Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 1764. (Read 2985265 times)

Hi mrvegad,

It seems you are extrapolating things out of context and hence, missing the point. The idea with the statement: "everybody begins with an equal opportunity" is not that every person on earth starts with an equal opportunity, rather it should be obvious that in the context in which the statement was made, it meant every stakeholder of NEM begun with an equal opportunity. As for how NEM will reach the average joe and offer financial freedom to others, I think you've heard a lot of plans regarding that. In any case, it will probably take a good amount of time until NEM, and any other crypto for that matter, will reach the average joe. We're planning and thinking hard about these issues but until then there are more pressing issues to solve: launch NEM, make it work, create a vibrant ecosystem, make it simple, build a new economy on a sustainable foundation, nurture the current community, attract new productive and valuable to the community, offer an opportunity even to people who were not between the original stakeholders to bring their contributions to NEM and get rewarded based on those contributions, etc.

Have you reported the guy?

If not, let's do this.

Just so no one is fooled, I am Makoto1337 not makotol337 (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/makotol337-372714).

makotol337 is sending messages to people claiming to be me. My profile is https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/makoto1337-220156

BTT is full of scammers, so be careful.

Thanks for the article, @iaminitnow06. It seems the number of users have escalated to 6 million users. If you note what I have written a while ago here http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2352.msg4130#msg4130 and if you follow some of the various "long stories" that I have written over the last 3 months, you'd realise that whatever was said in the article by Wences Casares of Xapo is very much going to be in the NEM ecosystem with respect to the 6.5B people.

Before I go on, allow me to re-emphasize that NEM is NOT ONLY A CRYPTO COIN. NEM is a platform that seeds an ecosystem. NEM by itself is what we call a Crypto 2.0 at V1 launch.

The ambition of AltNemo is to make the entire ecosystem of NEM into a Crypto 3.0. Crypto 3.0 will take away some of the responsibilities of the likes of XAPO. The irony of the article is that he was talking about the underbanked and the unbanked. Why would the unbanked and underbanked need the services of a Fort Knox?

In my earlier articles I did allude to the underbanked and the unbanked that are going to be drivers for the use of cryptos. I maintain that they will in fact be the drivers of cryptos which coincides with Wences' conclusion.

These 6.5B people with their cell phones will be the drivers.  The projects of AltNemo coined by Makoto as epic was not without a reason. We've realized that mobile devices is the way to drive the usage of the NEM platform. Coupled with a tightly integrated Fast exchange with extended features, AltNemo will set itself apart from the rest of the world and create what we call Crypto 3.0.

AltNemo's design has some elements of the much discussed Supernet. AltNemo has an MWG embedded. AltNemo has a fast exchange. And most importantly, AltNemo's exchange has a different architecture to traditional exchanges like BTC-e, Cryptsy, etc. AltNemo does not store coins and AltNemo provides for fiat <-> crypto exchange.

The design architecture of AltNemo's epic projects are specifically tailored for the underbanked and unbanked. It also takes into consideration that the underbanked and unbanked most probably do not have smartphones or devices and therefore will require another means of transaction method.

Some has asked and think that this is all too quixotic and therefore do not think it will work as a solution. My answer is, things need not be complicated and can be simply designed. They are complicated only if one thinks they are. The design is not rocket science but the thought processes that have gone into it has been an 18-month affair. We hope to have more iterations of our design so that when we finally get to code it, it will be even simpler.

The development of these epic projects will take between 6 to 9 months before they can be put to great use. It can be done in parallel with the existing development of the NEM platform as the NCC is already open source. If we can start our development tomorrow, we should be able to see its launch by the 2nd. quarter 2015, perhaps shortly after the launch of V1.

So, I cannot help but to again plead with all you supporters of NEM out there to support the cause of AltNemo for a better NEM tomorrow. Donations are welcome, otherwise you can participate in the crowdsale . Please visit out website at www.altnemo.com.

everybody begins with an equal opportunity

This is true as long as you:

1: Have money
2: Already know about cryptos.

The same can be said about a company that releases an stock IPO, if you have the money and know about the IPO then you have an equal opportunity.

I would like to hear plans for NEM on how it will get average joe involved. Do you expect them to buy NEM when they have no clue what it is or how it works?
How will people in third world countries get NEM?

Maybe I am misunderstanding what the NEM movement is, is it to help all people with financial freedom and equality of opportunity or just the ones that can afford it?

its all good and well wanting to do that.. but how do you decide who to give some nem to? how do you decide between joe and john? so it falls back to equal opportunity.. if we say we will give free nem to the first 1000 random people who join website x or something, then the original argument of "people don't know about cryptos the give away so how where they able to take part in the NEM the give away" can also be applied to the solution you put forward for that very same problem.. there is no solution to that problem other than what amy put forward which is obviously a pointless effort.

nothing will ever be completely fair and no not everyone will ever get "equal opportunity" but doing things the way nem has done so far seems to be the best procedure thus far when your intention is inclusion of the largest number of people in the most "equal" way possible with out bias towards the wealth of the users.

in terms of setting up a shop selling mugs and key chains so regular joe saop can use nem.. well tbh joe soap couldnt give two sh%ts about key chains mugs or USB's from the "Nem shop". to get joe soap interested, nem would need to have everyday utility.. in order for nem to have the utility required for joe soap to make use or even care about nem we need huge infrastructure to be built up for nem and for sevices that joe soap cares about to make use of the nem protocol. in order for this infrastructure to built we need to bring in those who can build it and support nem in their existing platforms.. joe soap cant do that.. so trying to get joes soap involved at this stage is ludicrous. we need to bring in first those who can build the required infrastructure and setting up a shop or giving away a couple nem to people who have no idea about crypto is NOT going to get the infrastructure built.

i see it as steps on a stair case.. first you need to build the foundations being the code and the original community.. then you move on to bringing in other people(investors, coders, business men) from within the crypto niche in order to grow the base network effect and the value of the coin(which is obviously highly important) and to also start building the infrastructure required. once nem reaches critical mass where so many people from with in crypto and on the outer boarders of crypto are involved in nem, investing, building infrastructure, coding new features, writing articles, spreading the word, growing the network effect through all the necessary avenues, and most of all building the foundations for which joe soap en masse can adopt nem, will joe soap actually start to see value and begin to adopt nem.

if we skip the steps in the middle, and start giving nem to joe soap so early the plan could fall flat on its face and fail miserably. aurora coin is a perfect example.. they handed out a shed load of their coins to thousands of joe soaps all getting equal amounts.. and where are they now?? those coins were DOA when they reached joe soap. and did joe soap give two hoots? no.. cos the infrastructure and services needed to make joe soap give a crap were not their and probably would never have been built because of the fact that the coins were just handed out to joe soaps all over iceland.

my point is.. leaping forward to hand out nem to how ever many joe soaps who know nothing about nem would most likely have little or no affect on the overall nem economy or maybe even a negative one. let the infrastructure be built, let services be created and let nem become actually useful in some way shape or form before handing them out like sweets to anyone who will take them because they will not appreciate what you have just given them in the slightest.. they will not see the potential.. and they most likely will not benefit the nem economy at all until they actually want nem..

+1. Especially now that he has left the Bitcoin foundation http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/andreas-antonopoulos-leaves-bitcoin-foundation-complete-lack-transparency/. It is the right time to strike the metal. 

I'm not sure I agree. A grassroots viral approach for the rest of the non-industrialized world could be incredibly successful. It all comes down to how easy you make things, and how well you promote through grassroots organizations. I have spoke to many people that say they'd get in to this stuff but they don't understand it. You have to put it in a context they understand. For example, if you want to get people that need to wire their kids money over seas in to it, then you make an app or front end that "Feels" that way in context for them but still uses the underlying block chain. If being the resident "pc guy" for my friends family and neighbors has taught me anything, its that low maintenance and ease of use is 99% of it to 90% of people. That is probably why the iPhone was so successful. I hated texting until I had an iphone. It was too alien to me (as ridiculous as that sounds but I know a lot of people that was true for).