Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 1358. (Read 2985503 times)

It's not what NEM did. But how they did it.

In silence. Anonymous. Not transparent. Bad timing etc.

Ofcourse it's good that a puppet with 200 accounts get deleted. But like I said; not the result, but the road to it is really wrong.

This! Please, at least TRY to understand this.

The socks HAD TO think the stakeholder list was final, otherwise they would have been really careful with further steps.

My questions; Part 1;

How can we trust a mysterious guy which is doing an audit and make decisions about which are sockpuppets and which are not?
Why is he anonymous?
What method is used?
Is this method working well? Prove?
Who decided to use this method?
Was there an audit after the mysterious guy showed his result?
Why were the stakeholders not informed of any of this?
Who are the ones that can make key decisions for NEM right now? Because I don't feel comfortable with it.
Where is the decentralized spirit of NEM? This action killed the whole idea of a decentralized movement IMO.
How will the Boss of NEM gain his trust fom his 'beloved' stakeholders which are feeling ignored?
Will the stakeholders of NEM ever get a voice or are they fooled by looking at fancy colours of logos?
When will NEM reach out to their 'stakeholders' and ask for their opinion about NEM matters?
When will NEM turn into a real Decentralized community like NXT instead of a high school project?
What is the difference between the Old Economy Movement and the New Economy Movement if the actions of these two Movements are identical? Having a fancy Wallet?
What is the reason I should join in the NEM adventure when there are other projects where participants/stakeholders are taken serious by joining votes etc.?
Was is taken into account that many people would dislike this action?
NEM is derailing from the promises that was given to the people in Bitcointalk. Are those promises wiped out and is sailing a new course?
What is the new mission of NEM?
What is the new vision of NEM?
Will the stakeholders taken seriously on future decision at all or will the boss of NEM take these kinds of important decision by himself?
Will NEM build a Voting System like NXT to let the stakeholders vote in a decentralized way or is this not important for you guys?
Are there more mysterious/anonymous members of NEM which are taking decisions for NEM which is not communicated?
When there are centralized authorities in the current economical businesses there are audits. Does your team has audits since NEM is taking decisions on a centralized way?
If yes; Who is the auditor? If no; How is NEM better than the current economical system?

I think you got that wrong. We didn't want the socks to know. If I was afraid of the communities reaction i wouldn't have published those results (well tbh I was reluctant).

I don't need to blow of anything but you can't deny this was a really stupid step.

So the whole core team did nothing to involve the community because they were afraid of their reaction? Thats's the point? So the better choice is to ignore them, i got it. Thats centralized as hell and has absolutely nothing to do with freedom and other principles NEM stands for.

I'll go a ahead and say that the biggest found cluster consisted of over 200 accounts.
Now imagine someone comes to you with plausible data that indicate such clusters ? What would you have done ?
I'm pretty sure noone would have said "Well we said we wouldn't do another investigation. So no, let em have it".

Regarding the question of whom to contact - Just contact me. Prefferably only with questions but sure if you need to blow of some steam go ahead. 

everyone in this case is core team + me. He is an active nemster so he might have showed more people. I can't be sure about that. Appearantly not many though.

The final list was final. There are way enough posts on the official forum. Community decided also - no more investigation. Another question; "...He showed everyone the data..." Who is everyone? As is said, i didnt see anything.

Well I can imagine a lot of people being a "bit surprised" by this... Can't you?
I'm not on the list btw, I'm just all about transparency.

I'm sorry but what would that have looked like ?

"Hello all you sockpuppets. Shall we kick sockpuppet?"
"Yes, please kick us all"

Also the sockmasters were getting lazier during the 2nd round and we needed them to be unaware so they wouldn't start to cover their tracks when redeeming.

I get where you're coming from but in all honest I don't know how we should have included the whole community without tipping everyone off.

FUD is something NEM has dealt with from day 1. Bring it on I guess.
Your a Sr. Member and a known NXTer. If you make your case during the extended redemption period you and your friends might get their stakes back (if you where removed that is). TWinnderD (I'm sure the name rings a bell ?) was in the exact same situation and got most of his stakes back (but then again he just made his case and asked me instead of going striaght into the thread and starting to point fingers).

So Mr.X came - showed - and there was the final decission. Community involvement zero. Very transparent.

As I told you via pm - Every single person that was marked as sock will get the chance to make their case during the extended redemption period. People have hade their case during the first round as well and some of them got back.

It isn't for me.

1) mr. himself did. He's one of those people that just do things instead of just talking
2) I knew about it and I posted the results. That's pretty much all my involvement.
3) See 1). Can't tell you a date as I have no idea when exactly he started. He showed everyone the data. They were showing some extreme clusters which caused another round of removal.

Noone was hired, No money was spent.

Hope that answers your questions.

I'll try answering all the question 1 by 1...just give me a bit of time....I'm at work afterall (good thing this was released on a relatively calm day).

why is it weird that i didnt know about it and patmast3r did? would it be fair if the marketing team were told about it in advance? its just as reasonable to assume that people on the marketing team should be subject to the same scrutiny as the rest of the community, and the marketing team was subject to the same scrutiny, hence why i had no clue about this. if anything, people should be glad to see that the marketing team wasnt given an unfair heads up instead of saying its strange?

@above post..

if i knew about this.. you would be right asking whats wrong here... but i didnt know.. and im glad i didnt know.. because its proved to me that the core team does not dish out favours to "insiders" by telling them a sock removal is coming so how ever controversial this may be, i now have even more faith in there integrity than i already did.

the second quote applies exactly the same if you replace community with marketing team.

please tell me whats wrong here... thats a bad joke, nothing else.

I think NEM is abducted by Aliens. That's the only explanation.