Topic: New 14nm miners??????? - page 3. (Read 5982 times)
14nm is coming to intel, it might take awhile before 14nm used for ASIC.
new generation = higher hash rate = higher price = Wont ROI = Diff. goin crazy
am i supposed to say this 14nm is impossible for now?
i mean, it wont sell like hotcake
am i supposed to say this 14nm is impossible for now?
i mean, it wont sell like hotcake
Impossible, the smallest nanometer is 20nm, there wouldn't be such a decrease so soon. I would be interested to see his actual working product if he claim its 14nm. I don't think we can hit 14nm within a year
Actually the first 14nm fpga chips started showing up summer of 2013. Well better than in power consumption and the amount of gates available, they aren't vastly better though.
http://www.fpgacentral.com/news/2013/altera-14nm-stratix-and-20nm-arria-fpga
However, I haven't heard of any 14nm ASICs yet.
There's no reason to jump the gun to a more difficult and costly architecture when the "older" stuff still hasn't been optimized. Some of the 20/28nm stuff is not as efficient as it could/should be. Now if 14nm was cheap that would be another story...
Impossible, the smallest nanometer is 20nm, there wouldn't be such a decrease so soon. I would be interested to see his actual working product if he claim its 14nm. I don't think we can hit 14nm within a year
Actually the first 14nm fpga chips started showing up summer of 2013. Well better than in power consumption and the amount of gates available, they aren't vastly better though.
http://www.fpgacentral.com/news/2013/altera-14nm-stratix-and-20nm-arria-fpga
However, I haven't heard of any 14nm ASICs yet.
There's no reason to jump the gun to a more difficult and costly architecture when the "older" stuff still hasn't been optimized. Some of the 20/28nm stuff is not as efficient as it could/should be. Now if 14nm was cheap that would be another story...
Impossible, the smallest nanometer is 20nm, there wouldn't be such a decrease so soon. I would be interested to see his actual working product if he claim its 14nm. I don't think we can hit 14nm within a year
Actually the first 14nm fpga chips started showing up summer of 2013. Well better than in power consumption and the amount of gates available, they aren't vastly better though.
http://www.fpgacentral.com/news/2013/altera-14nm-stratix-and-20nm-arria-fpga
However, I haven't heard of any 14nm ASICs yet.
Impossible, the smallest nanometer is 20nm, there wouldn't be such a decrease so soon. I would be interested to see his actual working product if he claim its 14nm. I don't think we can hit 14nm within a year
It isn't surprising that this is a scam.
I don't think we will see 14 nm asics very soon. Becaus rhe smallest process node currently is 20 nm. Only Intel has smaller ones at the moment.
Intel does produce 14 nm chips, but I haven't heard of 14 nm ASICs yet. There are 14 nm FPGAs, http://www.altera.com/devices/fpga/stratix-fpgas/stratix10/stx10-index.jsp
That still doesn't change my view. It won't be some guys taking about problems in a bar over nachos that end up delivering 14 nm ASICs. Also when we do see them, they won't be the huge jump in performance that might be expected.
http://igg.me/p/822701/x
What do you guys think? Legit or scam?
If this is real it could mean that difficulty would go up even more and our old miners would become obselete even faster.
What do you guys think? Legit or scam?
If this is real it could mean that difficulty would go up even more and our old miners would become obselete even faster.
My thoughts:
1) A 14nm ASIC is unlikely to come from a crowd funded source with no ASIC experience.
2) There are many problems with scaling ASICs that have not necessary been solved. The results may in fact be disappointing, maybe in the range of 1.6% faster and not as much power reduction as expected.
3) 14nm is very new and hasn't had time to mature.
There will likely be smaller ASICs in coming years, but the huge gains are in. No it is more of a factor of using more ASICs not vastly faster ASICs.
So I wonder if difficulty will plateau then?
The difficulty rate growth will slow down, but the real question is when. Personally I think there is still more than a year before we start seeing a real plateau. At some point the amount of power used for bitcoin mining will become a limit to growth.
Yeah. That's what I was thinking. At some point, the electricity costs will decide the plateau of difficulty. Interesting opinions!
Well either the power becomes a major factor or if the growth is slow then the 2016 halving will stop it.
Yup, once the halving happens it will be a whole new game.
Do we know when exactly when halving will occur at this rate?
no not exactly but if rate avg stays under 20 % some time in 2016.
most people do no realize the growth rate has slowed. it is just a bit under 18% avg since the dec 21st 2013 30 %
jump. that is about a 200 day time period. the avg from june to dec 21 2013 was about 24 %.
1 simple reason why rate of diff slowed is power savings are slowing.
so 24% for 200 days then 18% for 200 days next 200 days will be 13-15% avg
and btw no 14nm chip will do 14.4th at under 1000 watts so the AC dude is tripping on acid
at best 14.4th will be 2000 watts with 14nm chips.
I don't think we will see 14 nm asics very soon. Becaus rhe smallest process node currently is 20 nm. Only Intel has smaller ones at the moment.
Well either the power becomes a major factor or if the growth is slow then the 2016 halving will stop it.
Yup, once the halving happens it will be a whole new game.
Do we know when exactly when halving will occur at this rate?
Well either the power becomes a major factor or if the growth is slow then the 2016 halving will stop it.
Yup, once the halving happens it will be a whole new game.
Power is ot neccesary the main factor, there is many who is mining with loss, hoping on value increse. there are others who are not paying for electricity or paying very small price.
http://igg.me/p/822701/x
What do you guys think? Legit or scam?
If this is real it could mean that difficulty would go up even more and our old miners would become obselete even faster.
What do you guys think? Legit or scam?
If this is real it could mean that difficulty would go up even more and our old miners would become obselete even faster.
My thoughts:
1) A 14nm ASIC is unlikely to come from a crowd funded source with no ASIC experience.
2) There are many problems with scaling ASICs that have not necessary been solved. The results may in fact be disappointing, maybe in the range of 1.6% faster and not as much power reduction as expected.
3) 14nm is very new and hasn't had time to mature.
There will likely be smaller ASICs in coming years, but the huge gains are in. No it is more of a factor of using more ASICs not vastly faster ASICs.
So I wonder if difficulty will plateau then?
The difficulty rate growth will slow down, but the real question is when. Personally I think there is still more than a year before we start seeing a real plateau. At some point the amount of power used for bitcoin mining will become a limit to growth.
Well either the power becomes a major factor or if the growth is slow then the 2016 halving will stop it.
http://igg.me/p/822701/x
What do you guys think? Legit or scam?
If this is real it could mean that difficulty would go up even more and our old miners would become obselete even faster.
What do you guys think? Legit or scam?
If this is real it could mean that difficulty would go up even more and our old miners would become obselete even faster.
My thoughts:
1) A 14nm ASIC is unlikely to come from a crowd funded source with no ASIC experience.
2) There are many problems with scaling ASICs that have not necessary been solved. The results may in fact be disappointing, maybe in the range of 1.6% faster and not as much power reduction as expected.
3) 14nm is very new and hasn't had time to mature.
There will likely be smaller ASICs in coming years, but the huge gains are in. No it is more of a factor of using more ASICs not vastly faster ASICs.
So I wonder if difficulty will plateau then?
The difficulty rate growth will slow down, but the real question is when. Personally I think there is still more than a year before we start seeing a real plateau. At some point the amount of power used for bitcoin mining will become a limit to growth.
Yeah. That's what I was thinking. At some point, the electricity costs will decide the plateau of difficulty. Interesting opinions!
http://igg.me/p/822701/x
What do you guys think? Legit or scam?
If this is real it could mean that difficulty would go up even more and our old miners would become obselete even faster.
What do you guys think? Legit or scam?
If this is real it could mean that difficulty would go up even more and our old miners would become obselete even faster.
My thoughts:
1) A 14nm ASIC is unlikely to come from a crowd funded source with no ASIC experience.
2) There are many problems with scaling ASICs that have not necessary been solved. The results may in fact be disappointing, maybe in the range of 1.6% faster and not as much power reduction as expected.
3) 14nm is very new and hasn't had time to mature.
There will likely be smaller ASICs in coming years, but the huge gains are in. No it is more of a factor of using more ASICs not vastly faster ASICs.
So I wonder if difficulty will plateau then?
The difficulty rate growth will slow down, but the real question is when. Personally I think there is still more than a year before we start seeing a real plateau. At some point the amount of power used for bitcoin mining will become a limit to growth.
http://igg.me/p/822701/x
What do you guys think? Legit or scam?
If this is real it could mean that difficulty would go up even more and our old miners would become obselete even faster.
What do you guys think? Legit or scam?
If this is real it could mean that difficulty would go up even more and our old miners would become obselete even faster.
My thoughts:
1) A 14nm ASIC is unlikely to come from a crowd funded source with no ASIC experience.
2) There are many problems with scaling ASICs that have not necessary been solved. The results may in fact be disappointing, maybe in the range of 1.6% faster and not as much power reduction as expected.
3) 14nm is very new and hasn't had time to mature.
There will likely be smaller ASICs in coming years, but the huge gains are in. No it is more of a factor of using more ASICs not vastly faster ASICs.
So I wonder if difficulty will plateau then?
Moore's law is approaching it's end. We won't keep seeing leaps in transistor reduction. Switching to graphene or some other exotic manufacturing might be the future.
But for what seems an eternity in the Bitcoin world, the next 1-2 years will still see more efficient miners released.
But for what seems an eternity in the Bitcoin world, the next 1-2 years will still see more efficient miners released.
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