Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 1890. (Read 2984910 times)

Quote from: yidian on July 09, 2014, 02:58:44 AM

I found more. P9 - BestofSR, cryptonikus, Deftonikus, Djentriser and TeseracT. Busted as socks on NODE.
All present on the NEM stakeholder list, haven't collected any tokens yet.

This looks pretty extensive. It's a good chance that all the socks on NODEs' list are probably on the NEM list. Seems like some had collected tokens (and presumably sold). The others can still be refunded.

another audit i think may be in the making here. or we just check all the socks that node uncovers.

socks around the world will be shaking in their boots! :L

Is the audit being done? I propose stopping issuing of the asset tokens, remove any sockpuppet possible and then restart again. Sockpuppets will get through but if they are known then its criminal to let them be.

I think the community should organize another audit of the stakeholder list. The dev team is too busy coding to do that and I think it would be really great if someone would take the initiative and get this done. Post-V1, the community needs to run NEM, so people should start taking some steps in that direction.

I propose:

1. A full validation of the stakeholder list. All account stakeholder should have a link to the original registration post next to their account.

2. A full redo of population statistics. All account stakeholder should have a post count next to their account.

3. All low post stakeholder need to be rechecked for sock puppets. ---> if there is no explanation then remove them from stakeholder list.

I totally agree with these proposals. Can someone/a group of people come forward and try to start working on this? If it is too hard to coordinate things here, please feel free to create a thread on http://forum.nemcoin.com/

Yup, let's put words to actions. Argpentem?

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Quote from: cupper5 on July 09, 2014, 01:52:51 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on July 09, 2014, 01:43:07 AM

Quote from: cupper5 on July 09, 2014, 01:52:51 AM

I will start doing a more indepth analysis of the stakeholder list, I'll discuss it more over here: http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2279.new#new

What are you guys doing?you are making too much of this and continuing the sock puppet debate because of what.6 measly accounts and a few socks on another coin?. That utopian future was more than happy with the stakeholder list. Your going to go through all this shit again?haven't you got better things to do...your just pissing folk off that's now spent half a year interested in this project.get a life. A final stakeholder list should be final in my opinion.and no I haven't got any NEM yet in case you ask. I just see it pissing off the community.

tbh I don't mind the community doing a little digging - in fact I welcome it - unless it starts to turn into a which hunt again.
Please don't consider any results from NODE until they have a final list.

Also if you think you found something plz don't go around and start spreading FUD. Let's calmly talk about it and solve issue instead of creating them.

Exactly, this is going to start new issues that were not needed. I've watched this thread and saw it become so positive and now because some have nothing to do , all the old negatives are going to resurface. This is a bad move. Don't you guys ever take account of your own polls?.most members don't want second audit.

Again and again? you guys are amazing. Can you do something really meaningful to really help the NEM?
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Some guys are struggling to understand that everyone who is INTERESTED in NEM is HERE after 6 months .If they wanted to get a quick buck then they would have sold on NXT asset exchange.

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Quote from: patmast3r on July 09, 2014, 01:43:07 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on July 09, 2014, 01:43:07 AM

I will start doing a more indepth analysis of the stakeholder list, I'll discuss it more over here: http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2279.new#new

What are you guys doing?you are making too much of this and continuing the sock puppet debate because of what.6 measly accounts and a few socks on another coin?. That utopian future was more than happy with the stakeholder list. Your going to go through all this shit again?haven't you got better things to do...your just pissing folk off that's now spent half a year interested in this project.get a life. A final stakeholder list should be final in my opinion.and no I haven't got any NEM yet in case you ask. I just see it pissing off the community.

tbh I don't mind the community doing a little digging - in fact I welcome it - unless it starts to turn into a which hunt again.
Please don't consider any results from NODE until they have a final list.

Also if you think you found something plz don't go around and start spreading FUD. Let's calmly talk about it and solve issue instead of creating them.

Exactly, this is going to start new issues that were not needed. I've watched this thread and saw it become so positive and now because some have nothing to do , all the old negatives are going to resurface. This is a bad move. Don't you guys ever take account of your own polls?.most members don't want second audit.
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Again and again? you guys are amazing. Can you do something really meaningful to really help the NEM?

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I will start doing a more indepth analysis of the stakeholder list, I'll discuss it more over here: http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2279.new#new

What are you guys doing?you are making too much of this and continuing the sock puppet debate because of what.6 measly accounts and a few socks on another coin?. That utopian future was more than happy with the stakeholder list. Your going to go through all this shit again?haven't you got better things to do...your just pissing folk off that's now spent half a year interested in this project.get a life. A final stakeholder list should be final in my opinion.and no I haven't got any NEM yet in case you ask. I just see it pissing off the community.

tbh I don't mind the community doing a little digging - in fact I welcome it - unless it starts to turn into a which hunt again.
Please don't consider any results from NODE until they have a final list.

Also if you think you found something plz don't go around and start spreading FUD. Let's calmly talk about it and solve issue instead of creating them.
[/quote]

Exactly, this is going to start new issues that were not needed. I've watched this thread and saw it become so positive and now because some have nothing to do , all the old negatives are going to resurface. This is a bad move. Don't you guys ever take account of your own polls?.most members don't want second audit.

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Quote from: crackerhead on July 08, 2014, 09:41:46 PM

I will start doing a more indepth analysis of the stakeholder list, I'll discuss it more over here: http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2279.new#new

What are you guys doing?you are making too much of this and continuing the sock puppet debate because of what.6 measly accounts and a few socks on another coin?. That utopian future was more than happy with the stakeholder list. Your going to go through all this shit again?haven't you got better things to do...your just pissing folk off that's now spent half a year interested in this project.get a life. A final stakeholder list should be final in my opinion.and no I haven't got any NEM yet in case you ask. I just see it pissing off the community.
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tbh I don't mind the community doing a little digging - in fact I welcome it - unless it starts to turn into a which hunt again.
Please don't consider any results from NODE until they have a final list.

Also if you think you found something plz don't go around and start spreading FUD. Let's calmly talk about it and solve issue instead of creating them.

cupper5

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Activity: 45

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Quote from: makoto1337 on July 08, 2014, 08:18:00 PM

Quote from: ARGpentem on July 08, 2014, 08:02:26 PM

Quote from: makoto1337 on July 08, 2014, 07:55:49 PM

Quote from: ARGpentem on July 08, 2014, 07:25:01 PM

Quote from: makoto1337 on July 08, 2014, 07:11:33 PM

Quote from: Magic8Ball on July 08, 2014, 06:57:25 PM

Quote from: makoto1337 on July 08, 2014, 08:18:00 PM

I found more. P9 - BestofSR, cryptonikus, Deftonikus, Djentriser and TeseracT. Busted as socks on NODE.
All present on the NEM stakeholder list, haven't collected any tokens yet.

This looks pretty extensive. It's a good chance that all the socks on NODEs' list are probably on the NEM list. Seems like some had collected tokens (and presumably sold). The others can still be refunded.

another audit i think may be in the making here. or we just check all the socks that node uncovers.

socks around the world will be shaking in their boots! :L

Is the audit being done? I propose stopping issuing of the asset tokens, remove any sockpuppet possible and then restart again. Sockpuppets will get through but if they are known then its criminal to let them be.

I think the community should organize another audit of the stakeholder list. The dev team is too busy coding to do that and I think it would be really great if someone would take the initiative and get this done. Post-V1, the community needs to run NEM, so people should start taking some steps in that direction.

I propose:

1. A full validation of the stakeholder list. All account stakeholder should have a link to the original registration post next to their account.

2. A full redo of population statistics. All account stakeholder should have a post count next to their account.

3. All low post stakeholder need to be rechecked for sock puppets. ---> if there is no explanation then remove them from stakeholder list.

I totally agree with these proposals. Can someone/a group of people come forward and try to start working on this? If it is too hard to coordinate things here, please feel free to create a thread on http://forum.nemcoin.com/

I can coordinate this if some more people come forward. IMO this auditing should be done here because stakeholder accounts are bitcointalk accounts and they may be required to provide explanation etc.

If I am not qualified because I am not an original stakeholder, that is fine too but I did buy 2+ stakes in AE exchange. If someone has a secret method, feel free to pm but all auditing should be done in public in a clear transparent manner.

As a holder of NEMstake you are qualified, and not being an original stakeholder is probably a good thing because you will be less biased. You can probably get a few people to help if you start on something. We already did taint analysis before, but UP was involved in that (though I am not sure to what extent, because Patmast3r and some other user (sorry I forget the name, can someone remind me?) took the lead on that). If the community can do an independent audit, that would be good I think, though it should take a lot of time. Compiling pop stats and adding post counts, etc, seems like a good first step.

People were allowed up to 2 stakes (1 per account), because of stakes for loved ones, etc. I think that is why a lot of accounts were created just for NEM and then never heard from again. Part of it is because some people came to NEM that were not regular crypto users, so they may not come to BTT.

I will start doing a more indepth analysis of the stakeholder list, I'll discuss it more over here: http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2279.new#new

What are you guys doing?you are making too much of this and continuing the sock puppet debate because of what.6 measly accounts and a few socks on another coin?. That utopian future was more than happy with the stakeholder list. Your going to go through all this shit again?haven't you got better things to do...your just pissing folk off that's now spent half a year interested in this project.get a life. A final stakeholder list should be final in my opinion.and no I haven't got any NEM yet in case you ask. I just see it pissing off the community.

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Quote from: ARGpentem on July 08, 2014, 08:02:26 PM

Quote from: makoto1337 on July 08, 2014, 07:55:49 PM

Quote from: ARGpentem on July 08, 2014, 07:25:01 PM

Quote from: makoto1337 on July 08, 2014, 07:11:33 PM

Quote from: Magic8Ball on July 08, 2014, 06:57:25 PM

Quote from: ARGpentem on July 08, 2014, 08:27:05 PM

I found more. P9 - BestofSR, cryptonikus, Deftonikus, Djentriser and TeseracT. Busted as socks on NODE.
All present on the NEM stakeholder list, haven't collected any tokens yet.

This looks pretty extensive. It's a good chance that all the socks on NODEs' list are probably on the NEM list. Seems like some had collected tokens (and presumably sold). The others can still be refunded.

another audit i think may be in the making here. or we just check all the socks that node uncovers.

socks around the world will be shaking in their boots! :L

Is the audit being done? I propose stopping issuing of the asset tokens, remove any sockpuppet possible and then restart again. Sockpuppets will get through but if they are known then its criminal to let them be.

I think the community should organize another audit of the stakeholder list. The dev team is too busy coding to do that and I think it would be really great if someone would take the initiative and get this done. Post-V1, the community needs to run NEM, so people should start taking some steps in that direction.

I propose:

1. A full validation of the stakeholder list. All account stakeholder should have a link to the original registration post next to their account.

2. A full redo of population statistics. All account stakeholder should have a post count next to their account.

3. All low post stakeholder need to be rechecked for sock puppets. ---> if there is no explanation then remove them from stakeholder list.

I totally agree with these proposals. Can someone/a group of people come forward and try to start working on this? If it is too hard to coordinate things here, please feel free to create a thread on http://forum.nemcoin.com/

I can coordinate this if some more people come forward. IMO this auditing should be done here because stakeholder accounts are bitcointalk accounts and they may be required to provide explanation etc.

If I am not qualified because I am not an original stakeholder, that is fine too but I did buy 2+ stakes in AE exchange. If someone has a secret method, feel free to pm but all auditing should be done in public in a clear transparent manner.

As a holder of NEMstake you are qualified, and not being an original stakeholder is probably a good thing because you will be less biased. You can probably get a few people to help if you start on something. We already did taint analysis before, but UP was involved in that (though I am not sure to what extent, because Patmast3r and some other user (sorry I forget the name, can someone remind me?) took the lead on that). If the community can do an independent audit, that would be good I think, though it should take a lot of time. Compiling pop stats and adding post counts, etc, seems like a good first step.

People were allowed up to 2 stakes (1 per account), because of stakes for loved ones, etc. I think that is why a lot of accounts were created just for NEM and then never heard from again. Part of it is because some people came to NEM that were not regular crypto users, so they may not come to BTT.

I will start doing a more indepth analysis of the stakeholder list, I'll discuss it more over here: http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2279.new#new

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Quote from: ARGpentem on July 08, 2014, 08:02:26 PM

Quote from: makoto1337 on July 08, 2014, 07:55:49 PM

Quote from: ARGpentem on July 08, 2014, 07:25:01 PM

Quote from: makoto1337 on July 08, 2014, 07:11:33 PM

Quote from: Magic8Ball on July 08, 2014, 06:57:25 PM