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If we could have 1/3 of the stakeholders here like you, this thing will just fly, no doubt! And I hope there are. We need everyone to play their role in order that this whole thing succeed. After all, nothing much was taken out of everyone in the beginning, merely ~ 0.033BTC on the average. Despite that, we have quite a number of dedicated people to at least come out with the Alpha.

Like everyone else, we are all impatient, but we have to help ourselves to get this off the ground at an even faster pace. The only way is to get more resources.

@Makoto, may I suggest that we just launch a crowdsale with some silver and gold rounds that are designed specifically for NEM. Have a limited edition series. At least, this way, people are not just putting in money but get back something that gives them some value, one day into the future. Even if the price is 3 times that of an equivalent silver coin (including the cost of the special design and small quantity issue costs) at $60-$65, this is nothing at about 0.125BTC. Silver is at a decent low level now and in line with the world economy, this can only go up in price later. So is gold.

This is a great idea!

Silver is super cheap right now compared with where it has been. I think it can only go up from here.

If we include 100 NEM as a cold wallet on each of the coins, then we can spread NEM as well.
For gold coins, we could have 1000 NEM or so.

Having physical NEM coins would be excellent for promotion and give people a way to hold NEM in their hands. I don't think we could understate the psychological connection it will build with people.

I created a thread to discuss ideas here and I'll add the idea about gold and silver NEM coins: http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2337.msg3939#msg3939



+10000000000 for both of you guys, seriously!!!
I love both of you for this!

We can hit the floor now and cry, or just roll up our sleeves and take a look forward.
It's our choice!

We have a huge thing here and a lot to do.
So .. let's show the world, what we are made of! Smiley
legendary
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Everyone selling today, will (and should!) cry tomorrow .. Remember this words, guys! Smiley

I will remember your words for sure! The "parallel" plans are going to shake the world of cryptos. The mobile apps and the fast trading exchange are nothing seen before. These are the two most important elements in the ecosystem and will complement and make it work like a charm. If we start now, we should see daylight with it sometime 1Q 2015, which is probably about the end of V1 or a couple of months after that. Then we will see the dawn of great things to happen.


Alas, this won't kick off if there are no resources.
legendary
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Just wrote this ..

And sry. for saying that guys; but from these 155 Stakes to sell, you should really give the proceeds of min. the half of them to the promotion.
We'll have a lot of running charges there.
400 Stakes for the development are ok, but they are worth nothing, if we are not able to sell them.
I'm afraid, that these 100 Stakes, the marketing has right now, are proportional a little to undercharged for the long haul.
You can not run an apparatus like this in long term, when you have at least just 2,5% of it as budget for it's advertisement and promotion.
It's impossible to generate big money and awareness out of that. Also you won't find any great company, doing it so.
To be real economical, I would even say you should at least min. double this amount.

and this ..

There's just another idea and I know I'll maybe not find many friends with that one.
But every stakeholder should have the responsibility to pay another 10k units in an extra bank for the future marketing.
This will be the most important instrument and we haven't payed much for our stakes at all.
With 3k people, each spending just 10k untits, the Nem marketing bank would have another 30mio. coins, which I think would be ok for the beginning.
The benefit from it in %, calculated with ~ 1mio. units, would be much greater than this 10k bucks for each person.
Together with Nem early this year, this 10k would be the 2nd chance of an good investment for the stakeholders.
This should be another thing we have to vote about.
The markets are so flat, the price would regulate itself alone, just because the people don't have the feeling to own 1 000 000 Nem (sooooo much  Shocked), but "just"  this 990 000.
It will be much harder for them to sell, I'm pretty sure.

Write it down on the frontpage! The Stakeholders should vote about it via pm.
You should give them at least 2 - 4 weeks. This has to be fair enough.
Each one who's not voting, is failing his part and responsibility as a holder.
We'll need to build up an ecosystem!... And everyone who isn't able to see this, should better sell his stake anyway.
At the begining no one really knew what was coming towards us.
But it takes what it takes.. And if you need more money, no matter for what, than you take the holders back to their responsibilty.
(Btw. this was what I meant, we should talk about in our promotion ..
3000 People from all over the world, all of them with different minds, but also the same goal.. TO MAKE NEM A success! ..
And to build up a unique community, focussed and full of trust and fairness!!! )

Now the time has come, to prove what we are and which spirit we have.
We are an economy! We are THE Movement!

.. Let's act like this!



PS:
Like I said before, too.
I won't sell my 1 MILLION Nem for less than 10 - 15k.
And I hope all of you guys are with me at this point!!!

If we could have 1/3 of the stakeholders here like you, this thing will just fly, no doubt! And I hope there are. We need everyone to play their role in order that this whole thing succeed. After all, nothing much was taken out of everyone in the beginning, merely ~ 0.033BTC on the average. Despite that, we have quite a number of dedicated people to at least come out with the Alpha.

Like everyone else, we are all impatient, but we have to help ourselves to get this off the ground at an even faster pace. The only way is to get more resources.

@Makoto, may I suggest that we just launch a crowdsale with some silver and gold rounds that are designed specifically for NEM. Have a limited edition series. At least, this way, people are not just putting in money but get back something that gives them some value, one day into the future. Even if the price is 3 times that of an equivalent silver coin (including the cost of the special design and small quantity issue costs) at $60-$65, this is nothing at about 0.125BTC. Silver is at a decent low level now and in line with the world economy, this can only go up in price later. So is gold.

This is a great idea!

Silver is super cheap right now compared with where it has been. I think it can only go up from here.

If we include 100 NEM as a cold wallet on each of the coins, then we can spread NEM as well.
For gold coins, we could have 1000 NEM or so.

Having physical NEM coins would be excellent for promotion and give people a way to hold NEM in their hands. I don't think we could understate the psychological connection it will build with people.

I created a thread to discuss ideas here and I'll add the idea about gold and silver NEM coins: http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2337.msg3939#msg3939
legendary
Activity: 1059
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Just wrote this ..

And sry. for saying that guys; but from these 155 Stakes to sell, you should really give the proceeds of min. the half of them to the promotion.
We'll have a lot of running charges there.
400 Stakes for the development are ok, but they are worth nothing, if we are not able to sell them.
I'm afraid, that these 100 Stakes, the marketing has right now, are proportional a little to undercharged for the long haul.
You can not run an apparatus like this in long term, when you have at least just 2,5% of it as budget for it's advertisement and promotion.
It's impossible to generate big money and awareness out of that. Also you won't find any great company, doing it so.
To be real economical, I would even say you should at least min. double this amount.

and this ..

There's just another idea and I know I'll maybe not find many friends with that one.
But every stakeholder should have the responsibility to pay another 10k units in an extra bank for the future marketing.
This will be the most important instrument and we haven't payed much for our stakes at all.
With 3k people, each spending just 10k untits, the Nem marketing bank would have another 30mio. coins, which I think would be ok for the beginning.
The benefit from it in %, calculated with ~ 1mio. units, would be much greater than this 10k bucks for each person.
Together with Nem early this year, this 10k would be the 2nd chance of an good investment for the stakeholders.
This should be another thing we have to vote about.
The markets are so flat, the price would regulate itself alone, just because the people don't have the feeling to own 1 000 000 Nem (sooooo much  Shocked), but "just"  this 990 000.
It will be much harder for them to sell, I'm pretty sure.

Write it down on the frontpage! The Stakeholders should vote about it via pm.
You should give them at least 2 - 4 weeks. This has to be fair enough.
Each one who's not voting, is failing his part and responsibility as a holder.
We'll need to build up an ecosystem!... And everyone who isn't able to see this, should better sell his stake anyway.
At the begining no one really knew what was coming towards us.
But it takes what it takes.. And if you need more money, no matter for what, than you take the holders back to their responsibilty.
(Btw. this was what I meant, we should talk about in our promotion ..
3000 People from all over the world, all of them with different minds, but also the same goal.. TO MAKE NEM A success! ..
And to build up a unique community, focussed and full of trust and fairness!!! )

Now the time has come, to prove what we are and which spirit we have.
We are an economy! We are THE Movement!

.. Let's act like this!



PS:
Like I said before, too.
I won't sell my 1 MILLION Nem for less than 10 - 15k.
And I hope all of you guys are with me at this point!!!

If we could have 1/3 of the stakeholders here like you, this thing will just fly, no doubt! And I hope there are. We need everyone to play their role in order that this whole thing succeed. After all, nothing much was taken out of everyone in the beginning, merely ~ 0.033BTC on the average. Despite that, we have quite a number of dedicated people to at least come out with the Alpha.

Like everyone else, we are all impatient, but we have to help ourselves to get this off the ground at an even faster pace. The only way is to get more resources.

@Makoto, may I suggest that we just launch a crowdsale with some silver and gold rounds that are designed specifically for NEM. Have a limited edition series. At least, this way, people are not just putting in money but get back something that gives them some value, one day into the future. Even if the price is 3 times that of an equivalent silver coin (including the cost of the special design and small quantity issue costs) at $60-$65, this is nothing at about 0.125BTC. Silver is at a decent low level now and in line with the world economy, this can only go up in price later. So is gold.
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PS:
Like I said before, too.
I won't sell my 1 MILLION Nem for less than 10 - 15k.


Kind of hard to sell something you don't have.  Grin

Haha Cheesy

Yes.. But wait my friend, the day will come. Smiley

40mio. - 60mio. marketcap are absolutely possible for this project Smiley
@ Least just the "geeks" are buying/selling their coins, via asset exchange.
From now on, we'll have a long road to really reach the costumer market. (Actually "Bitcoin" hasn't reached this yet, too)
It's just (not even) the beginning of our journey, so far.

Let's wait until we'll reach the real market ( @ least minimum the exchanges ). Also without the "bugs" of "coinmarketcap.com".
The price will get dumped at the beginning (many people will sell their coins, direct with the release) anyway. Also I think with the beta, it will be still higher than this days.
Most people don't even recognize Nem, just because for some reason it's listed on rank 315 (which, is wrong of course!), or so..^^
They won't buy, what they don't see^^ Smiley
It's very cheap right now.

Everyone selling today, will (and should!) cry tomorrow .. Remember this words, guys! Smiley
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PS:
Like I said before, too.
I won't sell my 1 MILLION Nem for less than 10 - 15k.


Kind of hard to sell something you don't have.  Grin
sr. member
Activity: 275
Merit: 250
Just wrote this ..

And sry. for saying that guys; but from these 155 Stakes to sell, you should really give the proceeds of min. the half of them to the promotion.
We'll have a lot of running charges there.
400 Stakes for the development are ok, but they are worth nothing, if we are not able to sell them.
I'm afraid, that these 100 Stakes, the marketing has right now, are proportional a little to undercharged for the long haul.
You can not run an apparatus like this in long term, when you have at least just 2,5% of it as budget for it's advertisement and promotion.
It's impossible to generate big money and awareness out of that. Also you won't find any great company, doing it so.
To be real economical, I would even say you should at least min. double this amount.

and this ..

There's just another idea and I know I'll maybe not find many friends with that one.
But every stakeholder should have the responsibility to pay another 10k units in an extra bank for the future marketing.
This will be the most important instrument and we haven't payed much for our stakes at all.
With 3k people, each spending just 10k untits, the Nem marketing bank would have another 30mio. coins, which I think would be ok for the beginning.
The benefit from it in %, calculated with ~ 1mio. units, would be much greater than this 10k bucks for each person.
Together with Nem early this year, this 10k would be the 2nd chance of an good investment for the stakeholders.
This should be another thing we have to vote about.
The markets are so flat, the price would regulate itself alone, just because the people don't have the feeling to own 1 000 000 Nem (sooooo much  Shocked), but "just"  this 990 000.
It will be much harder for them to sell, I'm pretty sure.

Write it down on the frontpage! The Stakeholders should vote about it via pm.
You should give them at least 2 - 4 weeks. This has to be fair enough.
Each one who's not voting, is failing his part and responsibility as a holder.
We'll need to build up an ecosystem!... And everyone who isn't able to see this, should better sell his stake anyway.
At the begining no one really knew what was coming towards us.
But it takes what it takes.. And if you need more money, no matter for what, than you take the holders back to their responsibilty.
(Btw. this was what I meant, we should talk about in our promotion ..
3000 People from all over the world, all of them with different minds, but also the same goal.. TO MAKE NEM A success! ..
And to build up a unique community, focussed and full of trust and fairness!!! )

Now the time has come, to prove what we are and which spirit we have.
We are an economy! We are THE Movement!

.. Let's act like this!



PS:
Like I said before, too.
I won't sell my 1 MILLION Nem for less than 10 - 15k.
And I hope all of you guys are with me at this point!!!
legendary
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I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
If every stakeholder was doing their part,The devs would not need to discuss raising more funds.

Let's not forget that this is supposed to be a call for participation. Now that nemstakes are on AE, I understand why someone that payed $1000+ for a stake feels that they have done their part, but there are still 2,000+ people who haven't stepped up.

As far as raising funds, what about selling off a portion of the "auctionable stakes", and using those proceeds for the development fund?

We want to create a parallel fund to build the ecosystem, that is separate from the dev fund. There are some specific ideas, such as hiring app devs to create mobile apps. In 2014, a coin should really be mobile-first if it wants to gain traction with the general population.
legendary
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I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
If anyone keeps track of the progress and release of crypto 2.0 coins, you will notice that there are several promising projects that have been raising a lot of funds, among which are MaidSafe and Ethereum. Unlike these other projects, NEM was created without a large amount of initial funding, giving away most of the stakes for free or for trivial amounts of money. This is good, because it sets us apart from other coins, as a movement marked by equality of opportunity and solidarity without envy.

However, it is also important to realize that in order for NEM to reach its full potential, the community needs to come together and create a vibrant ecosystem that can meet the future needs of our users.

Towards this end, we are planning to prepare to work towards creating key projects required for a comprehensive ecosystem, with an emphasis on mobile apps and a fast, secure exchange, that will fully utilize our upcoming P2P asset exchange. To build this infrastructure, we need to raise funds to compete with the likes of MaidSafe and Ethereum.

Rather than centralize more power with the dev team, we are considering promoting a separate entity that would create and maintain several key ecosystem projects. To create this entity, we should have serious funding to hire full time programmers to work in parallel with the core dev team. This would help us to hit the ground at full speed, right at V1 launch.

If you have any ideas for good ways to raise significant funds (hundreds of BTC), please post them here. I am interested in what kind of thoughts and ideas people have.



You should be very careful. Plans to raise further funds can crash everything, cause people want out of NEM.

In my opinion you should release the coin. And after stabilizing at a price you can decide wether you want to sell development stakes, or do some fundraing for an explicit project.

Talking at this time about needing more money is almost as bad as spreading FUD.

We need good news, and we need the coin in the wallets of the people. We don´t need every possible feature at the beginning.

If the coins will be accepted, people will come to support the further projects.



It's important to work in parallel with development to create some key ecosystem projects. We have some specific plans at this point and a strategy. The only problem now is resources.

To be clear, this is for ecosystem dev, not the NEM core dev. NEM core dev has funding currently, thanks to UP's dev fund (though I wish we had a thousand BTC so some of the devs could go full time and speed things up).

People will soon lose interest and the price of NEM will crash after launch if there is not a comprehensive ecosystem in place.

So does anyone have any specific ideas on raising funds that are external to NEM core dev and for building an ecosystem?
legendary
Activity: 1596
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I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
If anyone keeps track of the progress and release of crypto 2.0 coins, you will notice that there are several promising projects that have been raising a lot of funds, among which are MaidSafe and Ethereum. Unlike these other projects, NEM was created without a large amount of initial funding, giving away most of the stakes for free or for trivial amounts of money. This is good, because it sets us apart from other coins, as a movement marked by equality of opportunity and solidarity without envy.

However, it is also important to realize that in order for NEM to reach its full potential, the community needs to come together and create a vibrant ecosystem that can meet the future needs of our users.

Towards this end, we are planning to prepare to work towards creating key projects required for a comprehensive ecosystem, with an emphasis on mobile apps and a fast, secure exchange, that will fully utilize our upcoming P2P asset exchange. To build this infrastructure, we need to raise funds to compete with the likes of MaidSafe and Ethereum.

Rather than centralize more power with the dev team, we are considering promoting a separate entity that would create and maintain several key ecosystem projects. To create this entity, we should have serious funding to hire full time programmers to work in parallel with the core dev team. This would help us to hit the ground at full speed, right at V1 launch.

If you have any ideas for good ways to raise significant funds (hundreds of BTC), please post them here. I am interested in what kind of thoughts and ideas people have.

Weren´t there allready development fund for operations like that ? If everything goes as a planned one stake should be at least 2k-5k, so why you just use those funds to pay salaries etc. ?

According to the draft development contract, that is not supposed to be touched until after V1. Anyway, those funds are pittance funds. What can 100BTC do? Not much.

We need real resources to fund such an important development.

10% - reserved for the core development team to fund development of the NCC and NIS up to the release of V.1 of the blockchain.
10% - reserved for the core development team to fund development of the NCC and NIS after the release of V.1 of the blockchain.
5% - reserved for the extended development team; those who are working on promoting NEM and the NEM ecosystem

are you saying that 25% will be just 100btc and the market for NEM will plummet to something like 250 000 dollars Huh

Even with marketcap of 5 000 000 million, development fund should be considered significant in any way!

How does one get hold of those funds? Coins are not released yet and there is no NEM coins in circulation. Plus the NEM stakes are for the community to claim, not for development. To me it was an oversight and everything is snookered here.

Further, the funds were meant to fund the current core team for their work until V1. Post V1, there will be some 10% left. But that is too late. We cannot be serially acting on roll outs. If there is a way to do things parallel, we should look at that as an alternative.

Hmm but could something like crowdsale be harmful original stakeholders and the NEM itself, if the parallel coin get all the hype. If you remember situation with maidsafe and mastercoin...

There is no plan for a parallel coin.

By crowdsale, we mean selling something related to NEM. For example, NEM designer clothing or some physical good like that.
legendary
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I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
August 8 and August 11 not far into the future.  NEM to hit $1500?  NxT and AE is going to the moon soon.


What is happening on the 8th? 11th?

8th, digital good store and loads other stuff going live on nxt so price should get a very healthy boost and in turn so should nem. if nxt was to ever go parabolic before nem hits any other exchanges, it would make sense that the stakes on the AE would rise in price also cos of people speculating to make more nxt same way alts rise during bitcoin bubble.. but who knows if nxt would go parabolic.. one can dream lol
  SHit my bad thought I was in the NEM thread.

Me too!

Just to be clear, the NXT price will raise because whales will pump it up, blaming the increase on the new feature.
Then will come the dump. That's just how this game is played with any market with so little volume.
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August 8 and August 11 not far into the future.  NEM to hit $1500?  NxT and AE is going to the moon soon.


What is happening on the 8th? 11th?

8th, digital good store and loads other stuff going live on nxt so price should get a very healthy boost and in turn so should nem. if nxt was to ever go parabolic before nem hits any other exchanges, it would make sense that the stakes on the AE would rise in price also cos of people speculating to make more nxt same way alts rise during bitcoin bubble.. but who knows if nxt would go parabolic.. one can dream lol
  SHit my bad thought I was in the NEM thread.
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August 8 and August 11 not far into the future.  NEM to hit $1500?  NxT and AE is going to the moon soon.


What is happening on the 8th? 11th?
legendary
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I think both logos were very good. I'm glad we have a designer like Loi working with us.
It took half a year, but I think we have an excellent logo now!  Cheesy Thank you, tomoe, for your service... Cry

Now that this is decided, let's work together to try to build NEM and create a movement for global monetary change!
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August 8 and August 11 not far into the future.  NEM to hit $1500?  NxT and AE is going to the moon soon.
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I am proud to present the logo voting results.  

It was a narrow contest but the winner is the Fan logo with 53% of the votes.  

Results can be seen in the link provided here: Logo Vote Results


Thanks for the update kod.

Just so people know, our designer, Loi, will start working on a professional branding package to be used along with the new official logo across all our platforms. So during the following weeks we will focus on updating/filtering/simplifying information on our threads OP, establishing our brand and spreading some quality press releases about NEM in the media.

Will post some more details as we make progress.
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Step into a world!! A P2P world!
great news!!

Good logo too!!

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Logo voting has finally ended, we will announce results shortly.

Just waiting for kodtycoon or rockethead to come online.
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One hour left. Already feel happy the logo discussion is almost over.

It will be great to see NEM with a new logo and branding package which Loi will immediately start to work on.  Smiley
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Never back down !!!
If every stakeholder was doing their part,The devs would not need to discuss raising more funds.

Let's not forget that this is supposed to be a call for participation. Now that nemstakes are on AE, I understand why someone that payed $1000+ for a stake feels that they have done their part, but there are still 2,000+ people who haven't stepped up.

As far as raising funds, what about selling off a portion of the "auctionable stakes", and using those proceeds for the development fund?

And what shall the stakeholder do?

The coin hasn´t launched and we got no coins.

First of all we have to go live. I don´t see tasks for the community besides this crazy logo thing.

Here's a crazy idea. Check out the alpha and give feedback Smiley
That's something that is very valuable and everyone can do.

Come up with ideas for:
  • community events
  • business models
  • apps for nem (besides the obvious ones like a wallet)
  • anything that is usefull for the ecosystem



1. communtiy events
I think not really important.

2. business models
I thought this should be an everyday currency, so for what a business model?

3. apps

    NEM is built 100% from scratch and is not a fork of Bitcoin or Nxt.
    NEM improves different features of Bitcoin and Nxt, being more efficient and environmentally friendly.
    NEM 100% innovative Proof-of-Importance algorithm.
    NEM business rules.
    NEM Eigentrust++ peer reputation management.
    NEM improved decentralized asset exchange.
    NEM one click, auto-updatable install client.
    NEM simple mobile wallet for both IOS and Android.

Enough features for the start. A platform where guys are putting feature after feature and working on a dozen different projects is already there, it is called NXT. We should find our own USP. And until now I thought it is the " simple for everybody" thing

4. eco system
What does this mean? There is no ecosystem, we don´t have a coin yet. And honestly why should we start marketing and then tell the people to wait until NOVEMBER, maybe. That will result in diappointment. WE NEED THE COIN FIRST.
Besides that I am not a coder. But who can work on Fiat-gateways, etc. if there is no coin yet.


I think we shouldn´t walk the NXT way. Just build an solid coin, release it. Choose the most important project, work on it, release, and so on.
And we should focus on the easy to use thing. easy mobile app, easy wallet, easy payment. one click. intuitive.

And I don´t see a reason to build a decentralized marketplace. There are already plenty of it. And in NOVEMBER!!!!! (I hope the launch will be much earlier) there will be more marketplaces.

I hope this lack of a clear strategy is just based on my missing information and not of devs missing plans.



Don´t get me wrong, I am keen on NEM, I bought stakes at the ae, and I am not going to sell them. I am not pushing to dump, but I am pushing cause the hype around NEM is decreasing and a lot of project are coming. Time is working against us.


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