Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 1816. (Read 2985265 times)

Quote from: Simakki on August 09, 2014, 04:12:55 PM

When I send an encrypted message via NCC, message text appears in cleartext in my transaction history
Isn't it encoded with recipient's public key? I should not be able to decrypt it.

There are only two sides able to decrypt encrypted (SECURE) messages. Sender and recipient.
(There is key established between those two.)

If you'd try to take a look at this TX i.e in chain explorer, you won't find anything useful, unless there is a bug ;-)
but there definitely isn't, we have tested it multiple times (not only in blockchain but also in our internal tests).

Ok, I thought that was like sending an encrypted email with GPG.

Is there any documentation about how it works?
How is the algorithm named?

Not sure if that's what you want to know, but key agreement is ECDH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_curve_Diffie–Hellman)

Speaking of encrypted messages, I just read Mark Cuban is promoting his private messaging app called Cyber Dust.
http://www.greenbot.com/article/2462430/cyber-dust-review-mark-cubans-private-messaging-app-is-just-too-inconvenient.html
I like that ours is already integrated into NEM.

We really need a mobile app Cheesy

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IMO if NEM delivers mobileapp it will skyrocket and make a difference !

mobileapp? was this planned for the launch? I never heard any dev talking about this, please tell me more!

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Quote from: patmast3r on August 09, 2014, 08:33:34 AM

Quote from: TaunSew on August 09, 2014, 08:26:33 AM

There was a panic dump when Patmast3r said that the official launch would be in November (later clarified that launch =/= official launch but alas it was too late).

I don't necessarily see it being a bad thing as the more weak hands which are eliminated the more presumed stability when NEM is released and that is a good thing. We may disagree with bad distribution but some of those poorly distributed coins can be stable or appreciating especially when held by whale(s) who never sell. For any coin, getting rid of the weak hands and promoting holding should be a priority especially in an early stage as many newcomers don't want to buy into a coin losing value. Everyone wants to be a winner in cryptos even though that might contradict reality.

We saw what happened in the first weeks of the asset exchange, a lot of weak hands were eager to let go of a stake worth $1000+ when they had bought it initially for $2 - $50. If there was no asset exchange, these people would had dumped at launch and then NEM would have immediate PR concerns in trying to persuade people to buy a coin that people are dumping (which is an uphill battle, by the way). It's better to get rid of the weak hands now than at some hypothetical post-launch period.

I agree with almost all of what you say apart from me saying we launch novemeber. I don't think i ever said that Huh

Anyway there is another reason why I think all the impatience is absolute nonsense.
All you impatient folks please answer me this question - What would you do with your NEMs if you had them right now ?

Sell ? - Get a token on the AE and do it there.
Send around just for fun - Check out the alpha.

What else ?
Can you think of anything ?

Why should we launch NEM now if there is no utility yet ?
Don't get me wrong we are trying to launch as soon as possible (and we're aiming pre novemeber) but there is really no reason to rush it.

Look at NODE. They launched. Now what ? No exchange, noone accepts NODE, there is 0 people can do with their NODEs right now. I don't mean to hate on NODE but it's a perfect example of why an earlier launch doesn't necessariliy make a lot of sense.

Although i agree with you, i'm just making a post to remind you that there are individuals who follow NEM, who are stakeholders, who are in absolutely no rush at all. As you've already said, the minority who cause a stir are doing so for one thing; to dump. They're the weak hands who's only purpose on board the project was to turn over a quick buck.

There's plenty on less vocal individuals who follow this forum - myself included - who intend to be in this for the long term.

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Quote from: Simakki on August 09, 2014, 04:12:55 PM

Quote from: loyer on August 09, 2014, 04:08:34 PM

Quote from: asdlolciterquit on August 09, 2014, 03:54:03 PM

Quote from: wakasaki96744 on August 09, 2014, 01:39:28 PM

Quote from: twistelaar on August 09, 2014, 01:28:47 PM

How much 1 nem stake? Where can I see it?? thanks

Quote from: loyer on August 09, 2014, 04:08:34 PM

price has felt down Sad

Crazy, there is a reason for?

Not really, just the dumb(ers). Alpha working well and many good features and plans coming up every week. IMO if NEM delivers mobileapp it will skyrocket and make a difference !

the true mobile app is fundamental! Is it in planning?

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Quote from: asdlolciterquit on August 09, 2014, 03:54:03 PM

Quote from: wakasaki96744 on August 09, 2014, 01:39:28 PM

Quote from: twistelaar on August 09, 2014, 01:28:47 PM

How much 1 nem stake? Where can I see it?? thanks

Quote from: asdlolciterquit on August 09, 2014, 03:54:03 PM

price has felt down Sad

Crazy, there is a reason for?

Not really, just the dumb(ers). Alpha working well and many good features and plans coming up every week. IMO if NEM delivers mobileapp it will skyrocket and make a difference !

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Quote from: wakasaki96744 on August 09, 2014, 01:39:28 PM

Quote from: twistelaar on August 09, 2014, 01:28:47 PM

How much 1 nem stake? Where can I see it?? thanks

Quote from: wakasaki96744 on August 09, 2014, 01:39:28 PM

price has felt down Sad

Crazy, there is a reason for?

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Quote from: twistelaar on August 09, 2014, 01:28:47 PM

How much 1 nem stake? Where can I see it?? thanks

Quote from: twistelaar on August 09, 2014, 01:28:47 PM

price has felt down Sad

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How much 1 nem stake? Where can I see it?? thanks

Quote from: patmast3r on August 09, 2014, 08:33:34 AM

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How much 1 nem stake? Where can I see it?? thanks

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Quote from: TaunSew on August 09, 2014, 08:26:33 AM

There was a panic dump when Patmast3r said that the official launch would be in November (later clarified that launch =/= official launch but alas it was too late).

I don't necessarily see it being a bad thing as the more weak hands which are eliminated the more presumed stability when NEM is released and that is a good thing. We may disagree with bad distribution but some of those poorly distributed coins can be stable or appreciating especially when held by whale(s) who never sell. For any coin, getting rid of the weak hands and promoting holding should be a priority especially in an early stage as many newcomers don't want to buy into a coin losing value. Everyone wants to be a winner in cryptos even though that might contradict reality.

We saw what happened in the first weeks of the asset exchange, a lot of weak hands were eager to let go of a stake worth $1000+ when they had bought it initially for $2 - $50. If there was no asset exchange, these people would had dumped at launch and then NEM would have immediate PR concerns in trying to persuade people to buy a coin that people are dumping (which is an uphill battle, by the way). It's better to get rid of the weak hands now than at some hypothetical post-launch period.

I agree with almost all of what you say apart from me saying we launch novemeber. I don't think i ever said that Huh

Anyway there is another reason why I think all the impatience is absolute nonsense.
All you impatient folks please answer me this question - What would you do with your NEMs if you had them right now ?

Sell ? - Get a token on the AE and do it there.
Send around just for fun - Check out the alpha.

What else ?
Can you think of anything ?

Why should we launch NEM now if there is no utility yet ?
Don't get me wrong we are trying to launch as soon as possible (and we're aiming pre novemeber) but there is really no reason to rush it.

Look at NODE. They launched. Now what ? No exchange, noone accepts NODE, there is 0 people can do with their NODEs right now. I don't mean to hate on NODE but it's a perfect example of why an earlier launch doesn't necessariliy make a lot of sense.

these are the words i want to hear from a dev! great!

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Quote from: Fernandez on August 09, 2014, 07:06:23 AM

NEM on AE is dropping steadily. A month back it was the talk, but it has died down. The crypto scene here is a fickle lot.
When the next phase is open we will see what the value is.

yes, the length of the development i fear is starting to damage this coin. as long as what is released is great, price will come back. if its not great, we have a problem.

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Quote from: Spider on August 09, 2014, 10:31:27 AM

https://i.imgur.com/FeKjsha.png?1

Shocked

You're so kind

great screenshot

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Quote from: gimre on August 09, 2014, 09:56:59 AM

Quote from: some1 on August 09, 2014, 09:31:46 AM

Quote from: some1 on August 09, 2014, 09:31:46 AM

When I send an encrypted message via NCC, message text appears in cleartext in my transaction history
Isn't it encoded with recipient's public key? I should not be able to decrypt it.

There are only two sides able to decrypt encrypted (SECURE) messages. Sender and recipient.
(There is key established between those two.)

If you'd try to take a look at this TX i.e in chain explorer, you won't find anything useful, unless there is a bug ;-)
but there definitely isn't, we have tested it multiple times (not only in blockchain but also in our internal tests).

Ok, I thought that was like sending an encrypted email with GPG.

Is there any documentation about how it works?
How is the algorithm named?

Not sure if that's what you want to know, but key agreement is ECDH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_curve_Diffie–Hellman)

Speaking of encrypted messages, I just read Mark Cuban is promoting his private messaging app called Cyber Dust.
http://www.greenbot.com/article/2462430/cyber-dust-review-mark-cubans-private-messaging-app-is-just-too-inconvenient.html
I like that ours is already integrated into NEM.

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You're so kind

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Quote from: patmast3r on August 09, 2014, 08:33:34 AM

When I send an encrypted message via NCC, message text appears in cleartext in my transaction history
Isn't it encoded with recipient's public key? I should not be able to decrypt it.

There are only two sides able to decrypt encrypted (SECURE) messages. Sender and recipient.
(There is key established between those two.)

If you'd try to take a look at this TX i.e in chain explorer, you won't find anything useful, unless there is a bug ;-)
but there definitely isn't, we have tested it multiple times (not only in blockchain but also in our internal tests).

Ok, I thought that was like sending an encrypted email with GPG.

Is there any documentation about how it works?
How is the algorithm named?

Not sure if that's what you want to know, but key agreement is ECDH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_curve_Diffie–Hellman)

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Quote from: TaunSew on August 09, 2014, 08:26:33 AM

There was a panic dump when Patmast3r said that the official launch would be in November (later clarified that launch =/= official launch but alas it was too late).

I don't necessarily see it being a bad thing as the more weak hands which are eliminated the more presumed stability when NEM is released and that is a good thing. We may disagree with bad distribution but some of those poorly distributed coins can be stable or appreciating especially when held by whale(s) who never sell. For any coin, getting rid of the weak hands and promoting holding should be a priority especially in an early stage as many newcomers don't want to buy into a coin losing value. Everyone wants to be a winner in cryptos even though that might contradict reality.

We saw what happened in the first weeks of the asset exchange, a lot of weak hands were eager to let go of a stake worth $1000+ when they had bought it initially for $2 - $50. If there was no asset exchange, these people would had dumped at launch and then NEM would have immediate PR concerns in trying to persuade people to buy a coin that people are dumping (which is an uphill battle, by the way). It's better to get rid of the weak hands now than at some hypothetical post-launch period.

I agree with almost all of what you say apart from me saying we launch novemeber. I don't think i ever said that Huh

Anyway there is another reason why I think all the impatience is absolute nonsense.
All you impatient folks please answer me this question - What would you do with your NEMs if you had them right now ?

Sell ? - Get a token on the AE and do it there.
Send around just for fun - Check out the alpha.

What else ?
Can you think of anything ?

Why should we launch NEM now if there is no utility yet ?
Don't get me wrong we are trying to launch as soon as possible (and we're aiming pre novemeber) but there is really no reason to rush it.

Look at NODE. They launched. Now what ? No exchange, noone accepts NODE, there is 0 people can do with their NODEs right now. I don't mean to hate on NODE but it's a perfect example of why an earlier launch doesn't necessariliy make a lot of sense.

Good point. At least NEM will launch on >= 1 exchanges. The first week is super important for publicity and first impressions matter. We have to do this right.

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Quote from: Fernandez on August 09, 2014, 07:06:23 AM

Quote from: jenea4pda on August 09, 2014, 04:21:54 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on August 09, 2014, 01:47:56 AM

Guys plz vote for us. Another exchange at launch would be cool

https://hitbtc.com/vote

Look at that ! Another thing every stakeholder can do.

put my voice there, didn't find NEM on bter

p.s. it's really pity to see NEM stakes on second place in AE Cry

p.s.s. Would be somebody so kindly to sent me few NEM coins ?

NEM on AE is dropping steadily. A month back it was the talk, but it has died down. The crypto scene here is a fickle lot.
When the next phase is open we will see what the value is.

Once stake claiming starts, it'll pop up again.

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