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Topic: [NEW MINING CLASS] MSCoins - POW coins withing Nxt's POS ecosystem (Read 9578 times)

hero member
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Seems to be the latest one to pop up, best settings instructions included  Cheesy

TIP on minting TORUM SHA3, for those Billionaire Minters, who almost cracked the 100 Billion border:
If you have the hashing power available. The limit is 1'509'000'000 ᚦ per mint at the most.

This means a difficulty of 3'018'000'000, until half of all TORUM are minted.
After that difficulty will rise to 7'036'000'000 if you go for the maximum TORUM to mint.

NXTmint Java Minter works great on high end GPU's, it seams. But to get those amounts of TORUM you'll probably need one or more GPU's blasting at least 150MHps... (Yep, that is a wild guess.)

Minting 1'509'000'000 ᚦ at a time is the maximum set by the NXT Monetary System, being 1/10'000st of the total amount of TORUM to be released.

There is one minter who is about to top the 100 Billion TORUM!
It is almost like in Highlander...  Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 574
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Any of these coins out there still worth mining?

My NXT is stuck because the block chain doesn't download properly

Did you get this solved?
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
Any of these coins out there still worth mining?

My NXT is stuck because the block chain doesn't download properly

You can download the blockchain from peerexplorer.com.

Just delete the nxt_db folder you have and copy in the downloaded folder.
legendary
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Merit: 1723
Any of these coins out there still worth mining?

My NXT is stuck because the block chain doesn't download properly
hero member
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Merit: 500
TORUM thread is hot atm, esp popular with Wolf0  Cheesy

https://nxtforum.org/monetary-system-153/(ann)-torum-sha3-easy-minting/

There is talk of him funding a giveaway too, very generous
hero member
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Ok. As I said, there is a learning curve  Grin I am still learning, the whole concept is only 3 weeks old.


With buying/selling MSCoins, you first decide if you want to be a marketmaker or ordinary buyer/seller. You are the second.

Only those who are marketmakers can put up orders that are visible, as you can in a traditional exchange (which Enzyme/Tempest has just gone through for his/her uranium MSCoin). The difference is, Marketmakers have to display a buy and a sell price.

If you are a ordinary buyer/seller, you have to sell/buy into the marketmakers orders that are visible otherwise they won't get filled ("executed immediately... or not at all"). You only have to put up either buy or sell, not both (unlike the marketmakers). Your MSCoins will become available again, once the order expires or you submit another that replaces it with a very short expiry time.


Marketmakers are important as they don't rely on making money by trying to buy at the bottom and sell at the top (this is what everyone else is doing). They just make the spread between their buy and sell orders in step with whatever the price does (at least good market makers do  Grin) . This "makes a market" as there should be some buy and sell orders no matter what the price is doing. Rather than no buyers at all time highs and no sellers at all time lows.

Most MSCoins would be certainly doomed without this (most MSCoins are likely to 'fail', if becoming the mainstream currency of the world). But it doesn't mean lessons won't be learned.


If you want to look into it further, there is the official documentation from the Core Dev available:
https://nxtforum.org/monetary-system-153/ms-official-documentation. The wiki is a good place to start.


Ok I tried to put an EGOLD buy order the wrong way by putting an exchange request. I see that my buy order isn't on the order book, so not visible to seller. How to cancel that? Tried publish an exchange offer with a really fast expiration, but it didn't clear my exchange request and my NXT are stuck?
hero member
Activity: 574
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Ok. As I said, there is a learning curve  Grin I am still learning, the whole concept is only 3 weeks old.


With buying/selling MSCoins, you first decide if you want to be a marketmaker or ordinary buyer/seller. You are the second.

Only those who are marketmakers can put up orders that are visible, as you can in a traditional exchange (which Enzyme/Tempest has just gone through for his/her uranium MSCoin). The difference is, Marketmakers have to display a buy and a sell price.

If you are a ordinary buyer/seller, you have to sell/buy into the marketmakers orders that are visible otherwise they won't get filled ("executed immediately... or not at all"). You only have to put up either buy or sell, not both (unlike the marketmakers). Your MSCoins will become available again, once the order expires or you submit another that replaces it with a very short expiry time.


Marketmakers are important as they don't rely on making money by trying to buy at the bottom and sell at the top (this is what everyone else is doing). They just make the spread between their buy and sell orders in step with whatever the price does (at least good market makers do  Grin) . This "makes a market" as there should be some buy and sell orders no matter what the price is doing. Rather than no buyers at all time highs and no sellers at all time lows.

Most MSCoins would be certainly doomed without this (most MSCoins are likely to 'fail', if becoming the mainstream currency of the world). But it doesn't mean lessons won't be learned.


If you want to look into it further, there is the official documentation from the Core Dev available:
https://nxtforum.org/monetary-system-153/ms-official-documentation. The wiki is a good place to start.
hero member
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OK, but if it is not fulfilled, should the offer not be listed in the Exchange booth?

Booth doesn't have a order book. If it wasn't fulfilled at the time then you should still have the EGOLD.

But there is an order book - right there in the exchange booth. My order is just not there. There are several orders, lower and higher then mine.

Still, it's probably me... But I really think I lost 750 EGOLD.


See the official MS documentation "Buyers and sellers can issue exchange requests to match published exchange offers. Unlike asset bid/ask orders, exchange requests are not saved, they are either executed immediately (fully or partially) or not executed at all." So if it doesn't match a published order, it will remain unexecuted.


To 'cancel' the order you currently have:

"you should make a new exchange offer and set it so it expires really quick then you will have all your balance back in your account."

The address you mentioned is mine indeed.

Thanks very much! I don't really understand the procedure for cancelling the order; the EGOLD is no longer available to be offered... But please, forget it. I thought there'd be something easy like an oversight of me. If I feel like it I'll try and recreate the situation and see if I really found a bug or that I'm just being stupid.
sr. member
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well i used to mine with my HD 7850 gpu and after september 2014 the scrypt stoped beeing profitable im not sure if the x11 x13 are the same but i know if i have 5,4TB in burst coin mining i dont use 30% of watts and get like 200.000 satoshis per day only with 150 watts per hour witch means i like do 30 to 40 cents per day profit
legendary
Activity: 3808
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I've made a coin called Uranium. It has an extremely fast POW and low difficulty.
I also regularly create small buy walls and the coin is starting to gain momentum.

BTT Ann - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/remove-943017
NXT Ann - https://nxtforum.org/monetary-system-153/(ann)-uranium-uranm-keccak25-rare-fast-pow/

I checked and unless someone already sold in it, there are no bids for that currency only offers. So not profitable to mine unless its get popular.
legendary
Activity: 3808
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Basically its very profitable however you need to be lucky and have the right GPU.

For my GPUs its not profitable at all but if you have an R9 290X then its very profitable when compared to X11/X13.

hero member
Activity: 574
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I've made a coin called Uranium. It has an extremely fast POW and low difficulty.
I also regularly create small buy walls and the coin is starting to gain momentum.

BTT Ann - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/remove-943017
NXT Ann - https://nxtforum.org/monetary-system-153/(ann)-uranium-uranm-keccak25-rare-fast-pow/

You could also post in here for POW MScoins:

https://nxtforum.org/monetary-system-153/pow-mscoins-post-here-for-visibility/
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
OK, but if it is not fulfilled, should the offer not be listed in the Exchange booth?

Booth doesn't have a order book. If it wasn't fulfilled at the time then you should still have the EGOLD.

But there is an order book - right there in the exchange booth. My order is just not there. There are several orders, lower and higher then mine.

Still, it's probably me... But I really think I lost 750 EGOLD.


See the official MS documentation "Buyers and sellers can issue exchange requests to match published exchange offers. Unlike asset bid/ask orders, exchange requests are not saved, they are either executed immediately (fully or partially) or not executed at all." So if it doesn't match a published order, it will remain unexecuted.


To 'cancel' the order you currently have:

"you should make a new exchange offer and set it so it expires really quick then you will have all your balance back in your account."
legendary
Activity: 3808
Merit: 1723
What does everybody use for an R9 270X? I only get 70Mhash/s per GPU.

gpuIntensity=1024

# Set the GPU device number (0, 1, 2, ...), the work group size and the work group count.
# The first GPU device will be used if this parameter is omitted.  This parameter can
# be repeated to use multiple GPU devices.  The GPU devices that are available are
# listed when NxtMint is started with a non-zero value for gpuIntensity.  
gpuDevice=0,256,1000
gpuDevice=1,256,1000
gpuDevice=2,256,1000

I noticed that it is very important to have the latest (version 14) Catalyst drivers installed. I use 0,256 with intensity 512.

No whatever I try I get only 80Mhash/s per 270X. I updated the drivers and used your settings.

Version 1.3.0 doesn't show any hashrates so I use 1.4.0


I also keep getting the
"Native library NxtMint_x86 is not available - using Java CPU hash routines"

even though I linked to the jni directory.

On most hash algorithms, 270X gets a bit less than half of what a 290X does, so that sounds fairly close. About the CPU hash routines, it doesn't matter as long as you're not CPU mining.

So EGOLD is currently the only profitable GPU coin out there?
ELEMS dosen't work on GPU and the rest of the coins have no bidders so they are useless.

I tried FORKK but the max mint is 1 so you end up losing money on that one.
legendary
Activity: 3808
Merit: 1723
What does everybody use for an R9 270X? I only get 70Mhash/s per GPU.

gpuIntensity=1024

# Set the GPU device number (0, 1, 2, ...), the work group size and the work group count.
# The first GPU device will be used if this parameter is omitted.  This parameter can
# be repeated to use multiple GPU devices.  The GPU devices that are available are
# listed when NxtMint is started with a non-zero value for gpuIntensity.  
gpuDevice=0,256,1000
gpuDevice=1,256,1000
gpuDevice=2,256,1000

I noticed that it is very important to have the latest (version 14) Catalyst drivers installed. I use 0,256 with intensity 512.

No whatever I try I get only 80Mhash/s per 270X. I updated the drivers and used your settings.

Version 1.3.0 doesn't show any hashrates so I use 1.4.0


I also keep getting the
"Native library NxtMint_x86 is not available - using Java CPU hash routines"

even though I linked to the jni directory.
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
OK, but if it is not fulfilled, should the offer not be listed in the Exchange booth?

Booth doesn't have a order book. If it wasn't fulfilled at the time then you should still have the EGOLD.

But there is an order book - right there in the exchange booth. My order is just not there. There are several orders, lower and higher then mine.

Still, it's probably me... But I really think I lost 750 EGOLD.

Can you confirm NXT-9QU7-NDSL-ZDMV-52JF5 is your account? Dev is looking into it.
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
As topic says, opportunities for CPU and GPU miners...

Well, GPU is questionable, but CPU is a big mistake, Intel i5 3570 makes less than 1 mhash/s all 4 cores total VS 200+mhash/s 7970/280x.

So, it is not for CPU miners Sad((



Even with the regular miner, I don't see it as questionable profit. CPU - surely not, but someone could make a CPU MSCoin - the topic is speaking of all MSCoins, not just EGOLD.

Good point, I'll bump my earlier post for all POW MScoins


***
I just did a bit of quick research on Nxt Monetary System (MS). There are currently just under 1680 MScoins created  Shocked

Of course, not all are mintable (this is only one use case of MS). I have made a list of all the minatable coins, the oldest first. There are 42:


MYBTC
MSBTC
NEWEU
DOGES
ELEMS
EGOLD
XNBT
CISPA
SLVER
LUMUS
GROUP
MIXIT
ZZZZZ
MMMMM
SILVR
XNEM
DOLLR
HONEY
NINJA
WARTS
FORKK
PRISM
XTIM
XNBTX
EMUSK
ALPIN
PLATI
BCAPS
WSAPP
STNLC
NMAUA
ASTKN
DAILY
SYSCO
TXNCB
NTBCX
INFIN
TSTGS
BEMB
DOBIS
GEEKS
THOTH

The BOLDED ones have [ANN] threads in https://nxtforum.org/monetary-system-153 so I would start there, if you are looking for a new coin.

***

If you have an idea for a additional parameter (i.e. CPU only, if it possible) then it can be added to Monetary System
. If it is possible and useful use case, the devs woll add it.

Would really like to see some CPU only mintable coin.

Something is in the works; https://nxtforum.org/monetary-system/is-it-possible-to-create-a-parameter-to-have-cpu-only-mscoins/msg158037/#msg158037

Might even be botnet resistant...
hero member
Activity: 1132
Merit: 818
What does everybody use for an R9 270X? I only get 70Mhash/s per GPU.

gpuIntensity=1024

# Set the GPU device number (0, 1, 2, ...), the work group size and the work group count.
# The first GPU device will be used if this parameter is omitted.  This parameter can
# be repeated to use multiple GPU devices.  The GPU devices that are available are
# listed when NxtMint is started with a non-zero value for gpuIntensity. 
gpuDevice=0,256,1000
gpuDevice=1,256,1000
gpuDevice=2,256,1000

I noticed that it is very important to have the latest (version 14) Catalyst drivers installed. I use 0,256 with intensity 512.
hero member
Activity: 1132
Merit: 818
OK, but if it is not fulfilled, should the offer not be listed in the Exchange booth?

Booth doesn't have a order book. If it wasn't fulfilled at the time then you should still have the EGOLD.

But there is an order book - right there in the exchange booth. My order is just not there. There are several orders, lower and higher then mine.

Still, it's probably me... But I really think I lost 750 EGOLD.
sr. member
Activity: 328
Merit: 250
As topic says, opportunities for CPU and GPU miners...

Well, GPU is questionable, but CPU is a big mistake, Intel i5 3570 makes less than 1 mhash/s all 4 cores total VS 200+mhash/s 7970/280x.

So, it is not for CPU miners Sad((



Even with the regular miner, I don't see it as questionable profit. CPU - surely not, but someone could make a CPU MSCoin - the topic is speaking of all MSCoins, not just EGOLD.

Good point, I'll bump my earlier post for all POW MScoins


***
I just did a bit of quick research on Nxt Monetary System (MS). There are currently just under 1680 MScoins created  Shocked

Of course, not all are mintable (this is only one use case of MS). I have made a list of all the minatable coins, the oldest first. There are 42:


MYBTC
MSBTC
NEWEU
DOGES
ELEMS
EGOLD
XNBT
CISPA
SLVER
LUMUS
GROUP
MIXIT
ZZZZZ
MMMMM
SILVR
XNEM
DOLLR
HONEY
NINJA
WARTS
FORKK
PRISM
XTIM
XNBTX
EMUSK
ALPIN
PLATI
BCAPS
WSAPP
STNLC
NMAUA
ASTKN
DAILY
SYSCO
TXNCB
NTBCX
INFIN
TSTGS
BEMB
DOBIS
GEEKS
THOTH

The BOLDED ones have [ANN] threads in https://nxtforum.org/monetary-system-153 so I would start there, if you are looking for a new coin.

***

If you have an idea for a additional parameter (i.e. CPU only, if it possible) then it can be added to Monetary System
. If it is possible and useful use case, the devs woll add it.

Would really like to see some CPU only mintable coin.
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