Topic: New BFL update. 25 February 2013. - page 4. (Read 12623 times)

So far, yes. Josh stated in some post that it was only for testing the chip was designed properly. (Or thereabouts in paraphrase)

They haven't indicated they are testing the chips for specs, only for functionality and proper implementation of the design.

Probably for the same reason the above people spent months bashing bASIC and Avalon in their own threads.

Pot calling the kettle black as it were.

Throw the rock carefully so it doesn't bounce and hit themselves on their own head. (or their own previous activity)

How much do they pay you to brown nose for them?

Reading the BFL forums each day is now a crime?

Another notorious example of a person who calls other BFL customers "trolls" for wanting updates.

What I wonder is if you're not throwing $20-$50K into ASICs why you would be spending so much time posting in threads for an item that you don't even want.  I mean there's educating the public and then there's just making into a life goal.  The same can be said for people trolling in the Avalon threads.  Only reason I come here is to just get updates I missed without having to scan all the BFL forums.

What kind of jobs/lives must some of you have to be able to afford this much time online?

Yup, and Avalon has managed to get 1 unit to someone outside of China in over a month.  Everything will change soon.

PuertoLibre stalking the BFL forums.........no way!   LOL

The tests have gone well so far. The ASIC team is packing it in for the night and will resume tomorrow. No problems at this point.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1168-february-27th-update-discussion-thread-5.html#post16380

Is it your job to stalk the BFL forums?

I sent their Cust Support an email about an issues (not a refund, however), and it took them 12 days to get back to me. I would assume that a refund would take about the same amount of time, so I don't consider this to be a purposeful delay. You can calm down on the OMG BFL ISN"T REFUNDING ORDERS for a lil bit.

Composite picture of Test Chips:



 Full Size: http://i48.tinypic.com/142g21g.png

Hmmmm.  That's very open-ended.  Even though they never enforced the old policy, at least it stated that orders were considered non-refundable up until delivery or 1 January, whichever came first.

I wonder whether it's even legal to accept pre-order money on a non-refundable basis when you don't have either a product or a delivery timeline.  Who defines "fail to perform"?  

I'd be copying this response from BFL to whatever government department oversees consumer protection in Missouri, because I suspect they're on very thin legal ice here.

You generally can't unilaterally change the terms of a contract.  If this is their new policy, then they need to let all of their customers know and give them a chance to opt out before implementing it.

If I was one of those people planning to cancel in April or later, I'd be concerned about this development.

It appears that some of the rumors may be true, some requests for refund are indeed being delayed or are ignored for a lengthy period of time.



Source Link: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1127-cancelling-my-order.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1166-why-hell-your-e-mails-skype-phone-dead-customers-why.html

Well, I want to order more units from BFL but feel committing money now when any delivery at all is still not certain doesn't seem prudent.  I will only consider further orders once I receive my existing orders from September.

FTFY

Josh should probably start saying "mañana" given how often "tomorrow" turns out to be at least a week later than estimated.

Maybe they are waiting for a picture of the burning wafer 

Bullshit Fabrication continues.

"The ASIC team has promised me pictures of the wafer tomorrow, Tuesday the 26th. As soon as I get those, I will be posting them."

26th has come and gone with no update.

While this is true, they're screwed if "Batch 3" people decide to cancel their pre-orders now and wait until BFL's delivery schedule for units made from the bulk order chips is more certain.  If they can't accelerate their delivery schedule, then they risk their only guaranteed future sales being those from Batch 1 and Batch 2 who place further orders to get their "discount" (and who'll have to wait months to receive those units).  Batch 1 and Batch 2 may not even be profitable for BFL at all, much less where they stand to make the bulk of their profits.

People will start deciding to hang onto their money until someone can deliver in less than a month rather than continuing the "order an ASIC, any ASIC" frenzy because they're starting to realise that low end units (< 60 GH) in particular probably aren't going to be especially profitable if they're not delivered until the second half of this year.  The network isn't standing still while BFL gets its shit together.

It's understandable that Batch 1 customers are pissed off at seeing every advantage they thought they'd have slip away, but from a purely business stand-point BFL needs to worry about its ability to minimise the amount of people cancelling later orders and its ability to attract new orders - especially if there's any possibility there'll be new vendors entering the market in Q3.

Has Josh posted the picture of the wafer yet?  He said yesterday that he'd do it "tomorrow".

They're bumping orders placed at least EIGHT months ago from the first batch to the second batch with a questionable decision and as we already know BFL can generate delays from nowhere so there's no guarantee that those sacrifices will yield any streamlining going forward at all.

Not really, if they're holding the 2nd batch for the top 5 layers... that means there probably isn't a 3rd batch right now. What would you rather have? a 1/6th reduction in the size of the first batch... followed by the immediate completion of the second batch... with no delay between processing after that followed by them being able to grow enough to cover all orders...

Or

wait 2 weeks for all 6 to come out of bumping, dicing, packaging and then they are finally able to test... delaying the second batch being grown, and the ordering of batch 3...

imo the point of this who process is to get the NRE handled and the processes in place - then they can reasonably project a real timeline from order to shipped. That's the really important thing for BFL from a product delivery point of view. Because I promise you, anyone who hasn't handed of their money for pre-orders isn't going to until someone has a working unit in hand and they have a good idea about how long it will take to fill the order.

Already have a pair of 7970's in my rig... 6970 on GF's rig... 5850 in my sons Rig and another in my media box...

and 24 other assorted 5k Radeons in the shop.