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Risk taker & Black Swan farmer.
The one thing holding all crypto-currencies back is volatility and price stabality.

If Nem can implement a decentralized bank similar to what bitshares is doing.

Its game, set and match.


I am skeptical about bitshare economic model. I don't think the way they peg bitusd arbitrarily to $ could work in practice. Lending business is pretty difficult to do with bitcoin because of its deflation nature so i am interested so see if anyone can come up with a viable model.     

Maybe a NEM stabilization fund would do the trick for volatility.

As for Bitcoin lending, here is a startup trying to do just that. https://btcjam.com/

Is that correct that they lend people btc and receive btc in the future with some return? So borrowers have to exchange btc to fiat to pay for whatever the reason they borrow btc in the first place: buy a car, pay the bill etc. It is where the exchange risk disaster come in. If when the loan is due in 6 months and btc jump 10 times where does the borrowers get the money to buy btc to pay back. Lending business works best when the currency is super stable and it is certainly not the case with btc.

Right, I understand the problem. I was just pointing out that someone was already trying it, though am not sure what the effect will be.
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Lets just settle at 10BTC per stake so we don't get disappointed.

+1,Too high expectations are unrealistic

Overall picture. When bitcoin mkt. cap was over 10 billion it was still ridiculously low compared to money sloshing around in world markets.
When world markets start to come under serious pressure again the money inflows to crypto will be much bigger than before. Better quality crypto currencies to go to. If the developers Nem has are truly top class
 then Nem should compete with Btc. I expect to see at least 8 billion mkt cap for Nem in the next crisis.

Another point. Have sock puppets been refunded yet?

Yes, and I think we'll have another major crisis about next year, so NEM needs to be ready for that. An economy based on lies and greed can't last forever.

What signs of crisis u see? What is the source of it?  USA again? China, Europe? Ukraine?


It's simple,too much debt in the system with no chance of paying it off. We are now seeing it cracking up
at an increased rate.Free markets are being manipulated TOO MUCH. The strains cause problems everywhere including things like you mentioned. In the not
too distant future something will tip it all over the edge.

Lets assume we'll have the next crisis in 2015.
Will people have trust enough to search "solution" from crypto currency or will they search something that is more in their own hands?


Good point, I agree.
But what if, by then, crypto currency will be prohibited by a law?
newbie
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Lets just settle at 10BTC per stake so we don't get disappointed.

+1,Too high expectations are unrealistic

Overall picture. When bitcoin mkt. cap was over 10 billion it was still ridiculously low compared to money sloshing around in world markets.
When world markets start to come under serious pressure again the money inflows to crypto will be much bigger than before. Better quality crypto currencies to go to. If the developers Nem has are truly top class
 then Nem should compete with Btc. I expect to see at least 8 billion mkt cap for Nem in the next crisis.

Another point. Have sock puppets been refunded yet?

Yes, and I think we'll have another major crisis about next year, so NEM needs to be ready for that. An economy based on lies and greed can't last forever.

What signs of crisis u see? What is the source of it?  USA again? China, Europe? Ukraine?


It's simple,too much debt in the system with no chance of paying it off. We are now seeing it cracking up
at an increased rate.Free markets are being manipulated TOO MUCH. The strains cause problems everywhere including things like you mentioned. In the not
too distant future something will tip it all over the edge.

Lets assume we'll have the next crisis in 2015.
Will people have trust enough to search "solution" from crypto currency or will they search something that is more in their own hands?



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Internet of Value
how can I enter the auction?

I will publish the auction format detail possibly later today. It is good that people know in advance how it is going to work.
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Internet of Value
The one thing holding all crypto-currencies back is volatility and price stabality.

If Nem can implement a decentralized bank similar to what bitshares is doing.

Its game, set and match.


I am skeptical about bitshare economic model. I don't think the way they peg bitusd arbitrarily to $ could work in practice. Lending business is pretty difficult to do with bitcoin because of its deflation nature so i am interested so see if anyone can come up with a viable model.     

Maybe a NEM stabilization fund would do the trick for volatility.

As for Bitcoin lending, here is a startup trying to do just that. https://btcjam.com/

Is that correct that they lend people btc and receive btc in the future with some return? So borrowers have to exchange btc to fiat to pay for whatever the reason they borrow btc in the first place: buy a car, pay the bill etc. It is where the exchange risk disaster come in. If when the loan is due in 6 months and btc jump 10 times where does the borrowers get the money to buy btc to pay back. Lending business works best when the currency is super stable and it is certainly not the case with btc.
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how can I enter the auction?
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Internet of Value
Might i ask in the forth coming road map of NEM is there a political stance ?

Machine has no politics, people have. So it is up to the community.
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Lets just settle at 10BTC per stake so we don't get disappointed.

+1,Too high expectations are unrealistic

Overall picture. When bitcoin mkt. cap was over 10 billion it was still ridiculously low compared to money sloshing around in world markets.
When world markets start to come under serious pressure again the money inflows to crypto will be much bigger than before. Better quality crypto currencies to go to. If the developers Nem has are truly top class
 then Nem should compete with Btc. I expect to see at least 8 billion mkt cap for Nem in the next crisis.

Another point. Have sock puppets been refunded yet?

Yes, and I think we'll have another major crisis about next year, so NEM needs to be ready for that. An economy based on lies and greed can't last forever.

What signs of crisis u see? What is the source of it?  USA again? China, Europe? Ukraine?


It's simple,too much debt in the system with no chance of paying it off. We are now seeing it cracking up
at an increased rate.Free markets are being manipulated TOO MUCH. The strains cause problems everywhere including things like you mentioned. In the not
too distant future something will tip it all over the edge.

I am not in the list.
Who could give me some ?
I will pay you some BTC.
Time to start the auction, you can buy more NEM, see how much you bid Grin
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jack

Lets just settle at 10BTC per stake so we don't get disappointed.

+1,Too high expectations are unrealistic

Overall picture. When bitcoin mkt. cap was over 10 billion it was still ridiculously low compared to money sloshing around in world markets.
When world markets start to come under serious pressure again the money inflows to crypto will be much bigger than before. Better quality crypto currencies to go to. If the developers Nem has are truly top class
 then Nem should compete with Btc. I expect to see at least 8 billion mkt cap for Nem in the next crisis.

Another point. Have sock puppets been refunded yet?

Yes, and I think we'll have another major crisis about next year, so NEM needs to be ready for that. An economy based on lies and greed can't last forever.

What signs of crisis u see? What is the source of it?  USA again? China, Europe? Ukraine?


It's simple,too much debt in the system with no chance of paying it off. We are now seeing it cracking up
at an increased rate.Free markets are being manipulated TOO MUCH. The strains cause problems everywhere including things like you mentioned. In the not
too distant future something will tip it all over the edge.

I am not in the list.
Who could give me some ?
I will pay you some BTC.
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jack

Here's what I came up with for my logo submission.  The equals symbol icon is 16x16 for data sites.

are you serious?


I think you are serious.
yes?
Yes.
newbie
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Lets just settle at 10BTC per stake so we don't get disappointed.

+1,Too high expectations are unrealistic

Overall picture. When bitcoin mkt. cap was over 10 billion it was still ridiculously low compared to money sloshing around in world markets.
When world markets start to come under serious pressure again the money inflows to crypto will be much bigger than before. Better quality crypto currencies to go to. If the developers Nem has are truly top class
 then Nem should compete with Btc. I expect to see at least 8 billion mkt cap for Nem in the next crisis.

Another point. Have sock puppets been refunded yet?

Yes, and I think we'll have another major crisis about next year, so NEM needs to be ready for that. An economy based on lies and greed can't last forever.

What signs of crisis u see? What is the source of it?  USA again? China, Europe? Ukraine?


It's simple,too much debt in the system with no chance of paying it off. We are now seeing it cracking up
at an increased rate.Free markets are being manipulated TOO MUCH. The strains cause problems everywhere including things like you mentioned. In the not
too distant future something will tip it all over the edge.
legendary
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legendary
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I haven't been here few days, what are the news?
newbie
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Lets just settle at 10BTC per stake so we don't get disappointed.

+1,Too high expectations are unrealistic

Overall picture. When bitcoin mkt. cap was over 10 billion it was still ridiculously low compared to money sloshing around in world markets.
When world markets start to come under serious pressure again the money inflows to crypto will be much bigger than before. Better quality crypto currencies to go to. If the developers Nem has are truly top class
 then Nem should compete with Btc. I expect to see at least 8 billion mkt cap for Nem in the next crisis.

Another point. Have sock puppets been refunded yet?

Yes, and I think we'll have another major crisis about next year, so NEM needs to be ready for that. An economy based on lies and greed can't last forever.

What signs of crisis u see? What is the source of it?  USA again? China, Europe? Ukraine?
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electroneum.com
Whatever idea we use to auction off the stakes, I highly suggest that people dont need to have a nxt wallet or counterparty wallet, or  any other wallet other than BTC for that matter.

Why cant we just have everyone who wants to be a part of it, send one bitcoin to the "auction wallet". Everyone who makes this deposit is eligible to bid on the stake at hand.

If/when we reach 1 BTC, we pause and those who want to continue, sends another Bitcoin to the wallet and they can continue bidding.

And so on. This is the simplest way to do it. The winner gets the stake and we go to the next one, ans so on.

At the end we send back all the unused BTC to the participants.

This way people dont need to do anything special to become involved, and we dont have to set up anything fancy.

A bitcoin wallet, and an auction thread. Also, anyone can watch too.

Keep it simple.

What am I missing. Keep in mind I dont know a whole lot about counterparty or how this nxt thing you are talking about either. And my guess is a lot of other people dont either.

But they may want to learn about this stuff, and purchase a stake of a crypto 2.0 to learn how this stuff works in the future.

My fear is potential bidders will be scared away from the auction because they dont get how it works and/or may be embarrassed to say anything and stay away the whole thing.

As crazy as I may sound, if im thinking this way, so are many others
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Almost 400 pages. Seems like yesterday this thread reached 200.
+1,great community
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When will it lunch? or beta test>?
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