Topic: New Bitcoin Casino On The Horizon! (Read 12234 times)

Who do you think "TrevorXavier" works for

As for shill nobody accused you of being such

except dooglus who is a shill for bitZino and blocked on my account so I can't even see his little trolling comments and will not respond to anything he tries to say

it's as if he, and you, wake up daily typing in the search term "bitZino scam" or some such thing scouring the internet searching for other people's posts that tell the world the truth in order to troll them and make them believe your lies

Seriously dooglus go away or you will be reported to the mods for harassment since I have asked you repeatedly to stay out of my thread and using profanity just further exposes you for the type of person you are.

I will not allow lies to be included in this thread lest people believe his ability to baffle them with technical jargon. A request was made and an answer given... nuff said!

If you're reading this post, you may be just as intrigued about bitZino's Provably Fair system of guaranteeing fair hands as I was many months ago.

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[–]libertaad 10 points 2 days ago (12|2)
Creator of bitZino here. Thanks for writing this post, TrevorXavier! I firmly believe that the best cryptography is that which is practiced in the open, with honest and open discussion about any possible weaknesses or avenues of attack.
I've read through your entire post, and I believe that at the core, you are discussing two main issues you see with our provably fair system:
The first issue is that of "stalling". In the rare event that our servers do fail to respond (either due to internet connectivity issues, or downtime on our end), this problem can easily be mitigated by a player by simply ensuring the Hash(secret) has not changed, and then re-entering the same client_seed after reloading the page.
The second issue is that of tainting the javascript that is being executed on the player's browser (Cold Deck, Hot Reading, Mutation, and Controlled Secret all fall under this). I do agree that if we managed to slip dirty code past our users, these are potentially viable attacks. However. these are all very high-risk frauds to perpetrate, because if we were caught doing this, even once, we would completely sacrifice our reputation and future earnings potential.
Furthermore, these attacks are all relatively easy for a savvy user to detect. Since modern browsers come with built-in network analysis tools, it is easy for anyone to see all data being sent down the wire. These tools would make it very easy to detect if we tried to sneak javascript partials into ajax requests.
Ultimately though, a player can be protected from all of these attacks by running a client-side greasemonkey script which generates the client_seed (rather than relying on any code sent from our servers). And, in fact, this is already possible today due to the nature of our app being in HTML5. We have already seen a handful of our players doing this on their own (we can detect it because the client_seeds they send are formatted differently than the ones our javascript generates). Additionally, if a player just edits the client_seed by hand before they play, they are also protected from any of the attacks you listed.
At the end of the day, we still haven't fully solved the trust issue of browser-based cryptography. But, our system still accomplishes its goal - it forces us to either be honest, or take a large risk. We simply have no way to manipulate the outcome of any wagers made on bitZino without taking a risk of being caught. That's why our system is indeed provably fair: it allows savvy players to ensure the house isn't cheating them.
Thanks again for the insightful post!

except dooglus who is a shill for bitZino and blocked on my account so I can't even see his little trolling comments and will not respond to anything he tries to say even should he make another account to try and say something.

If CasinoSupportTeam actually believes the stuff he is posting, which I think is probably less likely than him being an alt account and doing a damn fine trolling job (can you run the odds on this dooglus?), then this thread is a solid 5. I so want this guy to be real.

CasinoSupportTeam, if I may make a suggestion; In the interest of all your soon to be new loyal customers, I think it would be valuable for you to personally break down the reasons why "provably fair" systems using hashed information are in fact, not provably fair (we need to know!).

The word you're looking for is unintelligible, either way you were annoying a while ago now you're beginning to look disturbed... begone!

I will not ask you again you are on block now dooglus just as you are from Strike Sapphire and Bit777

Beat it buddy!

It may be my first post, but I guarantee you my money spends just as well as someone with 1000.


I know exactly what it means, and it's not overly offensive, I'll give you that. You could have said way worse. That being said, I might call my friends butt-hurt from time to time to mess with them, but I will never use that term with a client. It's unprofessional and a bit childish, hence I only reserve the term for friends and other extremely casual conversations.

Perhaps you are just the owners buddy trying to drum up some business, perhaps you are an affiliate, perhaps you are employed by them. I don't know, but in none of those circumstances will being unprofessional help you achieve your goals to any great degree.

By the way, I am not trolling, I am just giving you some objective feedback. I'm not mad, or butt-hurt, whatever, nothing like that. I just think that as someone who is essentially asking people to pay money (casino gambling is always -EV assuming the casino doesn't hate money) to play with them, you could approach criticism and feedback with a little more grace.

Considering this is your first post it means little but you are welcome not to join that is your decision but as previously stated we are obligated under law and our systems are TST and eCOGRA certified.

As I said, you have made one post, this one, I am tempted to dismiss it as another attempt at trolling us but for now I will reply that I have said all that needs to be said and furthermore "butt-hurt" is a figure of speech that clearly you understood what was meant by it and contained no profanity so myself I see no problem with it's use in common vernacular.

Considering this is your first post it means little

a persons length of time here does not matter one way or another to myself except if they're a shill account.

Anyone's welcome at our casino provided they're non-US customers

just as those other two casinos banned you we have also before we've even launched

dooglus who admits to losing there frequently

to point the shortcommings of our platform out for all to see.

his factually inaccurate statements.

I appreciate you may feel this way but I personally don't care what he has contributed as you claim because he hasn't contributed anything to myself but a headache.

SkullCard... I'm going to offer you some friendly professional advice. Dooglus is one of the most well-respected community members here, especially when it comes to gambling.  He's been a tireless and extremely helpful contributor. You might want to be more humble, polite, and respectful to him.

Coming in here with big claims and grand plans may get you noticed by some noobs, but you won't make friends with the people who matter.


Actually, those are exactly his strong points.

While I don't know very much about the fairness stuff, I do know that the negative attitude expressed by CasinoSupportTeam toward another poster makes me not want to give the site my business. Seriously, you're trying to sell something, handle your critics with a little more class if you want to increase your customer base. Hint: Good support teams don't accuse critics of being butt-hurt.

What if I have a legitimate complaint? Will I be blown off and insulted, as well? Better I don't put my money on so I never have to find out.

I don't generally like to get in-between arguments. I haven't ever found myself in a position where I felt strongly enough to circle a specific person out on this forum, however you've crossed the line.

It's good that you have an ambitious project and are sharing it with us, however you have immediately lost my respect. Dooglus is one of if not THE most respected member of the gambling community on here and as Erik mentioned, anyone who matters will take offense to what you've said. Instead of working with the advice Dooglus provided, you instead chose to rudely and unprofessionally argue against it. You don't have the proper attitude to run a successful casino in my opinion. I suggest you return with a more open mind, I wish you good luck with your endeavor assuming you do so.

I am not going to argue with you buddy, you have been warned out of sheer generosity of our not wishing to see you lose your money unfairly, and disproven that your mathematical skills aren't up to par and anyone would think you work for bitZino the way you go on.  

However more than likely it is because they are the only website with no moral scruples and will take your money I am inclined to believe Josh before yourself I'm afraid just like my genuine statistics and odds over your... I don't how you came up with those odds, but they are incorrect as is your misplaced faith in someone who takes your belongings without any moral scruples and breaks US Federal Law in order to do so which should speak volumes in itself.  

Good day dooglus!  

*Edit: I will say that if you think 3800BTC's is $380,000 you should go back to sophomore math class and start again!