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Quote from: Thingamajig on November 08, 2014, 09:09:45 AM

I'm not sure what the big deal is about this.

I think alot of people are scared that raising the limit to 8 billion is going to negatively impact the value of what they'll own - when they should though this will go unchanged, it'll simply just scale.

I'm in NEM for long term, so whether it changes to 8 billion or keeps it at 4 is of no concern to me - i see pro's and cons to both decisions and really i think either one isn't going to hurt.

My opinion is that changes this big this late in the game are a very bad idea.

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I'm not sure what the big deal is about this.

I think alot of people are scared that raising the limit to 8 billion is going to negatively impact the value of what they'll own - when they should know this will go unchanged, it'll simply just scale.

I'm in NEM for long term, so whether it changes to 8 billion or keeps it at 4 is of no concern to me - i see pro's and cons to both decisions and really i think either one isn't going to hurt.

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Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:51:02 AM

Quote from: rockethead on November 08, 2014, 08:42:20 AM

Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:31:25 AM

Absolutely no reasonable argument. Point to one.

3K said 4 billion is ok when they sent in their tx ids.

I cant see how those 4billions did not scare the asians at the time, but they scare them now.

(i love it when you guys have to cherrypick on two or three words in an argument, and try to twist it around)

3K subscribed does not mean that they necessarily agreed with 4 Billion coins. When Ford-T was rolled out, thousands bought it because there was no other model. If they had seen a 21st. century car at that time, they would not have gone for a Ford-T.

Asians are scared or not is immaterial now when the arguments put forth are for more coins and for some other reasons.

Like I said earlier change is a constant. If we are not even prepared to change and evolve from an earlier decision, then we should not even be in this paradigm of change that we are in.

So, to recap, according to your logic:
3000+ users subscribing to an idea, IS NOT proof of agreement with the idea.
3000+ users NOT voting on a flawed and manipulative poll IS NOT the majority of the 3000 stakeholders
35 votes towards the outcome you prefer is the majority.

ok bud

edit: on the fuds statement, that is poor defense. Plain simple poor defense.
Playin the FUD card on me is a new low on this debate.

Playing the FUD card on you because you have an irascible disposition rather than your claimed adult and rational discourse that you think you have by calling some people of kindergarten mentality.

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Quote from: rockethead on November 08, 2014, 08:42:20 AM

Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:31:25 AM

Absolutely no reasonable argument. Point to one.

3K said 4 billion is ok when they sent in their tx ids.

I cant see how those 4billions did not scare the asians at the time, but they scare them now.

(i love it when you guys have to cherrypick on two or three words in an argument, and try to twist it around)

3K subscribed does not mean that they necessarily agreed with 4 Billion coins. When Ford-T was rolled out, thousands bought it because there was no other model. If they had seen a 21st. century car at that time, they would not have gone for a Ford-T.

Asians are scared or not is immaterial now when the arguments put forth are for more coins and for some other reasons.

Like I said earlier change is a constant. If we are not even prepared to change and evolve from an earlier decision, then we should not even be in this paradigm of change that we are in.

So, to recap, according to your logic:
3000+ users subscribing to an idea, IS NOT proof of agreement with the idea.
3000+ users NOT voting on a flawed and manipulative poll IS NOT the majority of the 3000 stakeholders
35 votes towards the outcome you prefer is the majority.

ok bud

edit: on the fuds statement, that is poor defense. Plain simple poor defense.
Playin the FUD card on me is a new low on this debate.

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Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:25:28 AM

wow, rockethead, i see you can play with words just fine, but you wont really touch the issue, would you?
Tell me, was the 8billion your idea?

If yes, please explain in a reasonable, rational and adult manner WHY this change needs to take place.
if you agree but this was not your idea, again, please explain in a reasonable, rational and adult manner why it makes sense to change such a detail at this time of development.

Give me a reason, not an opinion

I touched the issue thoroughly. Unlike you, I have explained it rationally and in an adult manner at the NEM forum. It is obvious that you are shooting fuds without considering what everyone else has said. You are merely provoking. Is that what you wish to do?

https://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2531.msg6776#msg6776

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Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:34:25 AM

59% voted for the change in the poll over at nem forum.
They are the only people that said yes to this change.

go over at the poll and check for yourself, and report back to us,
how many said yes?

My logical reasoning is bolded in the comments you passed by so easily.

tell me again how asians were afraid of 4billion at launch, but not at the initial call for participation,
and how 8 is a "better marketable number"

or how "8 billion is close to earths' population"

EDIT: 59% is what i meant to say, not people.
Its actually 35 votes, its worse than what i originally said.

' You see sonny, its 4 billion because its always been like that'.....the old geezer says.....

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Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:34:25 AM

59 voted for the change in the poll over at nem forum.
They are the only people that said yes to this change.

go over at the poll and check for yourself, and report back to us,
how many said yes?

My logical reasoning is bolded in the comments you passed by so easily.

tell me again how asians were afraid of 4billion at launch, but not at the initial call for participation,
and how 8 is a "better marketable number"

or how "8 billion is close to earths' population"

'We picked 4 billion because its 4 times 1 to Nxt....you know like Ltc was 4 times 1 toBtc.'......' 0h right' says the perplexed interviewer in the future.

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Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:31:25 AM

Absolutely no reasonable argument. Point to one.

3K said 4 billion is ok when they sent in their tx ids.

I cant see how those 4billions did not scare the asians at the time, but they scare them now.

(i love it when you guys have to cherrypick on two or three words in an argument, and try to twist it around)

3K subscribed does not mean that they necessarily agreed with 4 Billion coins. When Ford-T was rolled out, thousands bought it because there was no other model. If they had seen a 21st. century car at that time, they would not have gone for a Ford-T.

Asians are scared or not is immaterial now when the arguments put forth are for more coins and for some other reasons.

Like I said earlier change is a constant. If we are not even prepared to change and evolve from an earlier decision, then we should not even be in this paradigm of change that we are in.

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59% voted for the change in the poll over at nem forum.
They are the only people that said yes to this change.

go over at the poll and check for yourself, and report back to us,
how many said yes?

My logical reasoning is bolded in the comments you passed by so easily.

tell me again how asians were afraid of 4billion at launch, but not at the initial call for participation,
and how 8 is a "better marketable number"

or how "8 billion is close to earths' population"

EDIT: 59% is what i meant to say, not people.
Its actually 35 votes, its worse than what i originally said.

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Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:25:28 AM

wow, rockethead, i see you can play with words just fine, but you wont really touch the issue, would you?
Tell me, was the 8billion your idea?

No. It was not. It was someone else that made me think through before shooting it down like you. What words was I playing with? I touched the issue thoroughly and came away with a conclusion. Did you bother to read it and rebut it at the NEM forum? If you did not then go over and read them.

Don't knock things off by making statements that 59 only voted. Make logical reasoning and rebut accordingly. Anyone can say anything to kill an issue but is that the way to do it?

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Absolutely no reasonable argument. Point to one.

3K said 4 billion is ok when they sent in their tx ids.

I cant see how those 4billions did not scare the asians at the time, but they scare them now.

(i love it when you guys have to cherrypick on two or three words in an argument, and try to twist it around)

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Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:22:26 AM

so nembit86, are you saying that because only 59 saw the poll, they get to choose where NEM goes?

having a manipulative poll is not the epitome of voting procedures.
Sheep could vote for the best butcher out of three choices, that doesn;t mean sheep can decide.

The fact of the matter is this:
Some very vocal users are arguing for issuing 8billion coins instead of 4billion that were the plan all along.
There has been ABSOLUTELY NO REASONABLE ARGUMENT so far, and based on a manipulative poll
the very same vocal users are now saying that the 59 votes on nemforum "are the community opinion"

My point is that NO, they are not. Since the 3000 did not decide for such a change, the pro-8billion users are merely trying to create a fake image of compliance.

ABSOLUTELY NO REASONABLE ARGUMENT so far? Rebut those put forth in the NEM forum. I don't see you rebutting?

Further, 3K did not decide that it should be 4 billion either. What have you got to say about that?

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wow, rockethead, i see you can play with words just fine, but you wont really touch the issue, would you?
Tell me, was the 8billion your idea?

If yes, please explain in a reasonable, rational and adult manner WHY this change needs to take place.
if you agree but this was not your idea, again, please explain in a reasonable, rational and adult manner why it makes sense to change such a detail at this time of development.

Give me a reason, not an opinion

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Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:12:36 AM

there is absolutely no reasoning for such a change at this time of development, other that acquiring more coins.
No-one has given ANY reasonable argument, so please take your opinion on the shelf next to mine.

Once there is any kind of reasonable argument, we can get out of the kindergarden. In the mean time,
59 people are in no way a majority.
The majority of the stakeholders DID NOT VOTE FOR SUCH A CHANGE.

So, if you and anyone else believes that you are entitled to carry on with changes AGAINST the community, you should state so in clear and coherent manner and not hide such attempts behind fake polls and manipulative posts.

If proponents and the opponents should be shelved then the 59 stands. If not what stands? Not yours and not the proponents.

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so nembit86, are you saying that because only 59 saw the poll, they get to choose where NEM goes?

having a manipulative poll is not the epitome of voting procedures.
Sheep could vote for the best butcher out of three choices, that doesn;t mean sheep can decide.

The fact of the matter is this:
Some very vocal users are arguing for issuing 8billion coins instead of 4billion that were the plan all along.
There has been ABSOLUTELY NO REASONABLE ARGUMENT so far, and based on a manipulative poll
the very same vocal users are now saying that the 59 votes on nemforum "are the community opinion"

My point is that NO, they are not.
Since the 3000 did not decide for such a change, the 59 pro-8billion users are merely trying to create a fake image of compliance.

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Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:12:36 AM

there is absolutely no reasoning for such a change at this time of development, other that acquiring more coins.
No-one has given ANY reasonable argument, so please take your opinion on the shelf next to mine.

Once there is any kind of reasonable argument, we can get out of the kindergarden. In the mean time,
59 people are in no way a majority.
The majority of the stakeholders DID NOT VOTE FOR SUCH A CHANGE.

So, if you and anyone else believes that you are entitled to carry on with changes AGAINST the community, you should state so in clear and coherent manner and not hide such attempts behind fake polls and manipulative posts.

This is stupid. People need to vote for to put over their views. If you dont vote you end up being led.

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Quote from: rockethead on November 08, 2014, 08:09:33 AM

The fact remains that a couple of thousands read and they did not bother. Why are you harping on 59?

Because Rockethead, the poor 59 souls who voted for 8bil cannot be held as the majority of NEM.
They might aswell be UF's sockpuppets.

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Quote from: lovely89 on November 08, 2014, 08:08:07 AM

Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 08:03:03 AM

Quote from: rockethead on November 08, 2014, 07:56:39 AM

Quote from: okaynow on November 08, 2014, 07:07:54 AM

Quote from: TaunSew on November 07, 2014, 05:03:19 AM

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders. The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.

What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

Well thousands read in the facebook. If they cared, they would have voted. Less than 80 voted for the logo, despite 4 months of deliberation. What does that say? Did you vote for the number of coins to be distributed?

Again, the fallacy.
Just because 59 out of 3000 can be all day everyday infront of a screen, it does not mean they get to choose for the rest of the people.

This is complete and utter ~~stupidity~~ nonsens, at least, if not anything worse.

Saying that 59 out of 3000 is the majority of anything proves more than you think.

I hold a number of stakes but won't vote unless it is an official poll. Not some bitcointalk poll where trolls do as they wish.

Well, if you cared, you would have voted on it. If you kept quiet, who is to know? Logo was official and it only attracted 78 voters. This is 19 less. Maybe you are just one of the 19 who did not bother.

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Quote from: Conurtrol on November 08, 2014, 08:10:12 AM

I think the devs made the right decision. The 4 billion number was tied to the NXT narrative and it is a good idea to decouple from that. I agree that the asian superstition part was silly, as all superstitions are, but the devs listened to the community and made a good pragmatic business decision. This bodes well for the future of NEM.

Has the decision been made ? .....it will have to be made soon anyway....

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Quote from: patmast3r on November 08, 2014, 08:11:26 AM

Quote from: Conurtrol on November 08, 2014, 08:10:12 AM

I think the devs made the right decision. The 4 billion number was tied to the NXT narrative and it is a good idea to decouple from that. I agree that the asian superstition part was silly, as all superstitions are, but the devs listened to the community and made a good pragmatic business decision. This bodes well for the future of NEM.

Is it really set in stone ?
Where was that announced ?

Apologies, I thought it was but I am mistaken.

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