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Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 87. (Read 661498 times)

legendary
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Cross post to the asset exchange thread and I am truly sorry.

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Dear NEM stakeholder community,

I apologize for making some of you disappointed but I decide to hold off the asset exchange listing for at least a couple of days until more information about NEM and its governance structure could be provided.

The reason for that is because I realized involving new investors is a qualitative change in NEM organizational structure and that needs to be handed with more transparency and disclosure. So far NEM has been conceptualized as a voluntary association in which stakeholders are participants and contributors to the formation of a new decentralized movement. In that conceptualization, I am comfortable in handling participant complaints with a simple refund suggestion. In that conceptualization, no one loses when he doesn't like what the development team is doing and can voluntarily withdraw. We as a team could also have the right to refuse certain participants who are deem not beneficial (sockpuppets for example). This phase has been dubbed "a call for participation" (it is not an IPO sorry) for these rationales.

This phase was over when the final stakeholder was published. No more stakeholders will be added. Now we are going to transition to a new phase in which investors can come in via  sales from the current stakeholders and public auction. I think they deserve to know more what future governance of the system will look like. So before investors are welcomed in, I would like to publish at least a preliminary draft of the Development Contract to the agreement of all current stakeholders. So the time during the asset exchange listing postponement will be used for that process. The process will include: the development team publishing a preliminary draft of the Development Contract; current stakeholders commenting and criticizing the Development Contract; majority of current stakeholders agreeing on the Development Contract and the rest requesting a refund and leave.

While I believe at this point the shares of the current stakeholders are theirs to control and technically asset listing is for the current stakeholder selling a part of his shares. However, we as a team cannot afford officiating the sale without performing our obligation in a full disclosure of what we plan to do with the development shares and development reserves. Hence, the postponement of the listing. I have been preparing materials for the Development Contract for a while and will be able to publish a preliminary draft very soon.

UtopianFuture     
can you guys give a definite timeline about your project or any plans???
member
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Wow take all the time needed, decisions and outcomes affect the community so do not rush  Smiley
sr. member
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Internet of Value
Cross post to the asset exchange thread and I am truly sorry.

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Dear NEM stakeholder community,

I apologize for making some of you disappointed but I decide to hold off the asset exchange listing for at least a couple of days until more information about NEM and its governance structure could be provided.

The reason for that is because I realized involving new investors is a qualitative change in NEM organizational structure and that needs to be handed with more transparency and disclosure. So far NEM has been conceptualized as a voluntary association in which stakeholders are participants and contributors to the formation of a new decentralized movement. In that conceptualization, I am comfortable in handling participant complaints with a simple refund suggestion. In that conceptualization, no one loses when he doesn't like what the development team is doing and can voluntarily withdraw. We as a team could also have the right to refuse certain participants who are deem not beneficial (sockpuppets for example). This phase has been dubbed "a call for participation" (it is not an IPO sorry) for these rationales.

This phase was over when the final stakeholder was published. No more stakeholders will be added. Now we are going to transition to a new phase in which investors can come in via  sales from the current stakeholders and public auction. I think they deserve to know more what future governance of the system will look like. So before investors are welcomed in, I would like to publish at least a preliminary draft of the Development Contract to the agreement of all current stakeholders. So the time during the asset exchange listing postponement will be used for that process. The process will include: the development team publishing a preliminary draft of the Development Contract; current stakeholders commenting and criticizing the Development Contract; majority of current stakeholders agreeing on the Development Contract and the rest requesting a refund and leave.

While I believe at this point the shares of the current stakeholders are theirs to control and technically asset listing is for the current stakeholder selling a part of his shares. However, we as a team cannot afford officiating the sale without performing our obligation in a full disclosure of what we plan to do with the development shares and development reserves. Hence, the postponement of the listing. I have been preparing materials for the Development Contract for a while and will be able to publish a preliminary draft very soon.

UtopianFuture     
sr. member
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Step into a world!! A P2P world!
I have a question:
The total coins will be 4 billion.
But whith or whithout forging?
Thanks
Forging doesn't create new coins, the translation fees are paid out in forging. There will only be 4 billion NEM.

That was it. Thanks.
sr. member
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Step into a world!! A P2P world!
I have a question:

The total coins will be 4 billion.

But whith or whithout forging?

Thanks

what do you mean ?

Maybe my english isn't that thing good...  Wink

I mean there will be 4 billion coins ever or will be 4 billion coins + some coins that came form forging system (scheme or or any properly word )?

I remember that there was an indication of a forging system in devellopment plan.

That it. I think its more "understandable" now.


hero member
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I have a question:

The total coins will be 4 billion.

But whith or whithout forging?

Thanks
Forging doesn't create new coins, the translation fees are paid out in forging. There will only be 4 billion NEM.
newbie
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reading part of the thread, i see that people are cotaminated whith the pump & dump scheme.

No one can really wait? It it so hard to do? The capitalism messed up the humans (and maybe some aliens between us  Grin ).

 Wink
hero member
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I have a question:

The total coins will be 4 billion.

But whith or whithout forging?

Thanks

what do you mean ?
sr. member
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Step into a world!! A P2P world!
I have a question:

The total coins will be 4 billion.

But whith or whithout forging?

Thanks
hero member
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sr. member
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Iota and JINN
Lol, the bidder NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z has over 9m NXT which is worth > 700BTC o.O

this user is Jason (jf777) and he is a shark  Wink
I'm a little worring about such people... How do You think, UP, if people like this could harm our coins(I mean price{dump,pump}) and community(somebody, not our trusted DEVS, will hold 40-50 stakes before launch of coins)

Best wishes for Our Community!
sr. member
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Iota and JINN
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2. You stated that you as developers will get 10 % of NEMs. 400 million NEMs

Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.


The point of NEM is blockchain innovation and an incentive compatible system. "Fair" means people who work hardest and contribute the most should get the biggest share. NOW  it is laughable that you compare a distribution in which 40% of the supply going to a random 8 people and one in which 6-8 developers who do almost everything share 15% of the shares.

Since you are an stakeholder, I would like to request you to ask for a refund if you feel so "surprised" and "unfair" about the distribution scheme. No one needs to be involved if he does not want to.

Or just go to the esset exchange and sell his stake,for example. We are really need only trusted community around the NEM!
sr. member
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Its not an additional distribution. Original stakeholder just get a token on the AE (if they want to) which represents their NEM stake. So they can already trade their NEM, although they have no real NEM yet. DEV-team earns nothing with this.

my fault - I did not understand enough

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Why do you put so much effort into a post, but at the same time, fail to research any of the "facts"? By simply reading the info that has been provided, you would find your post makes MANY assumptions that are false. I would usually go into explaining which parts of a post are incorrect, however in this case i can just sum it up by saying your post is largely untrue.

Just thought it would be good to let you know this. Take another closer look, I think you will find the true facts surrounding NEM are very positive.

You stated above that you, "started to read posts". Again, my advice is continue reading them and get back to us and let us know what you think at that point.

I find it difficult to really follow this chaos - several threads, updates in the middle of 400 pages thread, homepage empty with links to BCT thread again... Someone said 35 people working on this? Who is responsible for marketing/informational side?

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Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.

agree - why to take additional 10% of NEMs if you already collected 1 mil NXT? Maybe you should refund NXT/BTC after launch and divide this 10% into developers?

Also who will answer the question - what is the real progress? 35 devs - give us an answer please. Or maybe you just wait for NXT success and all bugs fixed to copy it?

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supporter

It has been said before. No one needs to be involved. Refund are readily available for current stakeholders. So in what perspective are you complaining when you do nothing ?
sr. member
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Internet of Value
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2. You stated that you as developers will get 10 % of NEMs. 400 million NEMs

Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.


The point of NEM is blockchain innovation and an incentive compatible system. "Fair" means people who work hardest and contribute the most should get the biggest share. NOW  it is laughable that you compare a distribution in which 40% of the supply going to a random 8 people and one in which 6-8 developers who do almost everything share 15% of the shares.

Since you are an stakeholder, I would like to request you to ask for a refund if you feel so "surprised" and "unfair" about the distribution scheme. No one needs to be involved if he does not want to.
hero member
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Its not an additional distribution. Original stakeholder just get a token on the AE (if they want to) which represents their NEM stake. So they can already trade their NEM, although they have no real NEM yet. DEV-team earns nothing with this.

my fault - I did not understand enough

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Why do you put so much effort into a post, but at the same time, fail to research any of the "facts"? By simply reading the info that has been provided, you would find your post makes MANY assumptions that are false. I would usually go into explaining which parts of a post are incorrect, however in this case i can just sum it up by saying your post is largely untrue.

Just thought it would be good to let you know this. Take another closer look, I think you will find the true facts surrounding NEM are very positive.

You stated above that you, "started to read posts". Again, my advice is continue reading them and get back to us and let us know what you think at that point.

I find it difficult to really follow this chaos - several threads, updates in the middle of 400 pages thread, homepage empty with links to BCT thread again... Someone said 35 people working on this? Who is responsible for marketing/informational side?

Quote
Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.

agree - why to take additional 10% of NEMs if you already collected 1 mil NXT? Maybe you should refund NXT/BTC after launch and divide this 10% into developers?

Also who will answer the question - what is the real progress? 35 devs - give us an answer please. Or maybe you just wait for NXT success and all bugs fixed to copy it?

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supporter
NEM is 100% new code, it has nothing to do with NXT and there isn't 35 dev, 35 might be helping out but they are not all developers
newbie
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Its not an additional distribution. Original stakeholder just get a token on the AE (if they want to) which represents their NEM stake. So they can already trade their NEM, although they have no real NEM yet. DEV-team earns nothing with this.

my fault - I did not understand enough

Quote
Why do you put so much effort into a post, but at the same time, fail to research any of the "facts"? By simply reading the info that has been provided, you would find your post makes MANY assumptions that are false. I would usually go into explaining which parts of a post are incorrect, however in this case i can just sum it up by saying your post is largely untrue.

Just thought it would be good to let you know this. Take another closer look, I think you will find the true facts surrounding NEM are very positive.

You stated above that you, "started to read posts". Again, my advice is continue reading them and get back to us and let us know what you think at that point.

I find it difficult to really follow this chaos - several threads, updates in the middle of 400 pages thread, homepage empty with links to BCT thread again... Someone said 35 people working on this? Who is responsible for marketing/informational side?

Quote
Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.

agree - why to take additional 10% of NEMs if you already collected 1 mil NXT? Maybe you should refund NXT/BTC after launch and divide this 10% into developers?

Also who will answer the question - what is the real progress? 35 devs - give us an answer please. Or maybe you just wait for NXT success and all bugs fixed to copy it?

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supporter
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2. You stated that you as developers will get 10 % of NEMs. 400 million NEMs

Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.



theres close to 35 people working on nem that will part of  it. plus some will go to marketing tech fund ect.. i think.... so really its not that bad and.. they do deserve it...
+1, Totally agree!
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2. You stated that you as developers will get 10 % of NEMs. 400 million NEMs

Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.

sr. member
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electroneum.com
Hi,

I started to read posts as I was interested in this project but recently I have a feeling that you guys started doing lot of noise without actually doing any progress. Additionally behind this idea of having 'fair distribution' you are trying to get a lot of money. Let me explain my concerns:

1. You started this project with idea of distribute it via individual small payment/donations share it proportionally which was fair in my opinion. Now checking investors list - you have approx 2800 users which gave you ~350 NXT in average which is more or less 1 million NXT (or ~70 BC)
2. You stated that you as developers will get 10 % of NEMs. 400 million NEMs
3. Now you introduced additional stake distribution of 1 billion NEMs via NXT AE. Lets assume an average price will be 0.01 NXT for 1 NEMs (not highest price on AE now) so you will get additional 10 million NXT (700 BTC)

Aren't you too greedy for almost copy-paste coin? What is the progress in development except more and more ideas of 'distribution'? If you believe in NEM project why are you selling NEMs before launch for BTC and NXT?

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supporter

Why do you put so much effort into a post, but at the same time, fail to research any of the "facts"? By simply reading the info that has been provided, you would find your post makes MANY assumptions that are false. I would usually go into explaining which parts of a post are incorrect, however in this case i can just sum it up by saying your post is largely untrue.

Just thought it would be good to let you know this. Take another closer look, I think you will find the true facts surrounding NEM are very positive.

You stated above that you, "started to read posts". Again, my advice is continue reading them and get back to us and let us know what you think at that point.

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Fellow NEM supporter

newbie
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3. Now you introduced additional stake distribution of 1 billion NEMs via NXT AE. Lets assume an average price will be 0.01 NXT for 1 NEMs (not highest price on AE now) so you will get additional 10 million NXT (700 BTC)
Its not an additional distribution. Original stakeholder just get a token on the AE (if they want to) which represents their NEM stake. So they can already trade their NEM, although they have no real NEM yet. DEV-team earns nothing with this.
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