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Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 1857. (Read 2984910 times)

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Ethereum has the Goldmansach's connection and they presumably have angel investors with deep pockets.  They're making it look like Ethereum actually has demand and a following but we know the opposite to be true - Ethereum forum is essentially dead, almost nobody talks about it on Bitcointalk (and those who did hate it), so Ethereum in a nutshell is another ponzi scheme ran by a few wealthy investors and they're going the copywrighting route like Mastercoin and Maxcoin (spamming lame articles and videos all over the place).

Stop posting frud about other projects and coins, ahem "no envy movement"  troll.  There are plenty of people investing. It's the most hyped gen 2.0 project for months and there is no cap.  They did plenty of marketing, attended dozens of conferences, and there is no reason why there shouldn't be a large investment when there is no cap 
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They already had $1 million before coindesk article and a thread on BTT.  Where's this money coming from?  Maidsafe IPO had laundered MtGox Bitcoins and Maidsafe corporation and angel investors buying their own coin and that went to $8 million.  What happened to Maidsafe?  Well the volume afterwards became a joke because 99% of it was all internal buying.


Ethereum has the Goldmansach's connection and they presumably have angel investors with deep pockets.  They're making it look like Ethereum actually has demand and a following but we know the opposite to be true - Ethereum forum is essentially dead, almost nobody talks about it on Bitcointalk (and those who did hate it), so Ethereum in a nutshell is another ponzi scheme ran by a few wealthy investors and they're going the copywrighting route like Mastercoin and Maxcoin (spamming lame articles and videos all over the place).
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some pages ago you were talking about the Ethereum.


Just take a look:

http://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-launches-ether-coin-millions-already-sold/

 Shocked

If Im not wrong on my calculus its 3,5 k BTC

Someone believes strongly, like I believe in Nem, at this coin.

They've sold already 10,722,486 ETH. That's 10,722,486/2000 = 5361,243 BTC = 3,332,281$ = 3,3M$ and they got it just in 24h Shocked

One thing is pretty clear. They have plenty of money to hire high paid developers and marketing money to team up with big companies and and banks. If they don't screw up the launch  later in the winter, I think they have pretty good chance to challenge BTC for #1 spot.
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Finally got around to getting the alpha running.  Looks Great!!
Check Out my New Sig!    Cool

Send me some nem if you have some to share!

Sent some nem to you Smiley
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@instacash: your nodes are all inactive and haven't been showing up in #ournem irc. What happened?
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some pages ago you were talking about the Ethereum.


Just take a look:

http://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-launches-ether-coin-millions-already-sold/

 Shocked

If Im not wrong on my calculus its 3,5 k BTC

Someone believes strongly, like I believe in Nem, at this coin.

They've sold already 10,722,486 ETH. That's 10,722,486/2000 = 5361,243 BTC = 3,332,281$ = 3,3M$ and they got it just in 24h Shocked

https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2  。。。
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Radix-The Decentralized Finance Protocol
some pages ago you were talking about the Ethereum.


Just take a look:

http://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-launches-ether-coin-millions-already-sold/

 Shocked

If Im not wrong on my calculus its 3,5 k BTC

Someone believes strongly, like I believe in Nem, at this coin.

They've sold already 10,722,486 ETH. That's 10,722,486/2000 = 5361,243 BTC = 3,332,281$ = 3,3M$ and they got it just in 24h Shocked
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Radix-The Decentralized Finance Protocol
Hi Guys! Just for info - ethereum begins ether sale(https://www.ethereum.org/)  ...it's really not bad  Shocked just 2000 ethers for 1 btc Cheesy
Cheers

why do you think is a good price?

It depends. I think it is very good for them and for investors as well if they can raise a lot fund. In my view, Ethereum has the Bitcoin challenger status while NEM has NXT challenger status. 2015 would be very interesting as a lot of new projects going to fruition. BUT everyone should hope that Bitcoin stays strong, get bigger or at least stay at this level and not deflate  to sub 300 level.  
of course matter of good price was with sarcasm Grin @ARGpentem- what kind of projects( a lot of) are going to fruition on 2015 except of ethereum?

Some coming at the end of the year too like NEM, Bitshare, Crypti, Maidsafe etc. These are the big ones, there are a lot of other smaller ones and that I count non -clone projects only.

Add Nodes, Exo too.
I would add eMunie into this list as well. The very interesting thing about it is its economic model and price stabilizing mechanism.
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Finally got around to getting the alpha running.  Looks Great!!
Check Out my New Sig!    Cool

Send me some nem if you have some to share!
legendary
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maybe some of you know freeNAS: http://www.freenas.org
have this type of nas server running on my own for years know and today i thought i could be a good solution to put NIS service on that NAS machines. NIS plugin runs stable 24/7 in the backround of your home/buisness fileserver, stabilizing the NEM network.

http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Plugins

the marketing effect would be amazing to put NIS into the most widespreaded, non-commercial NAS server solution.

what do you think?
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Etherium will take over Litecoin as #2 on the launch day. No one who is invested is going to sell lower than IPO price (that would be shooting yourself in the face). Given the amount that is invested, I see it easily take over #2 spot. What happens in one or two years after that, no one knows.
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It depends. I think it is very good for them and for investors as well if they can raise a lot fund. In my view, Ethereum has the Bitcoin challenger status while NEM has NXT challenger status. 2015 would be very interesting as a lot of new projects going to fruition. BUT everyone should hope that Bitcoin stays strong, get bigger or at least stay at this level and not deflate  to sub 300 level.  

How is Ethereum a challenger to Bitcoin?  BTSX is Bitcoin's biggest challenger, followed by NEM.  NXT will implode.  When NEM went on NXT's asset change every NXT holder thought they were sh**ing bricks of gold but now the price is right back to where it has been for ages.

i didn't know this BTSX. Need to find some info!
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Step into a world!! A P2P world!
some pages ago you were talking about the Ethereum.


Just take a look:

http://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-launches-ether-coin-millions-already-sold/

 Shocked

If Im not wrong on my calculus its 3,5 k BTC

Someone believes strongly, like I believe in Nem, at this coin.
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Step into a world!! A P2P world!
Some time ago there was the java 6. People start screaming and cry to chango to java 7. Now is the java 8. 2016 we will have the java 9.

And the world goes on.....

 Smiley
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It depends. I think it is very good for them and for investors as well if they can raise a lot fund. In my view, Ethereum has the Bitcoin challenger status while NEM has NXT challenger status. 2015 would be very interesting as a lot of new projects going to fruition. BUT everyone should hope that Bitcoin stays strong, get bigger or at least stay at this level and not deflate  to sub 300 level.  

How is Ethereum a challenger to Bitcoin?  BTSX is Bitcoin's biggest challenger, followed by NEM.  NXT will implode.  When NEM went on NXT's asset change every NXT holder thought they were sh**ing bricks of gold but now the price is right back to where it has been for ages.
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Also, what features in the 1.8 JDK are we using that we actually need? Are we coding to the new API or are we just saying "for some reason it seems like it only runs on 1.8 because we get a stack trace and we don't investigate it"? I'll accept that as a valid response if there is some UI based objects that really make our lives easier in 1.8. When I compared 1.6 to 1.7 for our dev shop there was like one deal breaker feature we needed (granted our code was business objects and not UI heavy).

Java 8 got some improvements we heavily use like CompletableFuture and lambda expressions.

Acceptable rebuttal, intelligent and specific reason given, statement retracted. And I was not intending to insult anyone. This usability stuff is always a balancing act.

@patmast3r - Your point is absolutely taken, I'm just trying to constantly remind everyone how low the bar really is, so where possible let's make strategic decisions. In this case I think people just wanted a solid justification for the "latest and greatest" tendency concern, which has now been given. That certainly wasn't a jab at the devs, whom I respect. Just don't forget how mind bendingly inefficient the average person is on a piece of technology. Statements like "this will someday replace fiat" require the minimum amount of barriers. As you said, that time frame is much larger than the small window of struggle we are seeing here, so acknowledged. 
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Also, what features in the 1.8 JDK are we using that we actually need? Are we coding to the new API or are we just saying "for some reason it seems like it only runs on 1.8 because we get a stack trace and we don't investigate it"? I'll accept that as a valid response if there is some UI based objects that really make our lives easier in 1.8. When I compared 1.6 to 1.7 for our dev shop there was like one deal breaker feature we needed (granted our code was business objects and not UI heavy).

Java 8 got some improvements we heavily use like CompletableFuture and lambda expressions.
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**NEM requires Java 8**.

Seriously? Soooo.. There is no real intention for this coin to be used by the general public for quite some time to come? I know programmers just love to play with shiny new things but someone should have smacked them upside the head and said a big fat no to that one.

You can install Java 8 just like 7. We provided a link too so what is your problem?
You're the first one to complain so you might not want to talk about the "general public" here.
I'm probably the first one to complain because I'm not part of the crypto community and have spent the last decade marketing shit to the general public.. I spent a decade before that managing programmers and keeping them inline so that the products they created could actually be used by people and not just "techies". The general public has a hard time programming their DVD players.. Of those in the general public that have java 7 installed on their computers they probably only have it cause their kids did it so they could play minecraft. You have to create things that someone who is practically "brain dead" can actually use.

Every single coin out there has these sorts of problem, no thought to actually catering to the general public. They just "hope" that they'll somehow come on board. Everything I read on this forum is all about catering to the community and of course the markets. The first coin that will actually focus on catering to the general public will actually have the chance to "win". I'm not picking on NEM, as I said all the coins suffer from this problem. It would just be nice to see one that actually thinks seriously about it before hand and doesn't put roadblocks in their way.

Have to say I agree. The minute java update pops up my mom closes it and tells me whatever she is trying to run is broken and I need to remote in and fix it. The average computer probably has java 1.6 and possibly 1.7. You can say "hey we provided a link" all you want, and that is a valid response, but the average joe ain't gonna navigate that. If they click it, and firefox asks "what do you want to do with this?", and they say "open" and it doesn't involve a couple clicks before the interface is in front of them, they'll roll over, and that's a fact. I do a lot of pc repair and builds for my community and I promise you the average person can't handle installing a new jdk, as ridiculous as it sounds to you and I. If you want to keep it a geek only cost of entry totally fine, just accept that is what you have done.

Also, what features in the 1.8 JDK are we using that we actually need? Are we coding to the new API or are we just saying "for some reason it seems like it only runs on 1.8 because we get a stack trace and we don't investigate it"? I'll accept that as a valid response if there is some UI based objects that really make our lives easier in 1.8. When I compared 1.6 to 1.7 for our dev shop there was like one deal breaker feature we needed (granted our code was business objects and not UI heavy).

Like I said it's not just going to be a link forever. As soon as Sun/Oracle get's their shit together you are directed to the download page.
The average joe will be important but think about the timframe here. Do you reall think your mum will be the target group for the first couple of months ? People that aren't tech savvy enough to install a simple programm won't use NEM in it's earlier stages anyway. When we hit stores, merchants, banks and NEM reaches actual utility THEN it will be very important to have an even easier client and a mobile wallet. Remeber this is only the first stage so don't be so quick to judge. At some point we may provide an online portal like PayPal - the sky is the limit if we  and stick together as a community and work on this project together.

You'd have to ask the core devs why they chose Java 8 but I can tell you that it's not "for some reason it seems like it only runs on 1.8 because we get a stack trace and we don't investigate it". After everything you've seen is that really the kind of thing you expect from our core devs ? Are you kidding me ?
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Didn't Maidsafe do like $8 million in 24 or 48 hours?  Some success that was.  We later found out that most of the IPO funds came from MtGox bots laundering stolen money.   I wonder if Ethereum will be getting laundered Bitcoins too?  I was one of the first to see the Ethereum presale thread and by then they already had a million (from where?  the thread barely had any views and there were no news articles about it on Google.  Who threw in a million so fast?)

Ethereum is a copywrighting coin (journalist coin) like Max Coin and Mastercoin, they pump out these essay articles and hour long boring videos that are only seen by hundreds (with the odd video or two with a few thousand fews).  Between Vitalik flying around the world and partying and doing hour+ long interviews, where he has the time to develop anything.  But, then again, if he's a full time mascot for Goldman Sachs' they probably outsourced the development to India.   Grin


Ethereum is on record for stating it wants a $30 million IPO back in January.  If I put in $1000 - that gives me 0.0000033% (that's five zeros) of all Ethereum.  Just to see a return of 100x Ethereum would have to hit $3 billion which is easier said than done.  I don't think a coin can go anywhere if it's a ponzi scheme ran by rich investors.  There's nothing to incentive early adopters to come on board to use the coin.


As for the Ethereum language bull$hit..  It took a good decade for C++ and Java to work out all the bugs and to have a community of developers, nobody but Vitalik knows how to program in his supposed Ethereum and I bet its' bugged.  As for Ether itself, it's still on generation 1.0 format of PoW / PoS hybrid (Peercoin has been doing that for ages).  Ethereum seems like it's more geared to take on 1.0 coins than to compete with any 2.0 coins out there.

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1 eth - .0005 btc minimum?  Shocked
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