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Well.... The official "beta" was suppose to be released in September and then 3 weeks after the distribution.  I would also like to know when it will happen. 

no need to rush. just look at NODEcoin to see what happens when you push a release date


or, please rush so I can pick up cheap NEM when dumpers dump upon a premature release

Even if we released right this second it wouldn't be as premature as NODE Smiley
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Well.... The official "beta" was suppose to be released in September and then 3 weeks after the distribution.  I would also like to know when it will happen. 

no need to rush. just look at NODEcoin to see what happens when you push a release date


or, please rush so I can pick up cheap NEM when dumpers dump upon a premature release
legendary
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I think if asset names are unique, then their will be squatters, but they can't squat everything.  With all the internet websites in the world and the tons and tons of squatters, it is still easy to obtain a pretty cool address.  My brother just started a business and was able to come up with a very nice name and got the website for like $20.  All it takes is a little imagination.  

It's true that "Google" would be squatted on immediately, but no matter how many combinations that people squat on with Google, there will still be literally an infinite number of other options with "Google" in it.  And what Google would really want to do is just come up with a new word for its assets and then all at once register all those combinations with that alias.  For instance they could say "GoogleGits" or something else kind of crazy but that sounds nice.  I am not that great of coming up with names, but what I know is there will always be another name.  If somebody wanted to squat on all the combinations trying to make sure Google would not be able to get a word after "Google" with up to four characters (for instance Googlexxxx) it would take 1,679,616 squats and that is just for the one company of Google and then all Google has to do is add another character.  And then of course Google could just put a word in front of its name (xxxxGoogle) and now we are up to a few million squats just to get those two combos.  I really know 100% it is impossible to squat everything, just the most blatantly obvious things can be squatted.  

Of course Google will try to buy the asset name "Google" from somebody and likely will be able to get it for a reasonable price because the owner will know that there are lots and lots of other choices for Google.  

Try squatting for 1000 NEM Coins per year per name. ;-)

If there are 1 million squats, NEM is landed on the moon by then and it doesn't matter anymore in that there is already an economy within the NEM space. In fact the more squatters there are the better because transactions will be free as they will be financed by squatters. There are ways to tackle the uniqueness of a name which I have put forth to the dev.
legendary
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mining is so 2012-2013
Well.... The official "beta" was suppose to be released in September and then 3 weeks after the distribution.  I would also like to know when it will happen. 
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Can anyone explain the schedule. It says they (hopefully) will distribute Nem in October but there is no date for the blockchain. Don't you need the blockchain to move coins around, trade etc?
legendary
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mining is so 2012-2013
I think if asset names are unique, then their will be squatters, but they can't squat everything.  With all the internet websites in the world and the tons and tons of squatters, it is still easy to obtain a pretty cool address.  My brother just started a business and was able to come up with a very nice name and got the website for like $20.  All it takes is a little imagination.  

It's true that "Google" would be squatted on immediately, but no matter how many combinations that people squat on with Google, there will still be literally an infinite number of other options with "Google" in it.  And what Google would really want to do is just come up with a new word for its assets and then all at once register all those combinations with that alias.  For instance they could say "GoogleGits" or something else kind of crazy but that sounds nice.  I am not that great of coming up with names, but what I know is there will always be another name.  If somebody wanted to squat on all the combinations trying to make sure Google would not be able to get a word after "Google" with up to four characters (for instance Googlexxxx) it would take 1,679,616 squats and that is just for the one company of Google and then all Google has to do is add another character.  And then of course Google could just put a word in front of its name (xxxxGoogle) and now we are up to a few million squats just to get those two combos.  I really know 100% it is impossible to squat everything, just the most blatantly obvious things can be squatted.  

Of course Google will try to buy the asset name "Google" from somebody and likely will be able to get it for a reasonable price because the owner will know that there are lots and lots of other choices for Google.  
legendary
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WARNING:

It looks like there is a scam NEMstake asset on the NXT AE: https://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/market/16349551126838875261

When buying NEMstake, make sure the asset id is 12465186738101000735.

Be careful!!
But two assets is not allowed with the same name?

It is allowed, otherwise the "best" names could be blocked.
User/buyer has to check the asset ID.

How many people will ever check the ID? Even a simple scam on the BTT lately can scam the computer savvy guy.

Unless NXT is only designed for that few people, it is ok. But for main stream? I don't know what to say. Wink

There is no best solution as both ways (without centralization) have pros and cons.

no unique asset names was the lessor of two evils. it would have been worse if they were unique as every sinlge dictionary word, 2,3,4,5 letter abbreviations and anything that could potentially have be profitable to grab would have been snapped up and then squatted on.. we would have random alpha numeric codes to look at instead of actual names. i would have done the same.

I would prefer the unique names BY FAR. It has worked quite well for internet domains no ?
Sure people can grab good names but so what ? if you want that name you'll have to buy it or use a different one. Don't see anything wrong with that.

Yes, that is what I have been saying for a long time in the NEM AE. I believe the point has been taken note of. THere is no need for centralization to manage the Name Space. All this can be automated.

Anyone can try squatting and I'd say good luck to them. In fact my proposal has more far reaching effect than the domain name because of its "centralization". Decentralization has better options.
legendary
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WARNING:

It looks like there is a scam NEMstake asset on the NXT AE: https://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/market/16349551126838875261

When buying NEMstake, make sure the asset id is 12465186738101000735.

Be careful!!
But two assets is not allowed with the same name?

It is allowed, otherwise the "best" names could be blocked.
User/buyer has to check the asset ID.

How many people will ever check the ID? Even a simple scam on the BTT lately can scam the computer savvy guy.

Unless NXT is only designed for that few people, it is ok. But for main stream? I don't know what to say. Wink

There is no best solution as both ways (without centralization) have pros and cons.

no unique asset names was the lessor of two evils. it would have been worse if they were unique as every sinlge dictionary word, 2,3,4,5 letter abbreviations and anything that could potentially have be profitable to grab would have been snapped up and then squatted on.. we would have random alpha numeric codes to look at instead of actual names. i would have done the same.

I would prefer the unique names BY FAR. It has worked quite well for internet domains no ?
Sure people can grab good names but so what ? if you want that name you'll have to buy it or use a different one. Don't see anything wrong with that.
internet domains are centralized - apple can get apple.com by going to court.
transition to a crypto asset exchange for a real company could become a no-go if they cannot use their real name.
anyway, there are pros and cons  Smiley
hero member
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WARNING:

It looks like there is a scam NEMstake asset on the NXT AE: https://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/market/16349551126838875261

When buying NEMstake, make sure the asset id is 12465186738101000735.

Be careful!!
But two assets is not allowed with the same name?

It is allowed, otherwise the "best" names could be blocked.
User/buyer has to check the asset ID.

How many people will ever check the ID? Even a simple scam on the BTT lately can scam the computer savvy guy.

Unless NXT is only designed for that few people, it is ok. But for main stream? I don't know what to say. Wink

There is no best solution as both ways (without centralization) have pros and cons.

no unique asset names was the lessor of two evils. it would have been worse if they were unique as every sinlge dictionary word, 2,3,4,5 letter abbreviations and anything that could potentially have be profitable to grab would have been snapped up and then squatted on.. we would have random alpha numeric codes to look at instead of actual names. i would have done the same.

I would prefer the unique names BY FAR. It has worked quite well for internet domains no ?
Sure people can grab good names but so what ? if you want that name you'll have to buy it or use a different one. Don't see anything wrong with that.
legendary
Activity: 1181
Merit: 1002
WARNING:

It looks like there is a scam NEMstake asset on the NXT AE: https://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/market/16349551126838875261

When buying NEMstake, make sure the asset id is 12465186738101000735.

Be careful!!
But two assets is not allowed with the same name?

It is allowed, otherwise the "best" names could be blocked.
User/buyer has to check the asset ID.

How many people will ever check the ID? Even a simple scam on the BTT lately can scam the computer savvy guy.

Unless NXT is only designed for that few people, it is ok. But for main stream? I don't know what to say. Wink

There is no best solution as both ways (without centralization) have pros and cons.
legendary
Activity: 1059
Merit: 1016
WARNING:

It looks like there is a scam NEMstake asset on the NXT AE: https://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/market/16349551126838875261

When buying NEMstake, make sure the asset id is 12465186738101000735.

Be careful!!
But two assets is not allowed with the same name?

It is allowed, otherwise the "best" names could be blocked.
User/buyer has to check the asset ID.

How many people will ever check the ID? Even a simple scam on the BTT lately can scam the computer savvy guy.

Unless NXT is only designed for that few people, it is ok. But for main stream? I don't know what to say. Wink
legendary
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Merit: 1000
WARNING:

It looks like there is a scam NEMstake asset on the NXT AE: https://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/market/16349551126838875261

When buying NEMstake, make sure the asset id is 12465186738101000735.

Be careful!!
But two assets is not allowed with the same name?

It is allowed, otherwise the "best" names could be blocked.
User/buyer has to check the asset ID.

Not much of an issue once you look into the market. A glance at the buy/sell depth will alert easily.

Whats the status of the issuance of assets? I had applied well before all the hacking attempts, but have yet to receive it.

Since redemption is very close we're most likely not going to issue any more assets.

Can you at least clear the issuance for all those who applied for the hacking attempts and then stop?

Well?
legendary
Activity: 1059
Merit: 1016
WARNING:

It looks like there is a scam NEMstake asset on the NXT AE: https://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/market/16349551126838875261

When buying NEMstake, make sure the asset id is 12465186738101000735.

Be careful!!
But two assets is not allowed with the same name?

Strangely not in Nxt AE. Apparently the reason is when they were designing it, they did not want people to book a name so that other people cannot use it and have to buy a unique name for a high price.

But if that was true, I think it is definitely a stupid decision.
legendary
Activity: 1181
Merit: 1002
WARNING:

It looks like there is a scam NEMstake asset on the NXT AE: https://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/market/16349551126838875261

When buying NEMstake, make sure the asset id is 12465186738101000735.

Be careful!!
But two assets is not allowed with the same name?

It is allowed, otherwise the "best" names could be blocked.
User/buyer has to check the asset ID.
legendary
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Merit: 1016
“Inflation will erupt even when the supply of money does NOT increase – it depends upon DEMAND. If the people decide to hoard toilet paper because of a coming storm, the price will rise with demand.” - http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/06/inflation-is-not-always-caused-by-change-in-money-supply-deflation-is-engulfing-europe/

What NEM is missing as well as other cryptos is a supply and demand model. When there is demand for NEM more NEM will be created, no demand for NEM then none will be created (would be better if some of the NEM were destroyed. Good article here: http://www.investopedia.com/university/economics/economics3.asp

Supply and demand works both ways.  If demand falls then the system would have to remove NEM from circulation (tax) or some NEMbank would have to create fake demand - both scenarios would be PR disasters.

Give someone a reason to buy NEM if they're being subject to all these taxes / fees / inflation?  Forget it - they'll be walking to the nearest Vanguard Investment Branch or would be looking at real estate investments.


Obviously I am not blind and I see what you are attempting to do.  You want us to implement eMunie's system but eMunie's system has long been debated on Bitcointalk and most people are against it.



I am not trying to get NEM to implement eMunie's system, I don't think it will work (the supply and demand model).

I am just pointing point out economics 101, but as seems to be the case around here, if someone takes a different approach then that must mean they have a agenda. If you want NEM to be a success then take a look at what other cryptos are doing (besides NXT), there are some good ideas out there.

In anycase, the concept of inflation and money supply is not what NEM is built upon. This is crypto 2.0 we are talking about and not inflation. Crypto 2.0 is an enablement technology and not a money supply solution. That you find in the 600 altcoins, Bitcoins included.

I think we are all barking at the wrong tree.
legendary
Activity: 1700
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WARNING:

It looks like there is a scam NEMstake asset on the NXT AE: https://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/market/16349551126838875261

When buying NEMstake, make sure the asset id is 12465186738101000735.

Be careful!!
But two assets is not allowed with the same name?
hero member
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“Inflation will erupt even when the supply of money does NOT increase – it depends upon DEMAND. If the people decide to hoard toilet paper because of a coming storm, the price will rise with demand.” - http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/06/inflation-is-not-always-caused-by-change-in-money-supply-deflation-is-engulfing-europe/

What NEM is missing as well as other cryptos is a supply and demand model. When there is demand for NEM more NEM will be created, no demand for NEM then none will be created (would be better if some of the NEM were destroyed. Good article here: http://www.investopedia.com/university/economics/economics3.asp

Supply and demand works both ways.  If demand falls then the system would have to remove NEM from circulation (tax) or some NEMbank would have to create fake demand - both scenarios would be PR disasters.

Give someone a reason to buy NEM if they're being subject to all these taxes / fees / inflation?  Forget it - they'll be walking to the nearest Vanguard Investment Branch or would be looking at real estate investments.


Obviously I am not blind and I see what you are attempting to do.  You want us to implement eMunie's system but eMunie's system has long been debated on Bitcointalk and most people are against it.



I am not trying to get NEM to implement eMunie's system, I don't think it will work (the supply and demand model).

I am just pointing point out economics 101, but as seems to be the case around here, if someone takes a different approach then that must mean they have a agenda. If you want NEM to be a success then take a look at what other cryptos are doing (besides NXT), there are some good ideas out there.
legendary
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Hi   I just attempted to log in here to Bicointalk.org, and had trouble with my password - which I hadn't changed.

Was getting nowhere, so I requested a password change, waited - no email was sent to my registered address.

Finally got in via my 'secret question' to find my email address had been changed to a Russian one!

My password for this site btw is around 16 characters/upper/lower/numbers etc   so should be impossible to guess.

I have now changed my email address back to my original one, and changed my password (another long random one)

My PC is clean, no keyloggers or trojans etc

Given that our Btc.Org accounts are our proof of Nem stake, I am concerned this may happen again.

Advice appreciated





gald you got your account back.

@devs, perhaps the "token" or "code" that will be used for redemption should be sent out ASAP to prevent any more lost accounts for what ever reasons?

Actually,  we should have the email account sent instead. THis is all going to be messy as we do not know who is real and who is fake anymore. It could be a hijack in plan and we don't know.

If we don't know who's fake anymore how would you like to collect those email addresses ? Smiley

Of course now it is too late...If some people listened to me earlier, this may not have been a problem. Wink
legendary
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K-ing®
maybe pm with e-mail and some small amount from BTC address that has been used for paying NEM stake
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I would make it optional (just like token request is optional).  If you want that extra layer of security of being email verified over BTT verified then you send Patmast3r / xtester a message containing your email.

Just a reminder that, once you send out that message, that you delete your sent outbox (so if your BTT is compromised then whoever has your account can't find out what email you gave Patmast3r / Xtester)

Such a pm could also come from an overtaken account so there is really no way to know if the email will be legit.
My advice is to store the token (I hope we can send out really soon) somewhere other than btt and then delete the pm. After that you can do with your btt account whatever you want Smiley

It's an individuals responsibility to report their account being compromised as soon as possible (ASAP).   NEM has been in pre-release for a long time now.  Hasn't there been two previous breaches prior to the current one?  Seems like if you had an account compromised for months and didn't report it then it was probably a forgotten account to begin with.
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