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Quote from: noormcs5 on September 30, 2023, 01:52:16 AM

Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?

The only way to reduce and limits people from using their elderly ID's to verify their account is to set a facial recognition by so doing if the identity details doesn't corelate with the face recognition then such account should be halted for cheating. However this regulations and the new ID, does the ID control the limits your wager could be or when this new identity is being used it only sets a kind of restrictions account during finding?
There must be something that could connects with the new ID, but have they also thought that one can deposit without using their credit card, gamblers can easily used bitcoin to gamble (to withdrawal and deposit).

I think the ID requirement for gamblers in Australia is a very good approach to stop children from online gambling and should be adopted by most countries of the world in other to stop the increasing number if children who's been gambling online.
Children who wants to gamble will definitely be spotted through the ID requirement and stopped from engaging in gambling

Did you think there could be a compromise?
When the ID is being introduced within some specific period of time and they noticed some kinds of restrictions that involves in gambling or that relates with funds deposit and limitations they could source for a way to compromise the whole system, maybe most of them could still their parents account to start gambling if the new ID restrictions is not applicable to the older people then you would find the underage kids using their parents details. So in my own opinion and suggestions this restrictions to should sets to all citizens including old and young if this is the best way to control and reduce the risk associated with how much they could gamble with.

If they would really be that tending to have that ban then it would really be definitely be affecting that taxation that they could get on gambling industry and this is why this kind of suggestion whether it would really

be that implemented or would really be just sticking into that ID identification rather than on having that no exemption or whatever terms that they would be setting in. If they do really have those plans on controlling from young people to engage on with gambling then it is really that somewhat pointless or something that could really be easily be bypassed which we know that ID
and other information could really be easily be that pass by those youngsters who are really that wise on trying to make things turn around and make them believed that it was
a legit adult did make out such deposit.

Each country does have their own regulations and set of rules in speaking about gambling.Some do mind about having that control and some doesnt really care at all
as long they would really be able to take advantage if we do speak about taxation then this what matter most fo them and dont mine other
probabilities or things that could happen.

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Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?

The only way to reduce and limits people from using their elderly ID's to verify their account is to set a facial recognition by so doing if the identity details doesn't corelate with the face recognition then such account should be halted for cheating. However this regulations and the new ID, does the ID control the limits your wager could be or when this new identity is being used it only sets a kind of restrictions account during finding?
There must be something that could connects with the new ID, but have they also thought that one can deposit without using their credit card, gamblers can easily used bitcoin to gamble (to withdrawal and deposit).

I think the ID requirement for gamblers in Australia is a very good approach to stop children from online gambling and should be adopted by most countries of the world in other to stop the increasing number if children who's been gambling online.
Children who wants to gamble will definitely be spotted through the ID requirement and stopped from engaging in gambling

Did you think there could be a compromise?
When the ID is being introduced within some specific period of time and they noticed some kinds of restrictions that involves in gambling or that relates with funds deposit and limitations they could source for a way to compromise the whole system, maybe most of them could still their parents account to start gambling if the new ID restrictions is not applicable to the older people then you would find the underage kids using their parents details. So in my own opinion and suggestions this restrictions to should sets to all citizens including old and young if this is the best way to control and reduce the risk associated with how much they could gamble with.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on October 01, 2023, 07:29:30 AM

Those transactions with the banks with the use of cards are detected with the checking on the system so I guess its a ride move with the additional KYC requirements of the users capability to make pay with those debts.

I'm not sure why the capability to pay is still mentioned here. It's not the government that evaluates your capacity to pay, but rather the credit card companies themselves. When you are granted a credit card, it means you are deemed capable of paying your credit, and as individuals, we each have different credit limits.

What the government is trying to do here is to ensure that credit cards are not used for gambling. This is aimed at reducing gambling addiction, possibly based on their evaluation through data provided by the credit card companies, which may indicate a significant amount of credit being used for gambling purposes.

In short, they are trying to promote responsible gambling.

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If their purpose of introducing such measures is to actually reduce or eliminate the rate of underage gambling among some kid citizens, then I consider it to be a good approach. The issue is that there will always be a way out, and so many of those smart kids can still find a way out. Just like you said, they will still have the IDs of their elder siblings or parents; they could also get them from some mutual uncles or aunts that can do anything for them; they could just convince them to have such IDs for them. There's a saying that in every difficult situation, there is always a way out, and I feel they can still find a way out to continue doing their thing despite the laws.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on September 30, 2023, 01:52:16 AM

A few days ago i shared a news where Australia will ban Gambling through credit cards, now it seems that they are moving another step ahead in this and now Australia Introduces New ID Requirements for Online Gamblers

The general purpose for this is to reduce gambling in Australia but they will make excuses that this is done to overcome underage gambling etc.

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The measure would mitigate certain problems such as underage gambling or gambling harm, Responsible Wagering Australia says

Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?

This seems like the government in Australia is making action regarding with the gambling habits of the people right there's because they didn't make any action take if the number of cases regarding with that is just limited, and due to the increase of transactions the use of the credit cards that cant pay with their debts they implement this kind of rules. Those transactions with the banks with the use of cards are detected with the checking on the system so I guess its a ride move with the additional KYC requirements of the users capability to make pay with those debts.

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A new ID requirement is a good idea I think, it will reduce under-age gamblers for sure. It will also ensure that those who hid their gambling activities from their family will now stop gambling or accept that they are gamblers. What I think will happen now with this new law is that onsite illegal gambling dens will flourish, and it will now help non-KYC crypto casinos gain more users. The use of VPN & TOR will increase for hiding their identity. The final result would be very bad for Australia and ultimately they would rethink these new laws. In the past there have been many instances when a country tried to shadow-ban gambling, the end result was that they had come up with new ideas.

You made a great point there because through the ID the age of the gambler will be revealed and if underage he will be denied access to register an account, I believe this is one of the reasons why some of the licensed casinos are mandated to request for ID for their KYC verification m, and this should be coming from the government a d in the fight against underage gambling.

I don't want to dive into the discussion on the decentralized casinos that allows for all access without kyc, but have hard their own challenges also., so it is better to have a verified account don a reputable casino then trying to hide under the wrong IP to play.

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Does this mean a gambler needs to comply with the KYC of the online gambling site while at the same time, also complying with the governments own KYC in gambling?

Sounds a hassle to me but maybe online gambling sites there will just verified if the gambler already pass the government KYC. The method is not mentioned in the article.

It seems that Australia is really active in making gambling activity there fully regulated.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on September 30, 2023, 01:52:16 AM

Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?

The only way to reduce and limits people from using their elderly ID's to verify their account is to set a facial recognition by so doing if the identity details doesn't corelate with the face recognition then such account should be halted for cheating. However this regulations and the new ID, does the ID control the limits your wager could be or when this new identity is being used it only sets a kind of restrictions account during finding?
There must be something that could connects with the new ID, but have they also thought that one can deposit without using their credit card, gamblers can easily used bitcoin to gamble (to withdrawal and deposit).

I think the ID requirement for gamblers in Australia is a very good approach to stop children from online gambling and should be adopted by most countries of the world in other to stop the increasing number if children who's been gambling online.
Children who wants to gamble will definitely be spotted through the ID requirement and stopped from engaging in gambling

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Quote from: noormcs5 on September 30, 2023, 01:52:16 AM

Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?

Obviously they are trying to achieve a better resolution to the most common gambling issues like what every country has. It does look like they are very alarmed by these issues that they have put an extra effort to impose another step to eliminate irresponsible gambling.
However, minor gamblers may be a little harder to eradicate especially online, because there are several ways to bypass it plus the other casinos might be a little loose with their KYC compliance and lastly, the underground online casinos.

I have come across a casino that demand ID verification before deposits, and I had to submit my ID for verification before being able to play on the casino but then also again I agree that for the fact that rules are rule and casinos already stated it in their t&C make is right for them to demand for such verification requirement of an ID documents.

Although we have casinos like Stake and the rest of the other reputable popular casinos that require just minor level one verification on accounts, just know that when it comes to KYC, every casino with they own unique rules.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on September 30, 2023, 01:52:16 AM

Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?

Australia is changing gambling laws I'm so as to reduce underage gaming and gambling disorder. Although these laws might affect the freedom to gamble in the country, yet I appreciate any change that will prevent children from becoming involved in gambling. Underaged gamblers are highly prone to gambling disorders. Although these laws might have some consequences that should be looked into. I don't know how they intend to handle the rise of unregistered or illegal casinos that will see these restrictive laws as an opportunity to access the Australian gambling market. With these restrictions, VPNs and other privacy website will be used to invade these verifications. But this ID verification is a move at the right direction and we hope to see the impact very soon.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on September 30, 2023, 01:52:16 AM

A few days ago i shared a news where Australia will ban Gambling through credit cards, now it seems that they are moving another step ahead in this and now Australia Introduces New ID Requirements for Online Gamblers

The general purpose for this is to reduce gambling in Australia but they will make excuses that this is done to overcome underage gambling etc.

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The measure would mitigate certain problems such as underage gambling or gambling harm, Responsible Wagering Australia says

Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?

But how would that work? Would there be additional measures to these "new" requirements that they would do? And in addition, wouldn't users just go to a casino without these strict requirements? Like crypto casinos for example. I hardly doubt they'd tell casinos to implement geoblocking for international ones, though if it was officially a law then it should work.

Unless they're able to provide a method where they can detect if the user is different from the id provided, I highly doubt they'd be able to prevent this. Even that method of having your face beside your ID selfie method isn't enough if there's some asses of a parents (or whoever is the real owner of the id) who just allows it.

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The Australian government is taking a new step to reduce underage gambling. But as we know, if it is an online casino, they can use the ID of their parents, older brothers/sisters, or even their father's/mother's siblings. And they can do it without adults knowing. They can also use online crypto casinos that do not ask them to do KYC at the start of their play. And as long as they don't make too large a deposit, they can still gamble at the casino. Of course, the Australian government wants to reduce underage gambling and they also want to collect data on the number of people who gamble. Maybe in the future a tax will be imposed on gamblers as a source of income for the state.

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A new ID requirement is a good idea I think, it will reduce under-age gamblers for sure. It will also ensure that those who hid their gambling activities from their family will now stop gambling or accept that they are gamblers. What I think will happen now with this new law is that onsite illegal gambling dens will flourish, and it will now help non-KYC crypto casinos gain more users. The use of VPN & TOR will increase for hiding their identity. The final result would be very bad for Australia and ultimately they would rethink these new laws. In the past there have been many instances when a country tried to shadow-ban gambling, the end result was that they had come up with new ideas.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on September 30, 2023, 01:52:16 AM

Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father). I wonder by introducing this ID verification what special Australia is looking to achieve from it?

The only way to reduce and limits people from using their elderly ID's to verify their account is to set a facial recognition by so doing if the identity details doesn't corelate with the face recognition then such account should be halted for cheating. However this regulations and the new ID, does the ID control the limits your wager could be or when this new identity is being used it only sets a kind of restrictions account during finding?
There must be something that could connects with the new ID, but have they also thought that one can deposit without using their credit card, gamblers can easily used bitcoin to gamble (to withdrawal and deposit).

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What are the key changes in this new regulation? Will Australia's new ID rules mean that bettors have to provide their ID cards before they can start playing?
Considering that ID (KYC) verification is already a mandatory requirement, why not implement it right during the registration process rather than waiting until after a withdrawal attempt? It seems like a fair approach.

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If the main aim of this is to try to reduce gambling addiction(although not stated), underage gambling and some other health risks issue in gambling, then it would be great but if they have other motives like adding taxes to gambling. Because if they should introduce this, they’ll be able to monitor bettors and also see the see their total spending, wins and loses that way they can allocate the amount they are to pay for tax.

The fact still remains that, even if they introduce this Id requirement before gambling minors will still be able to figure out a way to bypass the system and pretend as if they are of age so the government should keep that at the back of their mind.

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They can't really stop it, but they're making the minors become harder to get into gambling.

Any government will try to make them looks good for caring minors or something like that, they're not really protect all of their citizen. I have a friend who studying in Australia, the fact they're have "fake university" where you're not learn anything and there's no way to finish your college.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on September 30, 2023, 01:52:16 AM

Although most casinos ask for KYC, yet minors still gamble on their elders ' IDs (Elder brother or father).

The KYC problem is actually not that complicated. For example, playing at a large casino like Stake at level 1 only fills in information data without having to provide identity for level 2 verification, of course minors will not go for level 2 verification, because as we know money what they hold is not as big as big gamblers, at most only small gamblers with small bets because minors will not have a lot of money.

So they only carry out level 1 verification, which is more than enough to be able to withdraw money and make deposits, unless they are big gamblers, but even so, I sometimes see minors doing things like that, giving their identity in the name of their uncle, usually their uncle is also a gambler, so there is cooperation between them, it is rare for minors to gamble using their father's identity because it will create new problems for them with their parents.

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Just like experiments, they need a few tweaks to gauge the effectiveness of the steps they take. The sizable gambling population in Australia has led to numerous individuals experiencing losses, with a 2022 report revealing that a staggering $22 billion of gamblers' funds vanished into the abyss of defeat. This underscores the necessity for Australia to begin enhancing its gambling mechanisms in order to reduce them to a more typical level.

Imposing restrictions on young children is a highly plausible means of safeguarding their future from gambling addiction. Alternatively, a more positive outcome would be for these children to remain entirely oblivious to gambling, allowing them to grow into adulthood without the influence of gambling in Australia.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-welfare/gambling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_in_Australia

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Should this requirements really be able to eliminate underage gambling?
what changes compared to before? ok there is one more document....and now? What happen?

In Italy many years ago they introduced the "fan card".
This ID was ... a credit card, the only tool with which you can buy tickets for a football match....
randomly with commissions that go to banks.

I hope this Australian ID is not exploited to introduce electronic payments.... Roll Eyes

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