrahamic faiths because he is a heathen.

God made the world 7,000 years ago, but I will concede that He made it round.

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@OP

That thread and your post why you got tagged are the biggest shit i have seen the last weeks and there was a few from some Merit beggers here !

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on September 24, 2018, 11:46:33 AM

Of course the earth is round, more than 7000 years old, and orbits the sun.

I'm curious why did you pick exactly 7000? Likely missing a few 0s' at the end. Roll Eyes

On topic, this is how i see things lol

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/253/818/086.jpg

Oh, wait...dinosaurs? Cheesy

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on September 24, 2018, 12:18:57 PM

Yes.
That's why it's an opinion and not a fact.
If you opinion means jack shit it doesn't change the fact that it's an opinion.

Well, I disagree. Sad

I believe you cannot have an opinion that the sun emits purple light.

Opinions should have something to base the opinion on...

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Quote from: Vod on September 24, 2018, 12:17:18 PM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on September 24, 2018, 12:05:35 PM

The english dictionary disagrees.
It is most certainly an opinion.

Can you have an opinion against something factual?

Is my opinion really an opinion if I claim tiny trolls are holding us down so we don't fly off the earth?

Yes.
That's why it's an opinion and not a fact.
If you opinion means jack shit it doesn't change the fact that it's an opinion.

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on September 24, 2018, 12:05:35 PM

The english dictionary disagrees.
It is most certainly an opinion.

Can you have an opinion against something factual?

Is my opinion really an opinion if I claim tiny trolls are holding us down so we don't fly off the earth?

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You posted this in Serious Discussion of all places. It should immediately be moved to Off-Topic.

It's pretty much a clear cut case of trolling in my book. Not that my book has much authority in these matters.

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Quote from: Vod on September 24, 2018, 12:04:23 PM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on September 24, 2018, 12:02:34 PM

What is relevant is that joe got a red flag because of an opinion.

It is not an opinion that the earth is flat any more than it is the opinion that the moon is made of cheese. :/

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opinion (ə-pĭnˈyən)►

   n.
   A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: "The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” ( Elizabeth Drew).
   n.
   A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
   n.
   A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.

The english dictionary disagrees.
It is most certainly an opinion.

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on September 24, 2018, 12:02:34 PM

What is relevant is that joe got a red flag because of an opinion.

It is not an opinion that the earth is flat any more than it is the opinion that the moon is made of cheese. :/

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on September 24, 2018, 11:46:33 AM

Quote from: Vod on September 24, 2018, 10:46:18 AM

If the OP believes the earth is flat, he is incapable of reasonable thought and should not be trusted.

I don't agree with that statement. The ability to think critically or rationally isn't inherently tied to one's trustworthiness, in my not so humble opinion.

Of course the earth is round, more than 7000 years old, and orbits the sun. I know all these things, but a lot of people choose to argue these facts due to their spiritual beliefs, lack of knowledge, or learning disabilities. I don't think that automatically makes them untrustworthy.

Whether or not the earth is flat is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that joe got a red flag because of an opinion.

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Quote from: Vod on September 24, 2018, 10:46:18 AM

Quote from: AdolfinWolf on September 24, 2018, 10:20:05 AM

EDIT: not sure what shitstorm this is going to create. Undecided

What shitstorm?

If the OP believes the earth is flat, he is incapable of reasonable thought and should not be trusted.
If he doesn't, he is a troll and (more relevant) a liar and should not be trusted.

It is not an "opinion" that the earth is flat.

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Quote from: Vod on September 24, 2018, 10:46:18 AM

If the OP believes the earth is flat, he is incapable of reasonable thought and should not be trusted.

I don't agree with that statement. The ability to think critically or rationally isn't inherently tied to one's trustworthiness, in my not so humble opinion.

Of course the earth is round, more than 7000 years old, and orbits the sun. I know all these things, but a lot of people choose to argue these facts due to their spiritual beliefs, lack of knowledge, or learning disabilities. I don't think that automatically makes them untrustworthy.

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Quote from: joerogers8 on September 24, 2018, 10:16:34 AM

I received negative trust for an opinion by a legendary member. Is this allowed on the forum?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1053331

Don't you think you are breaking the below rule by your Post

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3. No trolling.

You can follow AdolfinWolf suggestions, but I will say talk to Vod before about it and ask him what behavior might get it removed.

One of the Vod quote from the topic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/want-to-get-your-negative-trust-removed-887515

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In certain situations, it's appropriate to remove negative trust if the user has shown they understand they made a mistake and they won't do it again.

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Quote from: AdolfinWolf on September 24, 2018, 10:20:05 AM

EDIT: not sure what shitstorm this is going to create. Undecided

What shitstorm?

If the OP believes the earth is flat, he is incapable of reasonable thought and should not be trusted.
If he doesn't, he is a troll and (more relevant) a liar and should not be trusted.

It is not an "opinion" that the earth is flat.

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