New Gambling idea - How it can be "patented"?

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Quote from: bitbollo on August 01, 2020, 12:46:04 PM

I have a question , and maybe you're more expert about this argument...
If some one get an idea about a New Gambling game, it can be "patented"? If yes how it can be done?

Just as E.G. "fantasy-football" how to protect the idea of a game like this? just with trademark?

You wouldn't have to "patent" a new game idea, rather check out creative commons and apply a specific set of guidelines for how your work is shared.

To start with, you need to publish your idea online and have it archived immediately - in the published work you need to have Creative Commons attributions set already. You should also get an MD5 checksum of your work which you drop to something concrete (such as a block chain) BEFORE you publish your work.

Good luck, and keep up posted how you go.

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Quote from: Degens on August 19, 2020, 01:48:06 AM

Talk to the guy at WizardOfOdds.com as he has patented/created a few games that were sold to casinos. I believe he consults on the side.

Lol, I think this can't help but it still depend on that guy if he'd like to or willing to help or answer your questions but in my own opinion getting a game to be patented should be ask from the game owner or developer you wanted to patent. After there permission then all things will going to follow. This is the best thing to do I guess and you should also seek more ideas from people around you to add things into the game or to make things easier with the people around willing to help.

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Talk to the guy at WizardOfOdds.com as he has patented/created a few games that were sold to casinos. I believe he consults on the side.

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Quote from: South Park on August 18, 2020, 02:29:45 PM

Quote from: johhnyUA on August 14, 2020, 09:07:17 AM

You case it's more like the case of copyright. But there is not enough only pure "idea", i mean something like "oh, i want to create galactic chess please copyright it for me" or something. You should create it a first, show that this is work and when try to use copyright.

This was one of the first things that I asked in this thread and I never got an answer, having an idea is not enough to get any kind of copyright or protection for your rights, you need to actually develop the software and the idea to the point that you can bring something to the table, and at least to me it does not seem as if the OP has done anything to deserve a copyright protection and if that is the case then it is a mistake to try to bring that idea to the casinos as they are not going to take you seriously.

That is what copyright to be applied needs, the platform should have a working product because having just an idea to be patented is worthless, even patents will not accept it. First, we need to establish the code, test the game, launch it in the internet by having a domain, let people know about it, and lastly, make sure that we aren't using any public characters from other people's work, nor using any effects, soundtrack that is owned by anyone else. In short, every piece of our ideas and implementations should be original. But as far as I can see, most of the gambling sites have these games where the game's color and the theme is strictly aligned to the overall design of the gambling site. This way, even if the game isn't patented, it is hard to just copy the game.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on August 14, 2020, 09:07:17 AM

You case it's more like the case of copyright. But there is not enough only pure "idea", i mean something like "oh, i want to create galactic chess please copyright it for me" or something. You should create it a first, show that this is work and when try to use copyright.

This was one of the first things that I asked in this thread and I never got an answer, having an idea is not enough to get any kind of copyright or protection for your rights, you need to actually develop the software and the idea to the point that you can bring something to the table, and at least to me it does not seem as if the OP has done anything to deserve a copyright protection and if that is the case then it is a mistake to try to bring that idea to the casinos as they are not going to take you seriously.

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Quote from: Viscore on August 14, 2020, 10:17:27 AM

I keep searching online but it looks like they have different scenarios and answers depending on the country where they live. And I believe that this couldn't be enough to enlighten your mind but seeking more info and answers.

Visiting the patent office at your place is the only solution for this and probably they will help you to make your curiosity become real. And I don't think it is an easy thing to do to accomplish, yet a hard stance might possible. This could also a reason why most games are just a copy from the others because it is hard to make gambling games become patented.

He doesn't need to visit the patent office just to give solution to his problem.

There's a website on patents which is the WIPO or World Intellectual Property Organization, he can contact the support the answers to his question, they're responsive.
The requirements and steps for applying patents are also in the website, just check it out.

https://www.wipo.int/patents/en/
https://www3.wipo.int/contact/en/

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I keep searching online but it looks like they have different scenarios and answers depending on the country where they live. And I believe that this couldn't be enough to enlighten your mind but seeking more info and answers.

Visiting the patent office at your place is the only solution for this and probably they will help you to make your curiosity become real. And I don't think it is an easy thing to do to accomplish, yet a hard stance might possible. This could also a reason why most games are just a copy from the others because it is hard to make gambling games become patented.

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You can't in my opinion, because when you share something in the internet like a fresh new game. Someone out there is going to make it.
For instance, look at how Lol sued Mobile Legends for stealing their intellectual property, in the end the case got dismissed and Mobile Legends continues its operations.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on August 14, 2020, 09:07:17 AM

Quote from: bitbollo on August 01, 2020, 12:46:04 PM

Just as E.G. "fantasy-football" how to protect the idea of a game like this? just with trademark?

There two main types of protection: patent and copyright. For example, if you will write a book, then it will be protected by copyright. And if you'll invent cure from cancer - patent. Patent is for 25 years and copyright for all your life and 70 years after. But patent can be extended in some cases (or it can be taken government by force to it ownership).

You case it's more like the case of copyright. But there is not enough only pure "idea", i mean something like "oh, i want to create galactic chess please copyright it for me" or something. You should create it a first, show that this is work and when try to use copyright.

thanks for the facts , its informative to me that does not know what protection means for a work . i didnt knew that there are two types and there are different durations for each . fantasy football isnt an idea only but it already been released but if op is only using it as an example maybe he is planning now and ask other question related to it . so many gambling ideas already existed and thinking a new idea is tough , now i know why op wants it to be protected .

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Quote from: bitbollo on August 01, 2020, 12:46:04 PM

Just as E.G. "fantasy-football" how to protect the idea of a game like this? just with trademark?

There two main types of protection: patent and copyright. For example, if you will write a book, then it will be protected by copyright. And if you'll invent cure from cancer - patent. Patent is for 25 years and copyright for all your life and 70 years after. But patent can be extended in some cases (or it can be taken government by force to it ownership).

You case it's more like the case of copyright. But there is not enough only pure "idea", i mean something like "oh, i want to create galactic chess please copyright it for me" or something. You should create it a first, show that this is work and when try to use copyright.

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Quote from: South Park on August 13, 2020, 12:16:16 PM

Quote from: mersal on August 13, 2020, 03:34:56 AM

Quote from: South Park on August 09, 2020, 01:27:51 PM

Quote from: sabotag3x on August 05, 2020, 11:58:02 AM

I'm not a big fan of intellectual property.. As a example, imagine if Bitcoin were patented..

As reported in some replies, you will waste a lot of time and money.. therefore I advice you to sell your idea to a casino or supplier, that way you can earn some money and allow other people to evolve your ideia..

But even if that is what you want to do it will be way easier to do that if you have some kind of copyright protection, because if you try to sell your idea without that protection and you reveal it to a bunch of casinos most likely they have the means to produce a perfect clone in a matter of days or weeks without your aid and they could even patent the idea before you do stripping you off your rightful property, so if that is the path that you want to take you still need to copyright your ideas.

Legit casinos might buy if for few hundreds and will patent it and who knows it could turns out into million dollar idea but it only depends on the idea since not every game is going to get the attraction of players and it should be more addictive as well if the casino should buy it from their money.Copyright may not give complete protection for your product and it is also not possible for everyone to get for their inventions.

It is true that a copyright protection is not everything you still need to be smart, for example if it was me the one that had a good idea about a new game for a casino and I was completely sure that it will become a success instead of selling my idea for a few hundred bucks I will probably ask for a cut of the profits, if the game is not successful you will get almost nothing but if it is as successful as you think it is you're going to get incredible royalties out of it.

Asking for the share in the total profits made is better and fair compared to the selling the whole idea because we will get the shares forever if that business is going successful.Is there anyone in the world making such kind of earning in gambling related copyrights.

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Quote from: mersal on August 13, 2020, 03:34:56 AM

Quote from: South Park on August 09, 2020, 01:27:51 PM

Quote from: sabotag3x on August 05, 2020, 11:58:02 AM

I'm not a big fan of intellectual property.. As a example, imagine if Bitcoin were patented..

As reported in some replies, you will waste a lot of time and money.. therefore I advice you to sell your idea to a casino or supplier, that way you can earn some money and allow other people to evolve your ideia..

But even if that is what you want to do it will be way easier to do that if you have some kind of copyright protection, because if you try to sell your idea without that protection and you reveal it to a bunch of casinos most likely they have the means to produce a perfect clone in a matter of days or weeks without your aid and they could even patent the idea before you do stripping you off your rightful property, so if that is the path that you want to take you still need to copyright your ideas.

Legit casinos might buy if for few hundreds and will patent it and who knows it could turns out into million dollar idea but it only depends on the idea since not every game is going to get the attraction of players and it should be more addictive as well if the casino should buy it from their money.Copyright may not give complete protection for your product and it is also not possible for everyone to get for their inventions.

It is true that a copyright protection is not everything you still need to be smart, for example if it was me the one that had a good idea about a new game for a casino and I was completely sure that it will become a success instead of selling my idea for a few hundred bucks I will probably ask for a cut of the profits, if the game is not successful you will get almost nothing but if it is as successful as you think it is you're going to get incredible royalties out of it.

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Quote from: mersal on August 13, 2020, 03:34:56 AM

Quote from: South Park on August 09, 2020, 01:27:51 PM

Quote from: sabotag3x on August 05, 2020, 11:58:02 AM

I'm not a big fan of intellectual property.. As a example, imagine if Bitcoin were patented..

As reported in some replies, you will waste a lot of time and money.. therefore I advice you to sell your idea to a casino or supplier, that way you can earn some money and allow other people to evolve your ideia..

But even if that is what you want to do it will be way easier to do that if you have some kind of copyright protection, because if you try to sell your idea without that protection and you reveal it to a bunch of casinos most likely they have the means to produce a perfect clone in a matter of days or weeks without your aid and they could even patent the idea before you do stripping you off your rightful property, so if that is the path that you want to take you still need to copyright your ideas.

Legit casinos might buy if for few hundreds and will patent it and who knows it could turns out into million dollar idea but it only depends on the idea since not every game is going to get the attraction of players and it should be more addictive as well if the casino should buy it from their money.Copyright may not give complete protection for your product and it is also not possible for everyone to get for their inventions.

That will be the big casino's benefit because they can patent the idea with their money, so they don't have to bother with the copyright. At least, with copyright, that can help them protect their product, and if a website uses their product without asking them, they can get them to the law. If we have the copyright, we can research more and update it so the product will be better than the first time released.

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Quote from: South Park on August 09, 2020, 01:27:51 PM

Quote from: sabotag3x on August 05, 2020, 11:58:02 AM

I'm not a big fan of intellectual property.. As a example, imagine if Bitcoin were patented..

As reported in some replies, you will waste a lot of time and money.. therefore I advice you to sell your idea to a casino or supplier, that way you can earn some money and allow other people to evolve your ideia..

But even if that is what you want to do it will be way easier to do that if you have some kind of copyright protection, because if you try to sell your idea without that protection and you reveal it to a bunch of casinos most likely they have the means to produce a perfect clone in a matter of days or weeks without your aid and they could even patent the idea before you do stripping you off your rightful property, so if that is the path that you want to take you still need to copyright your ideas.

Legit casinos might buy if for few hundreds and will patent it and who knows it could turns out into million dollar idea but it only depends on the idea since not every game is going to get the attraction of players and it should be more addictive as well if the casino should buy it from their money.Copyright may not give complete protection for your product and it is also not possible for everyone to get for their inventions.

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Quote from: target on August 05, 2020, 12:32:47 PM

Protecting it will not last long. There had been many patented products in the past that will just not used in the end all because of patent.

depends of the product if the product is not interesting and you will patent it , thats useless

Quote from: target on August 05, 2020, 12:32:47 PM

I have no idea about this fantasy-football but if you have a game run by code then perhaps registering it as opensource will be a better option for more people will be able to help improved it but will still recognize your work as well.

i heard this fantasy thing on the past and it has many variations now not just football . that means it was succesful . it also depends on the dev if they want thier project to be open source .most of projects now are open source but there are few that arent but still continue to be succesfull .

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Quote from: South Park on August 09, 2020, 01:27:51 PM

But even if that is what you want to do it will be way easier to do that if you have some kind of copyright protection, because if you try to sell your idea without that protection and you reveal it to a bunch of casinos most likely they have the means to produce a perfect clone in a matter of days or weeks without your aid and they could even patent the idea before you do stripping you off your rightful property, so if that is the path that you want to take you still need to copyright your ideas.

Definitely, it is a must that before we let our ideas out especially if it is an online gambling idea, we should patent it knowing that it doesn't contain any characters that has publicity or contents that originally made by others even if we think that we already improved it and developed it. If we are sure that our game idea is purely unique, protect it with copyright, who knows? if they stole it and implemented it to their platform, they might earn higher than you who created the idea.

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Quote from: sabotag3x on August 05, 2020, 11:58:02 AM

I'm not a big fan of intellectual property.. As a example, imagine if Bitcoin were patented..

As reported in some replies, you will waste a lot of time and money.. therefore I advice you to sell your idea to a casino or supplier, that way you can earn some money and allow other people to evolve your ideia..

But even if that is what you want to do it will be way easier to do that if you have some kind of copyright protection, because if you try to sell your idea without that protection and you reveal it to a bunch of casinos most likely they have the means to produce a perfect clone in a matter of days or weeks without your aid and they could even patent the idea before you do stripping you off your rightful property, so if that is the path that you want to take you still need to copyright your ideas.

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Definitely at this point, when you do not have the know how on these sorts of things, like I do. Then I will talk to a lawyer, specially the one who handles patents. I know that the costs of these lawyers is quite expensive and that you will spend a big sum for their services but unfortunately there is nothing I can think of at this point. I don't know if there are any law offices that charge very low on consultation and I don't know if there are any Public attorneys that also do these kinds of patent related services.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on August 05, 2020, 04:51:51 PM

To my knowledge in general there are several subjects that can be patented, namely technology, machinery and pharmacy.
Besides that cannot be patented, moreover ideas and concepts cannot be patented. Maybe I think the new gambling idea
you mean can not be patented, but to be more confident and not the wrong step first consultation with a lawyer is the
right step.

Its better if you can consult with the local lawyer for this patented idea because he will be in a better position to explain you if it is possible and under which conditions. OP may get 100 of ideas from here but only the local lawyer will be able to provide him with 100% accurate information.

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Quote from: bitbollo on August 01, 2020, 12:46:04 PM

I have a question , and maybe you're more expert about this argument...
If some one get an idea about a New Gambling game, it can be "patented"? If yes how it can be done?

Just as E.G. "fantasy-football" how to protect the idea of a game like this? just with trademark?

You can of course patent it and you should do so, if you think it's a great new game/style. As a single, private person it won't be easy to stop people from copying it and you would have to have some money at hand to pay lawyers etc., but legally you can sue and stop them. I guess you will spend a lot of time in court though, if it's some revolutionary new game Cheesy

For a start I would go to a patent office and apply for it and I would suggest an international/world-wide patent for this matter. And maybe some lawyer to help you with the paperwork

And I thought securing a patent would be that easy. After reading your response, looks like I have to work on making sure that the work will not be copied by others, and in case it was copied then I need to spend more money paying lawyers to stop the other parties to use my patented invention. If there is a good way to secure that without the expensive lawyers and expensive cases on court then I'd be happy to share and hopefully profit from my invention.

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