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hero member
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May 21, 2018, 04:14:41 PM
If we have less new investors, so the prices tend to fluctuate less? How much dependent of new investors the prices are ?
Depends on how much money this investors are bringing in. Less investors with huge capital can make the prices fluctuate more while less investors with minimal capital will have a small effect with regards to the prices.
If they have invested when the price was low then they could fluctuate the market, for the next rally to happen we need to see more investment pouring into bitcoin and these institutional investors are our hope for the next rally and make no mistake about that. Wink
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May 21, 2018, 03:35:29 PM
If we have less new investors, so the prices tend to fluctuate less? How much dependent of new investors the prices are ?

Without new people coming in to the market, it's just the same pool of people trading Bitcoin back and forth amongst themselves, and essentially there is no way to make money without other people losing money. Without new investors bringing new money into the pool, it's essentially a zero sum game because bitcoin is not a productive asset. It doesn't produce income, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. So the only way to realize a profit on owning Bitcoin is to buy it from someone and to sell it to someone else for more than what you paid for it. Because Bitcoin relies on new participants to increase in value, this is what causes some people to accuse it of operating like a pyramid scheme, even though it's not set up to be one specifically.
Apparently, the fact that we keep hammering on adoption is because the more the merrier. I totally agree with everything you have said, considering that whatever is going on with the value in terms of fluctuation is not really caused mainly by investors anyway.

Although, bigger investors can sometimes have some impact, but generally, traders, whales, institutions are basically the ones driving the price based on how the market is perceived but in the long run as more people keep stepping in, it is normal to keep seeing the value being reflected.

I don't see institutional investors having much of a role at all. They have regulated and insured products that allow them to deal with Bitcoin inside the sandbox they're accustomed to (through CBOT or CBOE with futures, etc.) and because those instruments are divorced from actual Bitcoin trading (because they're cash-settled instead of product settled), their actions buying and selling those futures actually don't impact the price of Bitcoin at all because no Bitcoin is traded as a result of trading those futures. Adoption seems to be the main long term driver, and crypto traders appear to be mostly responsible for the price swings on a short term basis. The thing that concerns me is that because of this, Bitcoin has to eventually plateau as it runs out of buyers to adopt it. In contrast, an investment in a company doesn't have a limit on how much it can be worth because its an asset that produces income, and even if it becomes entirely saturated in the market, can distribute earnings in the form of dividends if the capital it creates can no longer be effectively deployed.
hero member
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May 21, 2018, 04:54:19 AM
it depends so much. especially there were so many new players at the last quarter of 2017 that is why the prices increased very fast. it was a very strong bull run. i hope more investors and more companies start to join this ecosystem so we can see a new bullish trend within this year.
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May 21, 2018, 12:38:43 AM
No, the price fluctuate doesn't directly link with the new investors, if we got the same investors but they are more active trade then the price will still fluctuate a lot, new investors will bring new fund it's mean there will be more demand and that will caused the price to moved up
community solidity have big influence in cryptocurrency price.although no new investor in cryptoworld it would not bring negative effect.with same amount investor but with high volume trading it will drive bitcoin price rise.
this will be more influential if many new investors are bringing in a lot of funds to invest, resulting in increased trading volume and a lot of demand, and that will cause the price to rise instantly
investors will certainly have new ones and fresh funds will always go inside the bitcoin turnaround. as now many people are trying to introduce cryptocurrency investment to many people to join
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May 21, 2018, 04:20:15 AM
If we have less new investors, so the prices tend to fluctuate less? How much dependent of new investors the prices are ?

I think new investor with big money can make high fluctuation in market. Cryptocurrency attracting many investment firm to invest their fund in cryptomarket even goldman sachs already open crypto trading desk.
newbie
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May 21, 2018, 02:59:35 AM
Definitely, if there is investment in any project, if the project is well advertised and in demand, then there is a movement on the stock exchange! Money makes money! Large investments affect the market! Everything is natural!  Wink
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May 21, 2018, 12:26:43 AM
If we have less new investors, so the prices tend to fluctuate less? How much dependent of new investors the prices are ?
Depends on how much money this investors are bringing in. Less investors with huge capital can make the prices fluctuate more while less investors with minimal capital will have a small effect with regards to the prices.
sr. member
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May 21, 2018, 12:29:36 AM
I think that is very influential, because the growth of bitcoin is influenced by how big the enthusiast and how much investment value is planted.
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May 21, 2018, 12:04:07 AM
No, the price fluctuate doesn't directly link with the new investors, if we got the same investors but they are more active trade then the price will still fluctuate a lot, new investors will bring new fund it's mean there will be more demand and that will caused the price to moved up
community solidity have big influence in cryptocurrency price.although no new investor in cryptoworld it would not bring negative effect.with same amount investor but with high volume trading it will drive bitcoin price rise.
this will be more influential if many new investors are bringing in a lot of funds to invest, resulting in increased trading volume and a lot of demand, and that will cause the price to rise instantly
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May 20, 2018, 11:28:37 PM
Besides new investors, the grip and stronghold of the previous people over the btcs are also a factor.
sr. member
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May 19, 2018, 01:01:04 PM
Investors are the ones who decide whether the price goes up or down. However, some of them fear the results of the coin they will invest in. That is when the Media comes with the propaganda, thus the price will decreases. Let's take a real life example, if you want to invest in a big project, and the Media or the government are against it, they will spread rumors. Therefore, the investor will fear the outcome, thus he will not invest in it.
sr. member
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May 19, 2018, 11:50:35 AM
Gone are the days most people did not invest the money that they were earning when the had the energy to work and make money so they later retire poor.Now everybody has the willingness to do investments but there are still a lot of problems.As most do not know where to put their money into.Other do not know the right time to invest and others just hope their investment yields better results.
Those days are not gone at all, most people do not invest anything for their retirement and if they do it, they do it in accounts that are controlled by governments and there is no guarantee that they're going to pay in the future or that they are going to pay for a long as you need, this means that people should put their money in investment vehicles that are independent from government control and very few people do that only those that do that I'm invest in gold, silver or bitcoins have any control about their future and the standards of living they are going to have when they retire.
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May 19, 2018, 10:25:40 AM
The more small investors the more stable bitcoin rate. The main task of the adepts and developers is to bring bitcoin to every home

The crypto currency trading market investors as posted on the treed are growing globally, we can notice the participation of more investor on Bitcoin project. The confidence level  for Bitcoin investor are more visible and stable, fundamental are good for the trading market investors. The global acceptance for ALT coin project are getting more investors to put in for specific coin project as posted on the market treed.
hero member
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May 19, 2018, 10:20:01 AM
If we have less new investors, so the prices tend to fluctuate less? How much dependent of new investors the prices are ?
The price is rather dependent on the increment of number of new investors during a short period of time. The shorter that time is and the more money investors pour into a certain cryptocurrency - the more it will affect the price.
sr. member
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May 19, 2018, 10:14:55 AM
The more small investors the more stable bitcoin rate. The main task of the adepts and developers is to bring bitcoin to every home

The entry of digital transaction, crypto currency or ALT coin, on the market trading as posted, shows growing acceptance globally. A lot of investor are coming in, as the level of confidence, the fundamental of the said project are more and more interesting to the crypto currency market. Any issues about ALT coin or on Bitcoin price market value goes up and down base on the market movement on the treed.
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May 19, 2018, 09:48:51 AM
If we have less new investors, so the prices tend to fluctuate less? How much dependent of new investors the prices are ?
Actually investors are always there, they just sometimes waiting for the best time to invest.
legendary
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May 19, 2018, 09:30:58 AM
If we have less new investors, so the prices tend to fluctuate less? How much dependent of new investors the prices are ?

Without new people coming in to the market, it's just the same pool of people trading Bitcoin back and forth amongst themselves, and essentially there is no way to make money without other people losing money. Without new investors bringing new money into the pool, it's essentially a zero sum game because bitcoin is not a productive asset. It doesn't produce income, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. So the only way to realize a profit on owning Bitcoin is to buy it from someone and to sell it to someone else for more than what you paid for it. Because Bitcoin relies on new participants to increase in value, this is what causes some people to accuse it of operating like a pyramid scheme, even though it's not set up to be one specifically.
Apparently, the fact that we keep hammering on adoption is because the more the merrier. I totally agree with everything you have said, considering that whatever is going on with the value in terms of fluctuation is not really caused mainly by investors anyway.

Although, bigger investors can sometimes have some impact, but generally, traders, whales, institutions are basically the ones driving the price based on how the market is perceived but in the long run as more people keep stepping in, it is normal to keep seeing the value being reflected.
newbie
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May 19, 2018, 02:10:22 AM
If we have less new investors, so the prices tend to fluctuate less? How much dependent of new investors the prices are ?

investors really moves market price! big money in the market will move the price upward. let just say that if a certain good jas a higher demand, tge result also to price is high.
sr. member
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May 19, 2018, 01:50:47 AM
No, the price fluctuate doesn't directly link with the new investors, if we got the same investors but they are more active trade then the price will still fluctuate a lot, new investors will bring new fund it's mean there will be more demand and that will caused the price to moved up
community solidity have big influence in cryptocurrency price.although no new investor in cryptoworld it would not bring negative effect.with same amount investor but with high volume trading it will drive bitcoin price rise.
legendary
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May 19, 2018, 12:15:33 AM
This is wrong. New investors are not able to influence prices. They may promote the activity of trading, but they usually trade a small amount of money. If a large consortium enters, the price will be pulled up instantly.
It depends though on the level of investment and the level of adoption by new investors. Normally prices can only be affected by a huge demand and in the case where we get to see some level of mass adoption, sure they are all new investors and we can get to see the price affected as what reflects generally in the outer world will be effected one way or the other in the trading world. Nevertheless, without new investors or the ones in the system trading, there would not be any price movement but since it is a market, it is normal to see this.
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