New BFL update. 25 February 2013. - page 5.

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Regardless of what technical issues BFL might be having, there's not really any excuse for the administrative side of their business not being in order. They should be able to provide people with the dimensions and weight of the ready to ship units and they should have their customer management system sorted out (this should have been done long ago).

Making people wait for non-technical information makes them look as incompetent at managing the administrative side of their business as they've seemed at managing the technical side and they can't play the "but this is really hard" card when it comes to releasing basic information like weight and dimensions and having their customer management database in order.

Oh, and "the ASIC team" is a contractor in California.

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The ASIC team is a third party we have contracted with to do the design and routing on the chip itself, they are located in California.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1054-chip-testing.html#post16189

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Quote from: Miner99er on February 26, 2013, 05:58:04 PM

Itchy trigger finger has me wanting to buy 7970's cause the damn price is so high...

What's another month... and another month... and anther month.

*Watches Avalon get shipped*

*watches ASICMiner get built*

Hope to get it by my birthday... maybe Christmas.... 2014. Sad

Do it! Mine, then resell or have a sweet gaming rig!

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Itchy trigger finger has me wanting to buy 7970's cause the damn price is so high...

What's another month... and another month... and anther month.

*Watches Avalon get shipped*

*watches ASICMiner get built*

Hope to get it by my birthday... maybe Christmas.... 2014. Sad

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Quote from: crazyates on February 26, 2013, 03:35:26 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on February 26, 2013, 03:32:19 PM

I sort-of feel bad for Josh. I can understand being in his position; Someone at the mercy of forces beyond his control.

However, he is quickly becoming the spokesperson for "Bullshit Fabrication Laboratories" and is one bad bender away from pulling a full on Tom and imploding all over the forums.

Josh/Inaba, as your customer, I advise you to rent a very fast car with no top. And you'll need the cocaine. Tape recorder for special music. Acapulco shirts. Get the hell out of Kansas for at least 48 hours.

Let this shit with the bump fac resolve itself. Shit happens. But chill the fuck out man.

This is the worst advise ever. Running away from your problems don't make them go away or magically "resolve themselves".

Given the current weather conditions in KC, chilling with his buddies would be a better suggestion.

The image above depicts an actual recent outing in KC. Them boys there are a weird lot.

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Quote from: Xian01 on February 26, 2013, 03:32:19 PM

I sort-of feel bad for Josh. I can understand being in his position; Someone at the mercy of forces beyond his control.

However, he is quickly becoming the spokesperson for "Bullshit Fabrication Laboratories" and is one bad bender away from pulling a full on Tom and imploding all over the forums.

Josh/Inaba, as your customer, I advise you to rent a very fast car with no top. And you'll need the cocaine. Tape recorder for special music. Acapulco shirts. Get the hell out of Kansas for at least 48 hours.

Let this shit with the bump fac resolve itself. Shit happens. But chill the fuck out man.

This is the worst advise ever. Running away from your problems don't make them go away or magically "resolve themselves".

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Quote from: Korbman on February 26, 2013, 03:17:51 PM

This is BFL we're talking about, so both Cheesy

I sort-of feel bad for Josh. I can understand being in his position; Someone at the mercy of forces beyond his control.

However, he is quickly becoming the spokesperson for "Bullshit Fabrication Laboratories" and is one bad bender away from pulling a full on Tom and imploding all over the forums.

Josh/Inaba, as your customer, I advise you to rent a very fast car with no top. And you'll need the cocaine. Tape recorder for special music. Acapulco shirts. Get the hell out of Kansas for at least 48 hours.

Let this shit with the bump fac resolve itself. Shit happens. But chill the fuck out man.

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Quote from: creativex on February 26, 2013, 02:59:24 PM

There's information missing or information being fabricated.

This is BFL we're talking about, so both Cheesy

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Quote from: Korbman on February 26, 2013, 10:06:42 AM

Quote from: creativex on February 25, 2013, 10:53:51 PM

Has anything ever gone well for BFL? No doubt a lengthy string of really good luck is right around the corner.

Seems strange that they'd delay five months and then choose to render 16% of their first batch of chips unusable to pick up a week or two(hopefully), but they're the self proclaimed experts.

Goodness no, BFL is terrible at making predictions. I usually take their updates with a grain of salt and add 2-3 weeks onto any date they give. Shipping March 9th? Naw, probably April 6th. Wink

And I agree..killing an entire wafer seems a bit silly, but then again what the hell do I know about chip development. With only 5000 chips, they'll probably only be able to fill June/July orders (assuming they get all 5000).

Odds of 100% yield from the first batch of chips? > or < 5%? This makes their early order customer compensation plan seem more like forward looking damage control than anything else.

I don't know too much about chip development either, but this update doesn't pass the common sense test. There's information missing or information being fabricated.

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Quote from: Puppet on February 26, 2013, 08:18:21 AM

So I really dont see what the big advantage is of destroying 5000+ chips to be able to test, what exactly ?

If they can perform a SHA256 transform?

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Quote from: creativex on February 25, 2013, 10:53:51 PM

Has anything ever gone well for BFL? No doubt a lengthy string of really good luck is right around the corner.

Seems strange that they'd delay five months and then choose to render 16% of their first batch of chips unusable to pick up a week or two(hopefully), but they're the self proclaimed experts.

Goodness no, BFL is terrible at making predictions. I usually take their updates with a grain of salt and add 2-3 weeks onto any date they give. Shipping March 9th? Naw, probably April 6th. Wink

And I agree..killing an entire wafer seems a bit silly, but then again what the hell do I know about chip development. With only 5000 chips, they'll probably only be able to fill June/July orders (assuming they get all 5000).

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Quote from: repentance on February 26, 2013, 12:39:48 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on February 26, 2013, 12:24:03 AM

I can't tell a customer of mine that their barn wood will be on time even if I have to go to the barn to accelerate the process, when my subcontractor supplier doesn't let me know which barn he's procuring the barn wood from.

It sounds like they do know which bumping facility is involved, though, as they made the choice to switch from one in North Carolina to one in California. While it sounds like there's a hell of a communication breakdown, it also sounds like BFL "didn't know what they didn't know".

There's not really any reason for the packaging facility to assume their client has never heard of a blank alignment wafer and won't be supplying one. It's possible that the first either the packaging facility or the bumping facility learned about that was when the wafers arrived at the bumping facility. It's like trying to hurry up the printers when you failed to supply them with the artwork for your job. Now is the time to make sure that they know exactly what is needed for the remaining steps so they're not delayed by something BFL didn't take into account.

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Quote from: miter_myles on February 26, 2013, 08:16:20 AM

Quote from: regular on February 26, 2013, 08:10:40 AM

I thought I was reading about bASIC 2.0 with these new excuses.

There hasn't been any "drunken" and/or "hacked" BFL posts/accounts yet..

Compare Toms drunken and raging heart to that of BFL Josh.

Is there a difference?

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Quote from: repentance on February 26, 2013, 03:13:05 AM

think there point is that there's no benefit in waiting until all of the wafers are bumped - they're going to have to destroy a wafer in order to test unpackaged chips so they might as well destroy the first bumped wafer now as wait until the end of the week. The alternative is waiting until they have some packaged chips to test.

What exactly will they test ? You can do non destructive functional testing using a wafer prober, particularly if BFL had a clue and implemented some built-in self tests. And you cant test a bazillion things on a chip thats not packaged, like the integrity of the package, IO, analog signal stuff, impact of thermal and physical stress,... So I really dont see what the big advantage is of destroying 5000+ chips to be able to test, what exactly ?

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Quote from: regular on February 26, 2013, 08:10:40 AM

I thought I was reading about bASIC 2.0 with these new excuses.

There hasn't been any "drunken" and/or "hacked" BFL posts/accounts yet..

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I thought I was reading about bASIC 2.0 with these new excuses.

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From BFL forum:

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Seems to me everyone here developed stockholm syndrome

Not exactly everyone. But everyone with-more-than-30-posts-and-not-yet-deleted developed stockholm syndrome.

Heretical minds get deleted pretty quickly over there.

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From BFL forum:

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Seems to me everyone here developed stockholm syndrome

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FUTURE OF CRYPTO IS HERE!

I have not had a high opinion about the folks at BFL. Their updates have been quite repetitive with constant stream of delays and how completely ridiculous but grandiouse sounding measures they are taking to address them ( go wait in somebodys office, angry locusts etc.. ), but this last update is nothing short of an act of a genius.

I have rubbed my hairy ball that is rarely wrong and it predicted that what is going to happen next is that BFL labs are claiming *) that they had great success with the wire bonded chip and they have a working unit in lab, however they now have plausible explanation how they are not shipping anything for months. I see the walls of BFL building imploding from the power of millions of dollars in new preorder money flowing in.

Or the other possibility is that they experience some unexpected flub with the test chip ( how that could possibly happen ) in which case I am quite dissapointed in their repetitive array of completely unexpected delays which always take me with a complete suprise when they happen about every other week.

*) Note that the operative word here is CLAIMING.

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