Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 361. (Read 661525 times)
February 22, 2014, 10:21:22 PM
February 22, 2014, 08:25:29 PM
February 22, 2014, 07:30:52 PM
That stake will not be the only unclaimed stake.
There weill be a public auditing where big multi-accers get weedet out which means there will be stakes from those people.
After that, there will be hate and anger and people screaming unfair, scam and what not so maybe some will voluntarily ask for a refund which again would leave stakes unclaimed.
UP still wants to have 3k stakeholders so if we're way below that there may be a second round in which the rules would be tightened severly.
I guess we'll have to wait and see...
There weill be a public auditing where big multi-accers get weedet out which means there will be stakes from those people.
After that, there will be hate and anger and people screaming unfair, scam and what not so maybe some will voluntarily ask for a refund which again would leave stakes unclaimed.
UP still wants to have 3k stakeholders so if we're way below that there may be a second round in which the rules would be tightened severly.
I guess we'll have to wait and see...
I really welcome this, although i do have one concern:
I introduced a Romanian friend to NXT who purchased (some) of my own stake (transferred to his own wallet) who later participated into NEM after i had got on board (both of our stakes have been authenticated)
On the surface, this would look like a sockpuppet account but it's really quite the contrary in reality; he's a real individual, of which i know if needed, could vouch for me here, or, if at UP's request, in other ways if necessary.
The concern i have is how do we ensure in circumstances like above, arn't wrongly accused?
Seriously, stop with the negativity everyone..
First off, don;t feed the troll. He is our puppet. Get over it. And stop asking for ones' head, and not ruin your image at the same time.
Do you realise how it sounds? Think, before you type.
Second, everyone please:
Stop dividing yourselves and the community between false dilemmas. No coin is an enemy of an other.
Stating that *any* coin is an adversary to *any* other coin has the same sense as stating that one hammer is better than another hammer.
Get your heads together and accept a universal truth:
There is no problem. What we are in need of, is a decent development. On the software side.
When the devs will be ready, the logo will be too.
We do not need to hurry on anything. Everything has to follow the devs, so lets just keep our pants up.
And we surely do not want to sell something we don;t even have now, do we?
I'm off for now. Be nice.
Nailed it.
February 22, 2014, 04:44:21 PM
Does anyone else find the NEM vs Nxt thing really interesting? It's like bananas in pyjamas
trolling edited
What will happen with him right now?
Seriously pointless accusations - hope to mankind still possible??
Participating in a "no envy" movement does not go well with these lines here
Seriously, stop with the negativity everyone..
First off, don;t feed the troll. He is our puppet. Get over it. And stop asking for ones' head, and not ruin your image at the same time.
Do you realise how it sounds? Think, before you type.
Second, everyone please:
Stop dividing yourselves and the community between false dilemmas. No coin is an enemy of an other.
Stating that *any* coin is an adversary to *any* other coin has the same sense as stating that one hammer is better than another hammer.
Get your heads together and accept a universal truth:
Tools do not have a character. It is the user that defines the tool.
Your coins are tools, and represent your wealth. Learn how to use the tool, before you lose your wealth.
That is exactly the problem, we're in need of a logo now, not in a few months time! 
There is no problem. What we are in need of, is a decent development. On the software side.
When the devs will be ready, the logo will be too.
We do not need to hurry on anything. Everything has to follow the devs, so lets just keep our pants up.
And we surely do not want to sell something we don;t even have now, do we?
I'm off for now. Be nice.
February 22, 2014, 04:35:12 PM
Hi all,
We all talk about NEM and a New Economy Movement. Here, I want to share a concrete example about what I think NEM can really help to build a better world:
http://editi[Suspicious link removed]/2014/02/13/world/africa/cocoa-nomics-from-bean-to-bar/index.html?hpt=hp_c4
Chocolate production s a business of billions of dollars. Most of the world’s cocoa comes from West Africa, with more than a third coming from the Ivory Coast alone. Cocoa is grown mainly on small, family-owned plantations by farmers living in poverty. According to the publication, only 3% of the total price of a chocolate bar goes to the producers. If we can make NEM a powerful coin, those producers will be able to sell directly their products, without the necessity to use intermediates that speculate with the price. Even more, if we hink even beyond the cryptocurrency itself; those producers can start to manufacture their own chocolate, increasing the value and selling directly to retailers or even better, to consumers; using all the features of NEM coin.
This is why I am here
We all talk about NEM and a New Economy Movement. Here, I want to share a concrete example about what I think NEM can really help to build a better world:
http://editi[Suspicious link removed]/2014/02/13/world/africa/cocoa-nomics-from-bean-to-bar/index.html?hpt=hp_c4
Chocolate production s a business of billions of dollars. Most of the world’s cocoa comes from West Africa, with more than a third coming from the Ivory Coast alone. Cocoa is grown mainly on small, family-owned plantations by farmers living in poverty. According to the publication, only 3% of the total price of a chocolate bar goes to the producers. If we can make NEM a powerful coin, those producers will be able to sell directly their products, without the necessity to use intermediates that speculate with the price. Even more, if we hink even beyond the cryptocurrency itself; those producers can start to manufacture their own chocolate, increasing the value and selling directly to retailers or even better, to consumers; using all the features of NEM coin.
This is why I am here
February 22, 2014, 04:32:31 PM
I like to have a site similar to localbitcoin for NEM as early as possible so I am looking for people doing that.
I have registered "localcryptoco.in" website and ready to initiate it with NEM coin:
http://localcryptoco.in/
If developers help, we can pipe the nem interface with it fast.
Just let me know.
Quoting this for visibility. Nice one Sepehr!
February 22, 2014, 04:30:43 PM
Another point I want to stress (which I've mentioned before): I'm getting anxious with the lack of a logo. The logos found in the OP here and on the NEM subreddit are different and below par (In my opinion; absolutely no offence to the creators. I couldn't do better!). It's hurting NEM's image. Either you or Utopian need to make a decision soon! NEM is now getting too large to have no brand associated with it.
Logo will be decided by the community !
I've also stressed that point a few times but I guess UP wants to wait a little to make sure all proposals make their way here
There is an ongoing Logo and currency symbol discussion over here https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=660.
The idea is that we don't need to spam this thread over every individual issue, so please everyone,
visit the thread and take part at the discussion, let the designers know what you think.
There will be a vote set up as we get closer to the release, but for now it is a brainstorming thingie.
PS:
The one you see posted on the announcement and in this thread was one that was quickly picked as the proposal was forming.
The one at reddit is one of the later candidates. Both are temporary, and it can be found in the thread history(though i'm too lazy to do it).
TY
That is exactly the problem, we're in need of a logo now, not in a few months time!
February 22, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
Another point I want to stress (which I've mentioned before): I'm getting anxious with the lack of a logo. The logos found in the OP here and on the NEM subreddit are different and below par (In my opinion; absolutely no offence to the creators. I couldn't do better!). It's hurting NEM's image. Either you or Utopian need to make a decision soon! NEM is now getting too large to have no brand associated with it.
Logo will be decided by the community !
I've also stressed that point a few times but I guess UP wants to wait a little to make sure all proposals make their way here
There is an ongoing Logo and currency symbol discussion over here https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=660.
The idea is that we don't need to spam this thread over every individual issue, so please everyone,
visit the thread and take part at the discussion, let the designers know what you think.
There will be a vote set up as we get closer to the release, but for now it is a brainstorming thingie.
PS:
The one you see posted on the announcement and in this thread was one that was quickly picked as the proposal was forming.
The one at reddit is one of the later candidates. Both are temporary, and it can be found in the thread history(though i'm too lazy to do it).
TY
February 22, 2014, 03:04:30 PM
I like to have a site similar to localbitcoin for NEM as early as possible so I am looking for people doing that.
I have registered "localcryptoco.in" website and ready to initiate it with NEM coin:
http://localcryptoco.in/
If developers help, we can pipe the nem interface with it fast.
Just let me know.
February 22, 2014, 02:46:12 PM
so, i'm still at work, but i just registered the fanpage on fb. gfx, texts and so on is all temporary.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/NEM-Coin/217174381806901
http://www.facebook.com/pages/NEM-Coin/217174381806901
hey it looks really good
. fb ... when looking NEM logo and phrases outside of cryptoworld, I started thinking, if that "No Envy" is good statement - or not.
It contains kind of double negative, which ofc produces a positive thing, but ... is two negative words good for NEM's outfit for mainstreams?
In here, in crypto forums, we all, or almost all, know what that "Envy" refers, but what about the outer world, which has much more people than these forums?
No Envy ==> New Egalitarian ?
one more sketch / idea for the logo :
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...
NEM is New Economy Movement ; "new" means it is just to be created,
"movement" means that something is the goal of our work, the goal = another economy.
So the Economy is the key.
What can present this new Economy? Here it is just a simple E. A better one to be defined... (it depends on the goal of the NEM devs and ideologists. Eg. will the egalitarity have an important role also in the future activity and processes or just in the creation. I don't know
...
another idea for the logo form ( colors to be defined.... ) :
img]
There is a logo of a toilet paper company or some company that makes something with paper that looks just like this
ok
Could it be changed enough?
changed (colors to be defined as in all pictures ) :
And couple hand-made sketches/ideas to be developed:
if this is too psychedelic or causes problems in your eyes, the stripes' width can be changed
This one has it all
'N', 'E', 'M', 'W' (we), 'US' (we - us),
round shapes
and depending on colors: fire - flames, plant (green, growing - even rose, if red)
February 22, 2014, 02:06:06 PM
Another point I want to stress (which I've mentioned before): I'm getting anxious with the lack of a logo. The logos found in the OP here and on the NEM subreddit are different and below par (In my opinion; absolutely no offence to the creators. I couldn't do better!). It's hurting NEM's image. Either you or Utopian need to make a decision soon! NEM is now getting too large to have no brand associated with it.
Logo will be decided by the community !
I've also stressed that point a few times but I guess UP wants to wait a little to make sure all proposals make their way here
Can I suggest we set a deadline for submission, maybe mid March, for a logo that the stakeholders vote on. We then all get behind it. Maybe even create a competition with a bounty, for example I'd be happy to donate 10 or even 100 NXT to this which would give a prize pot of 30,000 to 300,000 NXT if all stakeholders did the same?
KC
Afaik the best logos get a dev stake anyway so there's no need to donate any more for that.
February 22, 2014, 01:42:43 PM
As a c# programmer, I would like to help but although I'm familiar with java, lack the experience to be an efficient java programmer (best tools, practices, java ecosystem familiarity, etc. I also lack the proper free time to contribute in a proper way (aka core developer) anyways, I'm not writing this to whine but to suggest that the development team organize a list of tasks that can be handled to others people like me or freigeist (I wanna help).
Yes that would be really nice but the problems with the tasks could be that
the developer could require more time to describe and delegate the task then to
solve it by themself.
It depends on the level of details of the tasks. The developers must list the development tasks to organize themselves and keep track of the project progress.
February 22, 2014, 01:25:19 PM
As a c# programmer, I would like to help but although I'm familiar with java, lack the experience to be an efficient java programmer (best tools, practices, java ecosystem familiarity, etc. I also lack the proper free time to contribute in a proper way (aka core developer) anyways, I'm not writing this to whine but to suggest that the development team organize a list of tasks that can be handled to others people like me or freigeist (I wanna help).
Yes that would be really nice but the problems with the tasks could be that
the developer could require more time to describe and delegate the task then to
solve it by themself.
February 22, 2014, 01:21:49 PM
floiTor I really like the message of your signature '' I am part of The New Economy Movement (NEM)" its empowering and makes u feel a part of something bigger than yourself. Can I use it.
February 22, 2014, 01:15:49 PM
Another point I want to stress (which I've mentioned before): I'm getting anxious with the lack of a logo. The logos found in the OP here and on the NEM subreddit are different and below par (In my opinion; absolutely no offence to the creators. I couldn't do better!). It's hurting NEM's image. Either you or Utopian need to make a decision soon! NEM is now getting too large to have no brand associated with it.
Logo will be decided by the community !
I've also stressed that point a few times but I guess UP wants to wait a little to make sure all proposals make their way here
Can I suggest we set a deadline for submission, maybe mid March, for a logo that the stakeholders vote on. We then all get behind it. Maybe even create a competition with a bounty, for example I'd be happy to donate 10 or even 100 NXT to this which would give a prize pot of 30,000 to 300,000 NXT if all stakeholders did the same?
KC
February 22, 2014, 12:20:11 PM
I have a friend php programmer. It can be useful project?
February 22, 2014, 11:56:49 AM
That stake will not be the only unclaimed stake.
There weill be a public auditing where big multi-accers get weedet out which means there will be stakes from those people.
After that, there will be hate and anger and people screaming unfair, scam and what not so maybe some will voluntarily ask for a refund which again would leave stakes unclaimed.
UP still wants to have 3k stakeholders so if we're way below that there may be a second round in which the rules would be tightened severly.
I guess we'll have to wait and see...
There weill be a public auditing where big multi-accers get weedet out which means there will be stakes from those people.
After that, there will be hate and anger and people screaming unfair, scam and what not so maybe some will voluntarily ask for a refund which again would leave stakes unclaimed.
UP still wants to have 3k stakeholders so if we're way below that there may be a second round in which the rules would be tightened severly.
I guess we'll have to wait and see...
February 22, 2014, 11:41:33 AM
Does anyone else find the NEM vs Nxt thing really interesting? It's like communism vs the free market.
NEM is like a malevolent dictatorship. Now they are just pulling peoples' stakes if they don't like what you say.
What will happen with him right now?
He is totally sick - hope we find a solution that will not damage our image.
I prefer to spend his stake to NEM-faucet, so he can't say we could share his stake in community.
February 22, 2014, 11:34:26 AM
Sign in
February 22, 2014, 11:30:05 AM
This is a quote from the 2Kool ban vote thread. (I voted no btw)
I like this idea because:
1. It does not give his stake to some other person
2. It does not increase the stake of those who are left
3. As far as I know UP hasn't already stated what will happen to his stake should he not claim it
How much time does he have left? I think we need to make this clear to him. He may not be acting in a fair way, however that should not dictate the character of our actions. We need to be as fair as possible and also keep in mind the precedent being set here.
If the faucet idea is something that is not possible, I would suggest we take into consideration the ideas outlined 1-3.
What is his deadline?
Clearly a lonely TROLL, It's evident that he has some sicko hatred against NEM.
Use that stake for something positive like KOOL FAUCET. in the mean time just ignore this sicko.
Use that stake for something positive like KOOL FAUCET. in the mean time just ignore this sicko.
I like this idea because:
1. It does not give his stake to some other person
2. It does not increase the stake of those who are left
3. As far as I know UP hasn't already stated what will happen to his stake should he not claim it
How much time does he have left? I think we need to make this clear to him. He may not be acting in a fair way, however that should not dictate the character of our actions. We need to be as fair as possible and also keep in mind the precedent being set here.
If the faucet idea is something that is not possible, I would suggest we take into consideration the ideas outlined 1-3.
What is his deadline?
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