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Quote from: bitbollo on August 01, 2020, 12:46:04 PM

I have a question , and maybe you're more expert about this argument...
If some one get an idea about a New Gambling game, it can be "patented"? If yes how it can be done?

Just as E.G. "fantasy-football" how to protect the idea of a game like this? just with trademark?

Trademark and patent are completely two different things. But here you will need both. Patent for the idea and trademark for the name. This way you can protect your interest.

I will suggest you to get in touch with patent lawyers of your country. Just try to google with this keyword and you will receive plenty of them. They will help you to prepare your documentation. Please note, it usually takes 4-6 months of time to process your patent application.

Finally, always execute a NDA with the lawyer along with indemnity clause before you start expressing your ideas to them!

Hope this helps!

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Literally you can patent any new idea and the whole outcome as two different things, for inside your country and for the whole world.If it is an online game then getting patent in your country has no use and while international it is hard to acquire one to be honest and even if you did then it is easy to change few things and can develop the same idea in new form then can be placed on sites to play.

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since this is not my area of expertise I decide to ask some opinions about it.

I mean fantasy-football has registered just the gaming structure/trademark.
well, the most important idea for me it's to protect this innovation. Feel free to propose/suggest some solution.

What could be the simple way to "protect" it? What could be the simple and easy way to have the paternity (and a sort of legal protection) about an idea launched online?
I don't know exactly if this can be defined "an innovation" this game. I have no idea about money involved/required.

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Of course everything can be patented, including new gambling ideas. First you have to find a lawyer to help with paperwork matters.
And make sure copyright applies internationally, so if someone uses your gambling idea. You can sue legally,because you will have
legality. But things like this certainly require a large enough cost.

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If the idea is new and unique it can be patented any works can be patented but knowing here only only it can modified to make it appear that the work is new but at least if you patented it you have a legal claim to your work and you will have a chance in any legal battle if your work is copied and you want to make a claim of infringement.

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You know the cost of patenting intellectual property is going to cost you a lot of money, so I hope your idea is going to be awesome for you to cover the patent costs.

" The average cost to patent an idea using an attorney is between $6,000 to $12,000 with overall prices ranging from $900 if you file yourself, up to $16,900 depending on the complexity of the invention. " - Source : https://thervo.com/costs/how-much-does-a-patent-cost

$5,000 – $8,000 Simple Idea
$8,000 – $12,000 Average Idea
$12,000 – $16,000 Complex Idea

https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2018/11/17/protecting-idea-can-ideas-be-patented/id=103389/ - According to this you cannot patent an idea, but you can have Copyright on material that has been produced by yourself. Wink

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Quote from: bitbollo on August 01, 2020, 12:46:04 PM

I have a question , and maybe you're more expert about this argument...
If some one get an idea about a New Gambling game, it can be "patented"? If yes how it can be done?

Just as E.G. "fantasy-football" how to protect the idea of a game like this? just with trademark?

Yes it could done but you can optionally credit the game and the owner you want to patent. But, there are other games that are a little bit similar just like DOTA2 it actually originate from war craft, and ML is same as strategic mobile game like DOTA2, Crossfire, PUB, CALL OF DUTY and others are just like the old game but still alive in esports the Counter strike but there could be older than those games and just being patented also.

Well it is up to you just do not copy everything like names, the interface and gameplay. Just make your own.

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Any intellectual idea can be patented if it is legally registered as a property of a person or an organization. However, if it is an idea of an online casino, with the use of cryptocurrency, I do not know if it would be the same situation. As we all know, not all government globally are pleased with cryptocurrencies. But, when it comes to the gaming industry, I think they do have different approach with this.

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If you invent new methods/technology that useful to the gaming industry, you can patent it (and use the tech name as your trademark) just like Megaways (tm).
Big Time Gaming earn lots of money by licensing its patent.

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Quote from: bitbollo on August 01, 2020, 12:46:04 PM

I have a question , and maybe you're more expert about this argument...
If some one get an idea about a New Gambling game, it can be "patented"? If yes how it can be done?

Just as E.G. "fantasy-football" how to protect the idea of a game like this? just with trademark?

I assume that you can go to a Patent and Trademark Office in order to protect your idea about your game. This will somehow prevent others to use your idea to make money. However, as an individual, there will be a lot of stuff to do if someone steals your idea, especially when you're idea has a tremendous impact on the gambling industry. The money will need to be spent to hire lawyers and the better the lawyer, the higher chance you will win the suing. Also, you can cooperate with a gambling company because you will have a better opportunity to spread your game widely and worldwide.

We are living in the 4.0 industry world and because of that, the patent is extremely important. A single idea can easily be stolen and used to benefits themselves. Moreover, they can earn a huge amount of money with that stolen design. Therefore, try your best to protect what truly belongs to you

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This article could probably help, but this are applicable for US patents.

If you will use contents, characters with public domains, it could probably be copied, but if the content, structure and gameplay is unique, these are the games that will be available to be patented.

You may also take this intro consideration,

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company that innovates a process can’t patent it

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Quote from: bitbollo on August 01, 2020, 12:46:04 PM

I have a question , and maybe you're more expert about this argument...
If some one get an idea about a New Gambling game, it can be "patented"? If yes how it can be done?

Just as E.G. "fantasy-football" how to protect the idea of a game like this? just with trademark?

Better to ask someone with authority maybe a lawyer and I think you need to register that game under your company or your name so that it will not be steal by anyone. But in terms of games that is being launch in the web I think there will be another way. But also you need to be sure that the game you are about to work or create is also not yet available in the market.

I agree with this because we don't know what the procedure is in every country, and I think there is a different method to patent the product. Besides that, the @OP is from the EU. At least, we can visit a lawyer who knows about patent/trademark or else so we can know the right answer because the new gambling games that we want to be patent can be used in physical casinos or online casinos.

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Quote from: bitbollo on August 01, 2020, 12:46:04 PM

I have a question , and maybe you're more expert about this argument...
If some one get an idea about a New Gambling game, it can be "patented"? If yes how it can be done?

Just as E.G. "fantasy-football" how to protect the idea of a game like this? just with trademark?

Better to ask someone with authority maybe a lawyer and I think you need to register that game under your company or your name so that it will not be steal by anyone. But in terms of games that is being launch in the web I think there will be another way. But also you need to be sure that the game you are about to work or create is also not yet available in the market.

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You could try and create a trademark but these are only granting you protection for 10 years or so and are also region-restricted. All and all it's just too much effort to try and get one and you rarely see any such efforts being put for a gambling website that is new. Especially if its a startup, they usually try to invest in having a good platform and having the firs comer advantage other than trademarking as their first step. Other than that, the logo of a company could very well fall under copyright. So with copyright you don't need to apply. You just get it by publicizing your work first. I think that's much better than having to go through an application.

So long story short, better just build a brand name by being innovative.

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Quote from: robelneo on August 01, 2020, 03:19:46 PM

Not every gambling game can be patented I tried to Google some information but there are few keywords that can solve the queries
if this is online gaming or gambling it should have something that addresses the solution of specific technical problems

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All applications that include technical aspects are patentable only if they are new and put forward an innovative solution/idea. This means that inventions that have to do with computer programs must have a technical character so they can be patented. If they are using technical means to address the solution of a specific technical problem, then these computer programs are considered patentable

There is a word of notice also

Well we can't patent anything that already exist and possibly already patented. It is obvious that the patent office will only allow those that are new or innovative.

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Word of Notice: Patents in the online gambling industry can be used to protect some elements. However, one of the main issues for the majority of developers is piracy and the fact that some other elements of their creations can be easily replicated without anyone facing any consequences. It is amazing how small changes in a handful of elements can allow a developer to use the same theme and features under a different name.

So with this they can replicated it without any legal issues.

More on this article
https://brela-tz.org/patents-in-the-casino-industry/

Possible there is modification on the program or feature of the gambling games. It will never be considered pirating since the program itself is different from the original even though it originated from other's idea. The thing is even the idea that was patented is also derived from an older idea but was just modified. So yes, it is fair for the latter modified replica to be exempted from any consequences.

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Thank you all for your comments, since I am based in EU I will try to look furthermore the current situation in my country/EU.
If anyone has some specific example (or a practical way to operate) please feel free to reply to my topic.

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Quote from: bitbollo on August 01, 2020, 12:46:04 PM

I have a question , and maybe you're more expert about this argument...
If some one get an idea about a New Gambling game, it can be "patented"? If yes how it can be done?

Just as E.G. "fantasy-football" how to protect the idea of a game like this? just with trademark?

It all depends on the country where you live. Not in all countries you can patent the rules and mechanics of the game. For example, this cannot be done in Russia and India. However, even there, intellectual property lawyers find loopholes how to do this. In the US, you can patent the rules and mechanics of the game, so it will be much easier to do this there.
You need to find a good intellectual property lawyer and consult with them.

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Quote from: bitbunnny on August 02, 2020, 07:26:06 AM

It's possible but it's not easy. My country has a intellctual property office where a person or a company can apply and protect the patent, trademark or similar. Since this is in EU, once you protect it It's valid in every EU member state. However, that doesn't mean that others will not try to copy you.
So, basicly the whole procedure depends on the country you live in.

Probably it is more applicable in a physical casino rather than online one. Even if you get a patent you cannot stop other gambling sites from using it and it is hard to take legal action for a site located online and operated outside of your country.

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It's possible but it's not easy. My country has a intellctual property office where a person or a company can apply and protect the patent, trademark or similar. Since this is in EU, once you protect it It's valid in every EU member state. However, that doesn't mean that others will not try to copy you.
So, basicly the whole procedure depends on the country you live in.

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