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legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1001
Any ideas on what NEM will be trading at once alpha launches?

Still on the NXT AE.

Alpha coins will not be real.
Beta coins will neither.

Only launch coins will be real and will be most likely first traded on dgex, poloniex or bittrex.

I thought the coins would be real on alpha?

No, and honestly, why would you want them to be real in alpha stage? The client will have major bugs in this phase, that is why it is called alpha release!


I'm slightly confused...

Utopian said they're fake:

Testnest use test coins. Monopoly money which will be destroyed when we move to the mainnet.

Gimre said they're real:

alpha testnet, beta - most likely REAL thing

Whut..?

Exactly why im confused now.
Ive sold my NEM stake until i know for sure.

All i know is NXT has testnet running alongside the real thing so i would have assumed both are seperate.
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
Any ideas on what NEM will be trading at once alpha launches?

Still on the NXT AE.

Alpha coins will not be real.
Beta coins will neither.

Only launch coins will be real and will be most likely first traded on dgex, poloniex or bittrex.

I thought the coins would be real on alpha?

No, and honestly, why would you want them to be real in alpha stage? The client will have major bugs in this phase, that is why it is called alpha release!


I'm slightly confused...

Utopian said they're fake:

Testnest use test coins. Monopoly money which will be destroyed when we move to the mainnet.

Gimre said they're real:

alpha testnet, beta - most likely REAL thing

Whut..?
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1001
Any ideas on what NEM will be trading at once alpha launches?

Still on the NXT AE.

Alpha coins will not be real.
Beta coins will neither.

Only launch coins will be real and will be most likely first traded on dgex, poloniex or bittrex.

I thought the coins would be real on alpha?

No, and honestly, why would you want them to be real in alpha stage? The client will have major bugs in this phase, that is why it is called alpha release!

Well tons of coins were launched in alpha and beta, including darkcoin, bitcoin etc.
Other people have said it will be the real thing. IDK
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1001
CEO Bitpanda.com
Any ideas on what NEM will be trading at once alpha launches?

Still on the NXT AE.

Alpha coins will not be real.
Beta coins will neither.

Only launch coins will be real and will be most likely first traded on dgex, poloniex or bittrex.

I thought the coins would be real on alpha?

No, and honestly, why would you want them to be real in alpha stage? The client will have major bugs in this phase, that is why it is called alpha release!
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1001
Any ideas on what NEM will be trading at once alpha launches?

Still on the NXT AE.

Alpha coins will not be real.
Beta coins will neither.

Only launch coins will be real and will be most likely first traded on dgex, poloniex or bittrex.

I thought the coins would be real on alpha?
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1001
CEO Bitpanda.com
Any ideas on what NEM will be trading at once alpha launches?

Still on the NXT AE.

Alpha coins will not be real.
Beta coins will neither.

Only launch coins will be real and will be most likely first traded on dgex, poloniex or bittrex.
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 251
My Head is a Ritz
I wrote up kind of a  "how-to"/news article, to help people with setting up IRC.

Check it out!

http://news.nemcoin.com/join-ournem-on-irc/
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1001
Any ideas on what NEM will be trading at once alpha launches?
full member
Activity: 157
Merit: 100
Can anyone explain why so NXT increased in price over the last 2 days.
This very interesting and it should affect the NEM

There may be a factor: A Chinese cryptocurrency exchange (http://www.btc38.com/trade.html?btc38_trade_coin_name=nxt) opened NXT's trade soon
A few months ago, Dogecoin  same.

hehe, I will have offee with the boss of a chinese cryptocurrency exchange.We are discussing this question this weekend.

You can go to Coinmarket cap, click on the price and see where the volume is coming from.  This is Chinese volume from BTER.   (Which typically is followed by BTC38).



Many bosses of the chinese cryptocurrency exchanges are my friends.I think all of them are the best.
Don't forget to tell your friends, about NEM's situation and add NEM, thank you
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
NEM Enthusiast
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 500
Risk taker & Black Swan farmer.
I have just updated my investor's handout again and created another thread with the post to be easily available to Nemsters and all other crypto-enthusiasts.

Here is the thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7154246

Feel free to contribute if you like.

P.S. Please pm me if you see any corrections that need to be made or think any important information is missing and needs to be added.

Update: Also added the stunning visual version of the handout. Thanks to the people who have created that, it's awesome!  Cool
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1001
CEO Bitpanda.com
Wow, after reading about how PoS and forging works in NXT, I think POI is a much better idea. I don't have a mountain of NXT so there really isn't much of an incentive for me to leave the server portion running. To me, the more people that contribute to the network the more secure it is (decentralization), and as the currency dilutes, more people will be in the same position. More people will hoard to create stake and that defeats the point of a currencies fluidness. If you want to use the currency as a store of wealth (gold, you don't transact in it, just keep it for stability), fine. But, for a "fiat" to succeed by its' very nature, a lot of people need to want and use it.

Maybe I don't fully understand PoS, but this just doesn't feel all that terrific. Still, better than PoW I think...

Also, on the one hand, I like the idea that perhaps increasing one's node(s) with infrastructure results in a direct benefit (like adding infrastructure to a utility and increasing customer base). If I want to be a big participant I can do it on my own dime for fun and it benefits the network. On the other hand, it seems like it might encourage centralization again if folks wanted to build huge node farms then we are back to ASIC farm dangers again. So it is almost like you need some sort of "difficulty" co-efficient like in mining where the participating nodes have scale to a point and then diminishing returns. I have no idea how you'd enforce that as any method I can think of easily bypassed (by IP? by client ID?, etc.)

Enlighten me if you know better. I'll need to pour over the NEM POI docs.

(This may be offtopic so feel free to ignore)

In NXT to don't secure the network when you forge with a small NXT balance, that is why you don't get any rewards. If you run a node with few NXT you "stabilize" the network, but for security purposes you don't add anything. That is the reason why the Balanceforging/Totalbalanceforging blockforgingchance was introduced. This can't be exploited. If the POI can be exploitet is yet to be seen.
full member
Activity: 180
Merit: 100
Wow, after reading about how PoS and forging works in NXT, I think POI is a much better idea. I don't have a mountain of NXT so there really isn't much of an incentive for me to leave the server portion running. To me, the more people that contribute to the network the more secure it is (decentralization), and as the currency dilutes, more people will be in the same position. More people will hoard to create stake and that defeats the point of a currencies fluidity and consolidates the network to the people that already have a vested interest. If you want to use the currency as a store of wealth (gold, you don't transact in it, just keep it for stability), fine. But, for a "fiat" to succeed by its' very nature, a lot of people need to want and use it.

Maybe I don't fully understand PoS, but this just doesn't feel all that terrific. Still, better than PoW I think...

Also, on the one hand, I like the idea that perhaps increasing one's node(s) with infrastructure results in a direct benefit (like adding infrastructure to a utility and increasing customer base). If I want to be a big participant I can do it on my own dime for fun and it benefits the network. On the other hand, it seems like it might encourage centralization again if folks wanted to build huge node farms then we are back to ASIC farm dangers again. So it is almost like you need some sort of "difficulty" co-efficient like in mining where the participating nodes have scale to a point and then diminishing returns. I have no idea how you'd enforce that as any method I can think of easily bypassed (by IP? by client ID?, etc.)

Enlighten me if you know better. I'll need to pour over the NEM POI docs.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Still got my NEM stake for sale. Havent claimed my token yet because I cant use NXT AE on my computer (it's from the office). Price now 12.500 NXT or 1.75 btc
full member
Activity: 180
Merit: 100
Argh, the NXT exchange rates are killing me man. Good thing the AE prices for NEM are dropping (or perhaps staying relative to the NXT inflation).
sr. member
Activity: 602
Merit: 268
Internet of Value
Am I correcting in thinking the coins in the alpha/beta will be fake coins, or will these be the real thing?

fake

alpha testnet, beta - most likely REAL thing

Thanks for the answer. So does this mean the distribution will happen in time for the open alpha?

How did you come to such conclusion? here's an earlier quote:

alpha p0 -> 1-? weeks -> alpha p1 -> (hopefully) 1-2 weeks -> alpha p2 -> indefinite -> beta (nem launch) -> indefinite -> V1 blockchain

So the coins being used to test the alpha will all be recalled and re-distributed to the stakeholders come launch?

Testnest use test coins. Monopoly money which will be destroyed when we move to the mainnet.
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
Am I correcting in thinking the coins in the alpha/beta will be fake coins, or will these be the real thing?

fake

alpha testnet, beta - most likely REAL thing

Thanks for the answer. So does this mean the distribution will happen in time for the open alpha?

How did you come to such conclusion? here's an earlier quote:

alpha p0 -> 1-? weeks -> alpha p1 -> (hopefully) 1-2 weeks -> alpha p2 -> indefinite -> beta (nem launch) -> indefinite -> V1 blockchain

So the coins being used to test the alpha will all be recalled and re-distributed to the stakeholders come launch?
legendary
Activity: 866
Merit: 1002
Am I correcting in thinking the coins in the alpha/beta will be fake coins, or will these be the real thing?

fake

alpha testnet, beta - most likely REAL thing

Thanks for the answer. So does this mean the distribution will happen in time for the open alpha?

How did you come to such conclusion? here's an earlier quote:

alpha p0 -> 1-? weeks -> alpha p1 -> (hopefully) 1-2 weeks -> alpha p2 -> indefinite -> beta (nem launch) -> indefinite -> V1 blockchain
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
Am I correcting in thinking the coins in the alpha/beta will be fake coins, or will these be the real thing?

fake

alpha testnet, beta - most likely REAL thing

Thanks for the answer. So does this mean the distribution will happen in time for the open alpha?
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
Im sure this has been mentioned already, but with current price that Nem stakes are making on the AE, How safe is a bitcointalk account being the only way to prove you own a stake. Would it be wiser now to insist that everyone takes the tokens or come up with another way to secure your stake. Wasnt bitcointalk hacked last year ?
Personally I would prefer another way as the dumpers are being weeded out slowly atmo on the AE

cant insist on people claiming stakes.. its purely by choice! but it is far safer to get your stake on AE even if your not going to be trading it! much much safer!
You can show proof by doing a second payment to NEM from the address the stake was claimed from.
Easy as that.

Don't try and oversell the AE.

A lot of people gained a stake without payment; writing articles, making a logo/currency symbol etc. so if anyone obtains a NEMstake token I'd suggest it be those people.
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