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legendary
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A few days ago i shared a news where Australia will ban Gambling through credit cards, now it seems that they are moving another step ahead in this and now Australia Introduces New ID Requirements for Online Gamblers

The general purpose for this is to reduce gambling in Australia but they will make excuses that this is done to overcome underage gambling etc.
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The measure would mitigate certain problems such as underage gambling or gambling harm, Responsible Wagering Australia says

Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?  

If I remember correctly, during Covid, Australia was one of those countries where quarantine took extremely totalitarian forms. It seems that since then the authorities have only aimed at banning/regulating everything that can be banned/regulated. Parasite officials are once again creating problems in order to “solve” them later; if voters do not deal with these parasites, then it will only get worse.
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Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?  


Australia do their part to help their citizen minimize gambling as much as possible. The problem should be blamed to the guardians in case a minor age can gamble using their ID since KYC verification requires selfie holding ID which can’t be done without the ID owner attention.

It onky means they allowed the verification process on gambling since their country is already announcing tons of restrictions to gambling yet they don’t even care to check what the heck their children doing on their ID.
legendary
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First I though this news have connections with credit card ban, turns out Australia are simply crazy about gambling Cheesy While credit card bans are stupid, KYC system to limit underaged gamblers might help Australia. However, no one has cancelled shady ID market usage. But, after reading an article from first post, I did not find anything new towards ID requirements. Ok, they gonna ask for identification to see if gambler is 18+ or 21+, before he places a bet. But I see nothing new here. What were their requirements to gamble offline and online before that? Like welcoming everyone from baby in cradle to deeply aged people with dementia to gamble? Any Australian representative here ?
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Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?  
Gamblers can always find a way, but of course if you don't want to be in trouble then better to follow the regulations.
The ID verification might not totally reduced the volume of underage gambler, its up to the adults now if they really want to help those young people to get involve in gambling.
Australian government sees something that is important to address, and it's for the better in general. In my country, we still have no strict regulation but I hope they are working into this so they can eliminate fake sites and fake agents.
Is this all about eliminating fake sites and fake agents? Because I can't read anywhere about this point of yours, this post is about how people are ruining their lives with the help of credit cards on online casinos, and also it looks more like they plan to end gambling the easy way.

People aren't falling into scam casinos in Australia, people are losing their lives and savings to gambling and the government gets to know about it, too much debt that may never get paid and it's disastrous for the people living in Australia.

I doubt that this approach will stop some gamers from gambling but we are not all the same so I expect that some people will probably give up on gambling because of this strict restriction, especially the underage who pretend to be old enough.
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The regulations on online gambling platforms carried out by the Australian government are very good considering that currently access to online gambling platforms is very easy and with regulations that require people to verify their identity it will reduce underage people from gambling or various other problems.
Even though children can get around this by uploading their parents' or other people's IDs, the Australian government has certainly thought about this problem and has a solution for it.
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Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?  
To prevent the minors to gamble online. This is a good initiative to get rid (or if not), to minimize the minors playing even they're still underage since online casinos are accessible and anyone can lie about their real age.

Although this might discourage the gamblers who don't want to expose their identity and still wants to have a privacy, they can't do anything about it but to comply. Otherwise, you can't enjoy playing online because of this new requirement.
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Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?  


I had no idea that Australia has a such a large problems with minors gambling online. The need for new IDs to visit online casino is going to make process of creating new accounts a bit longer, but shouldn't be an issue for any adult. If you really want to gamble then showing your ID online is not going to stop you. This will only be a problem for people who don't have an ID yet or who don't meet the age requirements. Migrants who arrived newly in Australia or minors seem to be the target here. What I wonder is how all these kids are able to use their parents money for gambling without them knowing it. It one thing to streal the ID of your dad for 20 minutes to make a new casino account and something completely different to steal money regularly to gamble online. Maybe it would be better to make an information campaign for the parents to check mote after their kids. If someone really wants to gamble they will find ways to get around or break the system, better to involve the parents to get control of the kids again.
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Australia, especially recently has started to offer very serious specifications in order to minimize gambling habits. In addition to restricting the money that individuals can spend on gambling with many regulations, many new regulations have begun to be created in order to minimize the rate of gambling with various actions. In fact, although the main aim is to reduce the rate of gambling with many decisions taken and many regulations implemented, it is a very good thing that casinos are also subject to strict inspections with government control. These regulations, in addition to controlling both individuals and casinos also enable casinos to provide services within the framework of a certain responsibility towards their users.

Especially considering physical casinos I think that the KYC procedure is mandatory for all users before this decision. Although this may seem like a newly announced decision it was actually a long-standing rule that should be implemented by every casino.
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How about those who are living in Australia who will signup on a casino as U.S citizens? The government doesn't understand how desperate gamblers can be, they are able to monitor gamblers in that country because they are using credit card, now that crypto is popular, they can easily abandoned every casinos that only accept Fiat through Credit Card payment.

After reading through the website, this do got me

By asking for ID before allowing consumers to play, companies will effectively prevent efforts to circumvent their social responsibility protocols. As a result, operators will be able to identify underage individuals or self-excluded players, stopping them from placing bets.

Like it seems that they want to stop their people from all gambling activities, what do they mean by self-excluded players? Anyways I doubt it's ever going to work, there some badass proxies and premium VPNs that people can use to create accounts on online casinos right from the heart of Australia.
hero member
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It's strange that Australia hasn't already required ID verification from the online casinos.
I can think of countless ways to bypass this new requirement, but I'm not sure how effective they will be.
Many Australian gamblers might start using residential proxies(they are better than VPNs) in order to change their location and signup to foreign online casinos(where KYC isn't mandatory). Proxy providers like IPRoyal were offering static residential proxies for an affordable price.

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yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father).

The people, who let their son or little brother gamble online by using their personal data should be punished. The problem is that it's almost impossible to find such people and to prove their quilt.
legendary
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It won't be very popular with cryptocurrency casinos, where there is still some privacy compared to fiat casinos, but I agree. There is an eternal debate between freedom (or lack of privacy) and security; and in this case of casinos I am fine with such measures being taken to prevent underage gambling.

Yes they can find some workaround or use other online casinos but for how long? There may be new ones that comes out every now and then but how reputable are they? These underage can continue to "run" until such time they encounter a scam casino or when their funds are seized because of casino's sudden change in KYC policy.

If more and more measures like this are implemented, the percentage of minors who are able to find workarounds will continue to drop. There is another thing that can be done very easily too: force that in every deposit to a casino, apart from putting your card details, you have to confirm with your cell phone, via the app of your bank or otherwise, so that the underage will need not only the card, but also the cell phone to deposit and this reduces the chances too.
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Perhaps that could be a solution to tackle underage gambling, but it still doesn't seem feasible because children may have known the casino for a long time. They may not use the casino again if there are more requirements that the casino will set. They will also move and look for another casino that is not too strict in implementing its rules.
It's a step in the right direction if the goal is to prevent kids from gambling. Yes they can find some workaround or use other online casinos but for how long? There may be new ones that comes out every now and then but how reputable are they? These underage can continue to "run" until such time they encounter a scam casino or when their funds are seized because of casino's sudden change in KYC policy.
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Perhaps that could be a solution to tackle underage gambling, but it still doesn't seem feasible because children may have known the casino for a long time. They may not use the casino again if there are more requirements that the casino will set. They will also move and look for another casino that is not too strict in implementing its rules.

However, children may still be able to use their parents' (older brother's or father's or uncle's) IDs to verify their accounts. So we'll see how it will be implemented and what percentage of success it will be. But hopefully, this can really reduce the number of children addicted to gambling.
legendary
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Scare the kids who are gambling using the identities of their elder relatives or friends.
Putting it on the news will rattle them a bit and it could reduce the number of kids that are gambling without the knowledge of their parents and their government. They may be hiding it for that kind of reason but it's a good move if they are really planning to minimize the number of Australian gamblers.
Scare them off, let them know that they are serious about it, and make them feel that every transaction will be tracked by the government.
It's wrong for gamblers who like their privacy intact but for the government's plan to be successful then it must be done. This kind of action might actually help to gradually reduce the number of gamblers in the long run especially if you are the kind of person who doesn't like the government sniffing around your bank account or other financial accounts.
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This is one way to prevent the youth from bypassing the ID system of Australia for gambling. I have nothing against it, and I don't see anything wrong in getting it passed as I believe it does more good than harm. Aussies might need to exert a little more effort if they really want to gamble. It's not too much of an effort and lots of information involved, but it does repel teenagers in accessing gambling platforms.


The Kyc to the gambling site was the welcome one,because the website which asking for the kyc will not get involve in the scam mostly.The Australia now was regulating the gambling sites and doesn’t ban the gambling site.Some people think in the wrong way of the Australia in gambling sites.Australia was not against the gambling sites,because the Australia is the biggest economy.The economy of the Australia is not the poor like the other country to ban the gambling in their country.
legendary
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This is one way to prevent the youth from bypassing the ID system of Australia for gambling. I have nothing against it, and I don't see anything wrong in getting it passed as I believe it does more good than harm. Aussies might need to exert a little more effort if they really want to gamble. It's not too much of an effort and lots of information involved, but it does repel teenagers in accessing gambling platforms.
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Just like experiments, they need a few tweaks to gauge the effectiveness of the steps they take. The sizable gambling population in Australia has led to numerous individuals experiencing losses, with a 2022 report revealing that a staggering $22 billion of gamblers' funds vanished into the abyss of defeat. This underscores the necessity for Australia to begin enhancing its gambling mechanisms in order to reduce them to a more typical level.

Imposing restrictions on young children is a highly plausible means of safeguarding their future from gambling addiction. Alternatively, a more positive outcome would be for these children to remain entirely oblivious to gambling, allowing them to grow into adulthood without the influence of gambling in Australia.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-welfare/gambling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_in_Australia

Australia is indeed a country with huge gambling communities and societies. A great number of them are addicts, the government is unsure of what decision to choose. Whether to ban gambling in the country or moderate it. The benefits of gambling money to the country is not balancing with the disaster it causes to her citizens. In such a condition, new ideas, techniques and processes would be needed in the country. Which helps to decrease the rate of addiction to a minimal amount. From other responses I've read, members said its purpose is to get hold of the young generation. As it'll be difficult to control a country where people are not restricted from gambling. It's like a treat to them, expect more security measures from the Australian government. I support it. Young people deserve better.  Like you said, it gets beyond control everyday, it'll be hard to fully restrict young people. That's why they try different methods, especially in this online gambling era. Multiple loopholes, where they can boycott the rules. It's a torn to their flesh. Government money go into gambling from numerous loans and debts of addicts. Are there tired of gambling money? because it doesn't seem like a publicity trick. The bad side of gambling has affected a lot of communities. Tarnishing the future of the addicted players. Their restricting method is not quite efficient to put the problem to a halt. They need perfect techniques.
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I can’t imagine a physical casino not doing KYC on their customers. Don’t they do that already? If so, what’s the purpose of this new law?  I believe they make lots of money from gambling in Australia. If they make it harder for the players, then the Australian government will lose lots of money. That means less health care, less infrastructure, less security etc…

I think they are trying to ban gambling without directly banning it because they don’t have the balls to do it. The sheeple are not sheep enough.
But I don't think banning gambling completely will be possible. That's why if they can tighten the requirements even in online gambling, they will bound to do it so that minor gamblers will not be allowed to gamble anymore because gambling will only make their lives miserable in the future. And parents should be responsible as well to not tolerate their minors steal their IDs as they can also be blamed for that if these minors will get addicted to gambling.

I can see that Australia is just trying to prevent their citizens not to fall deeply in gambling addiction. And they find online gambling could make a good start.
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Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?

Firstly, Australia is wanting to clear its name, as in recent months gambling in this country has become a worldwide known problem and this is not good for the country. See that this affects not only online games or the local population, but Australia's relationships with other countries.

Secondly, I believe they are trying to disincentivize gambling throughout society, not just by banning underage gambling, but by making it so difficult for business that no local casino will want to continue doing it.

But, with so many online games based in other countries and easily accessible in Australia, online games will continue to exist there, so I believe that all these measures will not bring many benefits to the country.
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So this new rule :
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By asking for ID before allowing consumers to play
Or this one which was used before :
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system where bettors had a 72-hour window to prove their identity.

Where’s exactly the modification on the requirements if you only decide to do a verification before playing or after? How this measures will prevent underage or fraudulent gamblers from verifying their accounts if they could do after 72 hours? Is me who didn’t understand this well or it’s really so silly?
There are many better options to prevent fraud or any criminal activities with casinos, real effective methods such as confirming accounts or special withdrawal orders of significant sums of money by a manual video call.
Verifying the names in lists that government will provide of the most known money laundering organizations for example.
In order to really find an effective way to fight such activities, the casino should invest in workers and systems. I must say that any 16 yo child can bypass these measures and can edit and create a fake ID or even use his own relatives ID.
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