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Quote from: Mabsark on August 31, 2014, 10:15:05 AM

The only way anyone except Intel is making 14nm bitcoin ASICs is if they pay a shit load of money to Intel.

or to someone....14nm is a pretty significant scaling hurdle as we are starting to build chips with components that are only a few atoms across

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/97469-is-14nm-the-end-of-the-road-for-silicon-lithography

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Quote from: Mabsark on August 31, 2014, 10:15:05 AM

The only way anyone except Intel is making 14nm bitcoin ASICs is if they pay a shit load of money to Intel.

TBH, Intel is barely making stuff on 14nm ;P

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The only way anyone except Intel is making 14nm bitcoin ASICs is if they pay a shit load of money to Intel.

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Quote from: dyask on August 30, 2014, 08:44:17 PM

Quote from: Hunyadi on August 30, 2014, 11:35:27 AM

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/14nm-bitcoin-asic-announcement.html

BlackArrow + 14nm Grin

This is still way out there in time. Assuming it all goes well chips are not available until May, 2015. Systems would be after that. You have a long time for your happy dance. Does seem a lot more possible though.

I meant, BlackArrow, or any other bitcoinASIC-company, wont be able to produce 14nm-chips in years. Come on.

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Quote from: DrG on August 30, 2014, 10:20:19 PM

The only way BA is making 14nm ASICs is if they make 28nm stuff and cut it in 1/2 with a Ginsu knife.

Their track record speaks volumes. Anybody jumping on that is just funding their shadiness.

Strangely I'm not surprised to hear that.

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The only way BA is making 14nm ASICs is if they make 28nm stuff and cut it in 1/2 with a Ginsu knife.

Their track record speaks volumes. Anybody jumping on that is just funding their shadiness.

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Black arrow have bad records right? Not worth to risk.

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Quote from: Hunyadi on August 30, 2014, 11:35:27 AM

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/14nm-bitcoin-asic-announcement.html

BlackArrow + 14nm Grin

This is still way out there in time. Assuming it all goes well chips are not available until May, 2015. Systems would be after that. You have a long time for your happy dance. Does seem a lot more possible though.

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http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/14nm-bitcoin-asic-announcement.html

BlackArrow + 14nm Grin

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Quote from: dyask on July 18, 2014, 04:33:28 AM

Quote from: DrG on July 18, 2014, 04:03:06 AM

Quote from: ThomasCrowne on July 15, 2014, 08:51:53 PM

Quote from: ALToids on July 06, 2014, 09:05:47 PM

Moore's law is approaching it's end. We won't keep seeing leaps in transistor reduction. Switching to graphene or some other exotic manufacturing might be the future.

But for what seems an eternity in the Bitcoin world, the next 1-2 years will still see more efficient miners released.

Agreed. Seriously doubt asic miniaturization will slow down within the next 18-24 months, then after that I suspect we will see a slew of optimization techniques that carry this trend on for another 6-12 months easy. Of course, all of this is largely contingent upon the bitcoin price continuing it's upward trend.

I believe ALToids was saying the opposite of what you're saying. CPUs have pretty much reached a wall.

ASICs for Bitcoin still have an efficient jump to 20nm, but 14nm will be cost prohibitive because all the foundries will have other orders. This won't be for another year - which in Bitcoin terms is like 25 years from now.

Actually the jump to 14nm is more that just a cost problem. A lot of redesign has to be done to gain the full benefits. Probably much more than a year yet.

When producing a batch run of 100k chips, the 500K spent on 5 full time engineers is nothing compared to the $20 million needed for the run. You are right that to optimize 14nm a LOT of work needs to be done, but most ASIC companies aren't really optimizing their current 20/28nm offerings. That's why Bitfury was able to do so well on the efficiency end even with a higher node.

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Quote from: Lucky7Gaming on July 06, 2014, 08:24:13 PM

http://igg.me/p/822701/x

What do you guys think? Legit or scam?

If this is real it could mean that difficulty would go up even more and our old miners would become obselete even faster.

Scam, avoid at all cost

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Quote from: DrG on July 18, 2014, 04:03:06 AM

Quote from: ThomasCrowne on July 15, 2014, 08:51:53 PM

Quote from: ALToids on July 06, 2014, 09:05:47 PM

Moore's law is approaching it's end. We won't keep seeing leaps in transistor reduction. Switching to graphene or some other exotic manufacturing might be the future.

But for what seems an eternity in the Bitcoin world, the next 1-2 years will still see more efficient miners released.

Agreed. Seriously doubt asic miniaturization will slow down within the next 18-24 months, then after that I suspect we will see a slew of optimization techniques that carry this trend on for another 6-12 months easy. Of course, all of this is largely contingent upon the bitcoin price continuing it's upward trend.

I believe ALToids was saying the opposite of what you're saying. CPUs have pretty much reached a wall.

ASICs for Bitcoin still have an efficient jump to 20nm, but 14nm will be cost prohibitive because all the foundries will have other orders. This won't be for another year - which in Bitcoin terms is like 25 years from now.

Actually the jump to 14nm is more that just a cost problem. A lot of redesign has to be done to gain the full benefits. Probably much more than a year yet.

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Quote from: ThomasCrowne on July 15, 2014, 08:51:53 PM

Quote from: ALToids on July 06, 2014, 09:05:47 PM

Moore's law is approaching it's end. We won't keep seeing leaps in transistor reduction. Switching to graphene or some other exotic manufacturing might be the future.

But for what seems an eternity in the Bitcoin world, the next 1-2 years will still see more efficient miners released.

Agreed. Seriously doubt asic miniaturization will slow down within the next 18-24 months, then after that I suspect we will see a slew of optimization techniques that carry this trend on for another 6-12 months easy. Of course, all of this is largely contingent upon the bitcoin price continuing it's upward trend.

I believe ALToids was saying the opposite of what you're saying. CPUs have pretty much reached a wall.

ASICs for Bitcoin still have an efficient jump to 20nm, but 14nm will be cost prohibitive because all the foundries will have other orders. This won't be for another year - which in Bitcoin terms is like 25 years from now.

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Quote from: Nagle on July 15, 2014, 01:09:11 AM

As for the original post, scam.

It's one of those "flexible funding" Indiegogo projects, which means "even if we don't get funded, we keep your money".

bump!

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Quote from: ALToids on July 06, 2014, 09:05:47 PM

Moore's law is approaching it's end. We won't keep seeing leaps in transistor reduction. Switching to graphene or some other exotic manufacturing might be the future.

But for what seems an eternity in the Bitcoin world, the next 1-2 years will still see more efficient miners released.

Agreed. Seriously doubt asic miniaturization will slow down within the next 18-24 months, then after that I suspect we will see a slew of optimization techniques that carry this trend on for another 6-12 months easy. Of course, all of this is largely contingent upon the bitcoin price continuing it's upward trend.

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Quote from: Domino on July 13, 2014, 04:05:21 AM

Quote from: Lucky7Gaming on July 07, 2014, 02:01:08 PM

Quote from: dyask on July 07, 2014, 01:49:44 PM

Quote from: ALToids on July 07, 2014, 07:40:51 AM

Well either the power becomes a major factor or if the growth is slow then the 2016 halving will stop it.

Yup, once the halving happens it will be a whole new game.

Do we know when exactly when halving will occur at this rate?

The next halving will occur at the 420,000 th block, which will be found at around Aug 2016 according to http://bitcoinclock.com/.

It will stay at August if there's no growth in the network. If there's a decrease in the difficulty it will get pushed back, if increase it moves up. It will probably be sometime between May and June 2016.

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As for the original post, scam.

It's one of those "flexible funding" Indiegogo projects, which means "even if we don't get funded, we keep your money".

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