Topic: New Bitcoin Casino On The Horizon! - page 2. (Read 12234 times)

Do you even have any sort of provably fair system planned? I have a feeling your going to make all these accusations then simply expect people to go off your word that you're provably fair.

Your still missing the concept of this idea as well. It's impossible to manipulate without risking being caught. Bitzino wouldn't do that, and even if they did, they would have been caught by now. But nop, they haven't.

Your one of the most arrogant people I have ever come across in this forum. Your going to FAIL when it comes to business in this sector. You better hope your Mastercard/Visa/Other dirty fiat payment methods are successful.

You've had luck congratulations I suggest you quit while you're ahead however the transparency of their operation is clear for those to see and speaking like that you sound as though you're a shill for bitZino and furthermore nowhere is one word.

Thanks for the advice however we don't require any from yourself thanks all the same and remember Vegas wasn't built on winners and actually was founded by criminals much like bitZino.

Cheers but we have gotten plenty far without needing to suck up to anybody and we will operate VISA, Skrill, ClickPay, Neteller, MasterCard, Moneybooker, WebMoney and many others, BTC's will simply be another manner with which to fund your account and thus we won't be solely relying on the BTC community for our income and furthermore will be TST and eCOGRA accredited meaning our games are genuinely provably fair and overseen by a third party.

Your comment shows no comprehension for the insidious nature of web gambling and the industry as a whole and one only need look on casinomeister.com to understand their are far more rogues than there are honest practitioners in this business and many with sites far superior to bitZino so at the risk of repeating myself we don't need the BTC community we are providing it with a service it sorely needs and if you build it they will come so the saying goes and this thread has had much more positive people than one and now two negative individuals.

Good luck I would quit while you're ahead but if by luck you mean you've won a few BTC's I would not call that luck in the true sense of the word and they are well known among the gambling community that has used them to be rigged. If you have won several hundred BTC's or more then I would consider that good luck.

We will not be restricted to 25BTC Blacjack hands and 100BTC table limits though either on top of having the best tech and platforms in the business. We will be able to accommodate the highest of high rollers and furthermore will bring more light to Bitcoin with the mainstream gambling world and therefore increasing the value of BTC's all round that in my personal opinion are somewhat overpriced considering there's better, faster and more crypto's appearing everyday that the only thing giving Bitcoin it's current market value is it was first the first of it's kind to exist and are artificially kept high through their exclusivity of MTGOX.

As with all things to be first of their kind we expect there may come a time it is superseded by something else at which point we may or may not keep it as a viable payment option and will adapt our site's payment methods as necessary, because in much the same way that people are gambling on our site we too are taking the gamble that they won't be worth something one day and worth half or less the next as has been known to happen. Considering our patrons who are verified will have the option to cashout in USD, Pound Sterling, Euro's and many others we hope people appreciate this is why no other major sites such as 32RED or Bet365 have taken them on so we hope the BTC community appreciates the fact we are gambling somewhat here too since we don't have the option to convert back to fiat currency instantly the quantity of BTC's and LTC's we are required to keep on hand for immediate payouts and could potentially lose tens of millions if the market crashes.

Personally I wish I had chosen the self moderate option on this thread so I could clean it up myself but we appreciate the tersely spoken words of good faith however the sincerity behind them are a different matter altogether.

Cheers anyway - SkullCard

This is a load of rubbish. As a winning player on Bitzino, I can verify that their provably system is completely flawless and transparent.

Your unfairly accusing them with no real evidence. This thread should be locked.

I have a feeling you have stepped into the Bitcoin community in the complete wrong manner. This won't get you anywhere other than pissing people off. No one around here likes a sook, especially a sook with no evidence.

I recommend starting off on a new note. Even if you have the greatest site technology and design wise, your going to get no where with that attitude.

Best of luck none the less.

SkullCard... I'm going to offer you some friendly professional advice. Dooglus is one of the most well-respected community members here, especially when it comes to gambling.  He's been a tireless and extremely helpful contributor. You might want to be more humble, polite, and respectful to him.

Coming in here with big claims and grand plans may get you noticed by some noobs, but you won't make friends with the people who matter.


Actually, those are exactly his strong points.

I wish you good fortune in your new venture!

dooglus it's fair to say and anyone here will agree that you are an extremely annoying individual and I am not doing "PR" for anything, we are not into being trolled and require no advice from you, unlike bitZino and people here can see you for what you are.

We are business people who will provide a pleasant, safe and most of all legal environment for people to play games using crypto currencies however on a personal level I don't tolerate trolls and dismiss them which it is clear that is what you are hence you will be ignored by us as of now just as you are by Bit777 and Strike Sapphire so good luck with your "provably fair" casino we have no more time for your continuous trolling we are busy.

You will be ignored from now on go and find something better to do with your time, perhaps gambling at bitZino might be something you could do instead of bother me for a change with useless "information" and criticism which is neither asked for nor welcome.

Thank you!

SkullCard

I've tried many times to help you see where you're wrong.

Your unique combination of rudeness, sloppiness, and lack of reading comprehension makes you one of the least qualified people to be doing PR for a new casino IMHO.

Good luck with it though.

Thank you very much it's nice to hear positive compliments and dooglus go and troll somewhere else you've been asked three times now here's your statistics and you are wrong as usual! http://www.roulettestar.com/probability.php


SkullCard

Good luck in your new venture.

So I get the last word? 


Unfortunately, those are my strong points.  You should see how much I suck at the other stuff!

I'm pretty good at math.  You seem to be confusing the odds of 20 reds in a row (1 in 1813779) with the odds of losing 20 bets on red in a row (1 in 615124).  You don't need 20 reds in a row to lose 20 bets on black in a row, because you lose on zero too.  It's surprising that the zero makes such a difference, but it does:


You realise of course that the sequence 1, 1, 21, 21, 9, 9 is exactly as likely as every other sequence of 6 numbers, right?  And that I was being facetious?  Maybe not.  I wouldn't really suggest banning certainly 'bad patterns' from your casino.  That could be considered cheating, and people might make bad threads about you.

See previous message dooglus!  

We will not respond to you again... period!  

However just this once yes the penny finally dropped but then you're not the brightest spark I've come across in my time and I suggest you don't gamble at all because discerning patterns and mathematics clearly aren't your strong points!   


- SkullCard  

I agree.  I was referring to this thing what you said:


talking about this image showing ten reds in a row:



Maybe it's the pairs of repeated numbers that you will outlaw at your casino.  You could have a list of forbidden combinations of spins maybe.  You know how some sequences would never appear in real life, like 1, 1, 21, 21, 9, 9.  That is a particularly low-probability combination, and should be banned from any respectable casino.

So will we or won't we ever see results such as that at your casino?

I guess I won't, since you've banned me already. 

If there's anything you think I've ignored, I'm happy to address it.  I don't respond to the straight out insults, and sometimes it's hard to find actual content in your posts because the signal to noise ratio is a little low.

Sorry I didn't address your question mate I've had a busy night and oversaw it.

We will be launching it soon and we were just advising people and asking what sort of payment system they would like to use to gamble with whether converted to USD upon depositing their crypto's and then getting the same amount in market rate after cashing out or instead a system like Bit777 that operates a specific number of chips based on their chosen crypto to gamble with since we will also be taking VISA and it's something we have to work into our systems prior to launching that nobody has yet addressed most likely due to dooglus' incessant trolling.

If we have no feedback on this issue which people prefer we will just go with what we think is best.

Thanks

dooglus I have told you before, there are always the chances of ten reds in a row on a proper legitimate RNG, not likely 15 that this was taken from and certainly not three consecutive repetitions of numbers involved in that as it's a common occurrence on bitZino however I suspect you are too dim to realize this while you waste you hard earned money on your "satellite from outer space" computer because I will agree on that, you are a space cadet.

I was over discussing anything with you a while ago and you are beginning to be a nuisance.

Waste your money at your friend's casino whom you've snuggled up to like a good little obedient lap dog because he'll give you little treats to gamble with that he knows you will put straight back through his site anyway.

I will not address you further and as previously stated, you're math skills in addition along with everything else are only surpassed by your ability to brownose libertaad and troll this thread. So scoot off back to his waiting arms and do as you're told and keep losing your money there and we will not not allow you to bet with us just as those other two casinos banned you we have also before we've even launched, not for having multiple accounts as you claim but most likely because you are a nuisance, and I look forward to Strike Sapphire's comments about you once he get's back to me I'm sure they will be entertaining to say the least about why you were really banned and he wouldn't call BS on your "girlfriend" if he didn't have good reason too and if your pictures anything to go by it's little wonder you don't.

You have lost multiple arguments from statistics and quality control to legal issues and you seem content to address certain things you know nothing about with the confidence of Mike Tyson in his prime and totally ignore others because you're butt-hurt your best mate's casino is on a timer waiting to explode with everything from breaching the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 or the sheer inept ability to maintain a website that looks like some mid 90s Geocities nightmare without someone such as yourself pointing out so many holes in it it's like a block of Swiss cheese.

When you've lost all your money and been banned from every other BTC casino except the one you've lost it to assuming it's still around by that stage, consider it your fault and I would rather look at pretty girls with legitimate live tables than your ugly mug shot any day of the week!

Good day!

SkullCard

It goes something like this:

* we are opening a casino "soon".  it will be grate.  we certainly won't ever spin ten reds in a row on roulette.  ever.  won't be allowed.

* the biggest existing competition is, oddly enough, a scam.  not because we want to take their business, we have real evidence, as follows:

* provably fair is a scam because 'hashtags' can be 'decrypted' (even though if that was possible, bitcoin mining would be trivial, since it's much easier to find the partial collision needed to mine a block than it is to reverse a hash).

* bitzino is a scam because somebody gambled and lost their student loan on it.

* bitzino is a scam because - well, just look at the design!  it doesn't even have 'pretty girls'.  and the person who programmed it was in either his bedroom or a basement.  everyone knows non-scam code is developed in offices!

* i'm not going to argue with anyone who has compelling evidence to the contrary.  because i would lose.

You honestly think that's legit?

That's what I call a LOL!

Enjoy believing a lie my friend because that means absolutely nothing when a site's gone rogue.

Honestly, I wonder why I even bothered announcing our arrival in the coming weeks when people enjoy the fantasy they are a legitimate casino`but here I am attempting to tell you that hash is nothing more than a receipt for their systems and short of it being sent to and independent 3rd party with no stake in the outcome prior to wagering bets it's irrelevant!

If you understood how casino software works mate you would not bother with the delusion they are even remotely fair, however I understand the concept of it as previously stated and if you had read what I wrote you would know this!

Tell you what, invest several million $ in setting one up and licensing software from the best in the business and get back to me until then I'm not going to answer anymore questions regarding their legitimacy since they are illegal, and yet you believe they care about fairness?

I appreciate the gesture but I am completely aware of how it's supposed to work, it doesn't make it so and is why even if you looked at what I had written or the image displayed shows the difference between them and a legitimate RNG that has to be reset every spin.

Forgive me if I seem terse however I haven't had a good afternoon and the last thing I need is someone trying to tell me something I am aware of already.

The ONLY way any casino can be fair is to be independently audited by an organization such as eCOGRA or TST etc but we want to work with Bit777 and Strike Sapphire and others who obey the law upon launching our site, to setup an independent body to oversee BTC gaming and ONLY then will they be able to be deemed provably anything by which time it's safe to assume the owners will be arrested as they are committing numerous felonies ever second of the day as previously stated.

I suggest you read what has been written and you will see this has been covered already!

I would like to add that madmax on the link you gave me understands completely and echo's what I've been saying all along.

Only when there's a third party involved can anything be considered legitimate because otherwise there's no consequences to the scamming involved and bitZino have scammed so many people someone's gone and built a website, or is at least in the process, called www.bitzinoscam.com dedicated to outing them and so are we!

Regards - SkullCard

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-guide-to-how-provably-fair-works-161236

Please include a TL;DR section for people who don't want to read large blocks/pages of text.

Also I could not find your link to your site...is there one?

I misread that dude because I was thinking in the back of my mind what they were worth at the time he gambled them and I have more on my plate than arguing with a sycophant who clearly likes to brownose criminals and I have to reiterate that was the price he played at because he couldn't sell them due to the MTGOX lag on the feed, and has since lost another 50K's worth bought at $60 odd dollars which at current value is over $100K.

I don't need your apologies and although I understand the concept perfectly well, your misguided beliefs in a system set out to defraud you and the general public by breaking the law is kind of sad and I no longer care if you are exploited by it since you have been warned and your maths is incorrect and you can verify that here. http://www.roulettestar.com/probability.php

As I said, unless that hash is sent to a third party regulator independent of any outside influence then you can consider it nothing more than a barcode for your gaming session and furthermore, using specific programs this can be decrypted which would lead them open to huge exploitation were one so inclined as can be seen here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1t2EbrY6iw

And how easily one can abuse admin privileges for casino software here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORI5fC7EzZc

All that aside, one only need to take a look at their web site to see they are in no way comparable to Bit777 or soon to be ourselves, or indeed even the worst of casinomeister.com's worst blacklisted sites, should be more than enough evidence in and of itself.

So beat it dooglus, I think you are in the wrong thread and you are starting to get on my nerves note the opening line in this YouTube 60 Minutes story that it's illegal and unregulated and trusting a complete stranger running a site designed to take your money to be honest when they break US Federal Law to do so is a joke of the worst kind.

It doesn't matter if you use $, BTC or oranges to gamble with as currency online outside Nevada licensed bookies, and the reason we know this is we have been in discussion with certain US authorities to help decide whether or not to accommodate US patrons and at this stage we will be following Strike Sapphire's lead in this decision to exclude them, and therefore I would say you too, in the best interests of themselves and us, however Bit777 will accommodate them for now which they are allowed to due being based out of the Netherlands and not the US unlike bitzino.com.

You can see here that even the biggest players in the business cheat their customers and were a crucial reason behind us not going with Playtech's platform... for the record!
http://online_casino_news.hundredpercentgambling.com/2009/05/william-hill-joyland-casino-and.htm

Cheers - SkullCard

You've proven nothing.  I don't think you would even recognise a proof.  I support any site that offers provably fair gaming.  It's a great innovation and more sites should embrace the idea.


I can try to explain it to you if you like.  If you bet on a colour, you lose with probability 19/37 (since there are 18 of the other colour and one zero that make you lose, making 19 losing numbers, out of 37 total numbers.  To get the probability of that happening 20 times in a row, you raise 19/37 to the 20'th power.  And to get the average number of spins for that to happen, you take the reciprocal of the probability:


... or about 615124.


I didn't say anything like that.  I quoted the reddit post where he said:


That implies a price of $211.11 per Bitcoin, which happened during the recent price correction.  I expect you misread what I quoted, reading 1800 BTC as 3800 BTC.

I'm sorry if you still don't understand how provable fairness works.  I've tried my best to explain it to you but you seem blinded by your mistrust of bitZino.  I guess we can just leave it at that.