Topic: [NEW] 🚀 Rocketpot.io | 2,500+ Games 🎰 | 10% Cashback 💰 - page 22. (Read 9573 times)

Except that's not what provably fair means. You can directly control who wins the jackpot, if you have a house-player. And there's absolutely zero way for people to have any idea if you're doing it or not.

That's not bad per se, and doesn't mean you're cheating. But it means it's not provably fair. Full stop. Any attempt to market is as provably fair is dishonest.



Actually you have a (small) point.  In bustabit for instance there's a "forced cashout" when the server will cash people out due to a per-game stop-loss being hit. And you're right, this is not provably fair. But it's also why bustabit tries so hard to make it so hard for this to ever happen. Like such that it it doesn't even accept single bets that could trigger it. I suspect it hasn't even happened at all in the last year, so in reality it's just not a real issue. But you're right on this point.  But there's several orders of magnitude difference.


I think you're smart enough to know this is technobabble. Before the round starts the house has all the information it needs to know who will win the jackpot. It also has the ability to control who joins the rounds (which dictates who wins). It can *very* easily add extra players and modify the bet amounts such that the house player wins. The house can trivially brute force even a million combinations in a fraction of a second to find out which combination will result in the house winning, and then execute that one.


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Anyway your response to this is extremely disappointing to say the least. There were two obvious ways to correctly handle this situation:

a) Make the jackpot provably fair

There's a few ways to do this, one neat way would be run a verifiable-delay-functions on the game player bet list, where each client also sends a randomized seed with their bet. Then if the game goes over XXX you use that result to calculate the jackpot winner.


b) Just let everyone know "our multipliers are provably fair but our jackpots aren't! it's just a bonus"


but instead you've decided to go down the third pat, and just spout nonsense and misrepresent it as something it's clearly not. I would encourage people to not play here until your marketing matches reality.

I am sure the problem is related to your computer. There is no problem with the website nor your account. I always use Goolge Chrome to login into Rocketpot and haven't experienced any trouble yet. It only takes 5-10 seconds to load. I just tested that via Firefox and logged in with no problem.

The wheel spin result is provably fair in the sense that the wheel spin and player selection is determined by bits from a hash that we could not have chosen (just like as any crash game that uses a chain of hashes that is salted by a random event like Bustabit or any Bustabit clone). 

We have been working on a handy verifier for the selection of who spun the jackpot wheel. It is based on multiple random factors like bet size, usernames participating in the round, and bits from the round hash. Rounds can be verified here: https://jsfiddle.net/kyawgjmv/embedded/result


Any crash game that limits max profits per round has the same issue, even without jackpot.

If the house can predict multipliers in advance, they can cheat without getting noticed by reducing the player’s EV. Auto cashout limits the round win to a percentage of the bankroll, so if a round that will go high is coming up, the house can just place big bot bets on this round, forcing earlier cashout for the real players.

Even though there is a theoretical possibility for the operator to see game results in advance (like in any other crash game), we've removed such possibility technically. The seed used to generate the hashes chain is multi-part (n out of n, where n is >= 2). And there is no access to the server storing the generated hashes chain either (any software updates are done the other way around, by pulling changes by the server).

Even if the house knows multipliers, there is still no guaranteed way to cheat, as higher bet chance is limited (win chance is normalized by bet amount) and users sorted before draw. So as long as players can freely join the rounds that win jackpot, the house can only increase own win chances, but not guarantee the win). In addition to that, it is up to the bankrollers to benefit from this scenario since the house would essentially become a high-roller



Agreed. In theory, many things could make the game unfair, like ill intentioned connection issues, bankroll limitations or manipulation, manipulated forced cashouts and so on. We will continue to work to be as open as possible and will keep improving our system, the explanation of the system and the handy round result verifier.

i have also tested opera now. it doesn't work properly and after logging in i'm stuck at "Log Into Rocketpot"

so logging in only works via iphone/safari and so i can use the site. all other browsers on the computer don't work... although i have no problems with all other sites. maybe it's my user/account or a special problem with a cookie on my computer?

thank you very much for the quick feedback. i got the amount credited correctly yesterday.
so even week 2 went almost smoothly... many thanks again to BM + the team

Everyone has been properly credited now. Sorry about the delay.

good morning, currently we have the same problems as after week 1.
according to blockexplorer the amounts are already transferred but the website does not show any credit. just for info

What do you plan to do about that if the bets amount stay the same?
How many btc was lost or won by the operator for now?
Whats the limit?

Opera browser is very good. built-in VPN that is very useful for opening sites from all countries

Rocketpot.io runs smoothly in my opera desktop browser. thank you

Updates are done, all systems are go!

Correct

Yes it comes from the operator pocket, not from the bankroll.


The HE is 1.5% or less. We have corrected this phrasing in the FAQ on the website. The structure is: 97% goes to normal wins, 3*0.5% goes to JPs, and the rest goes to JP seeds + fixed prizes. So, the higher the average bet is, the closer is HE to 1.5%.

x1.01: 0.97/1.01 = 96.04%
x2.00: 0.97/2 = 48.50%

The investor’s bankroll was increased with this amount. A good chunk of it was wagers that used jackpot wins and in this sense it was lost by the operator. The operator then got commission from this increased bankroll.

No, the reseeding of the jackpots make the operators run at a loss as long as bets are very small.

The number of accounts promoting the Rocketpot logo is visibly increasing... and I do not mean that necessarily means it a good thing.

I am concerned about the number of posts that are oblivious to any form of legal protection for either or owners for the website.

Again, investing in bankroll of a website on the blind without ascertaining who owns it and legal protections are in place would be a completely disastrous error of judgement.

You should try the Opera browser, it has a built-in VPN, you can connect from the IP address of another country. Enabling VPN can help in some cases, if the problem is in the connection, you can also purchase a paid version of VPN, it works much more stable and faster. Perhaps you need to contact Rocketpot.io technical support or try to ask people who have already managed to solve this problem.

i have tried it with firefox, internet explorer, chrome and also brave. i can't explain it to myself what it is.
since it concerns all browsers i have (and i don't use vpn oÄ.) it may have to be my provider or the firewall.
on the iphone (safari) it works. awkward but better than nothing

Why on earth would anybody want to invest in a project that has no legal ownership displayed on its website in its terms and conditions?

Sure there are exceptions to the rule because the website owners are well known and have a great reputation but there are just a handful of those. In the case of this website, you have zero legal protection if you invest and there is a scam. I am not saying there will be, I have no idea who the owners of the website is and what his background is BUT that is precisely the point.

Would anybody give their crypto to a stranger who approached them walking in the street claiming he would give them a share of any profits of a new business as well as return their funds when requested? The answer is an unequivocal "no"

C'mon. It's obviously and demonstrably not.


Looking at your code, you've used the bustabit method for calculating game outcomes (good!), but then misapplied the same technique to pick a "jpPlayerRandom". This makes no sense, because you can see it in advance and can control the players who are betting.


The litmus test for if something is provably fair, is if you could cheat without players being able to detect it. In this case it'd be very simple to have a house player who wins 100.00% of all bets, and no one would be able to tell if it was legitimate or not.

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FWIW I think there's nothing wrong with having jackpots that are not provably fair, as it's quite difficult to come up with new robust provably fair schemes -- but it's highly unethical to represent something as provably fair that isn't.

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I also think you should address @bsky's question. I'm a little suspicious that you're running a game that is ostensibly -EV, and then misrepresenting something that's not provably far as being so.

The Jackpots actually are provably fair. The code on https://rocketpot.io/provably-fair/ explains which bits are used to create the random number for picking which player spins the wheel and which bits are used for the random number to produce the jackpot wheel position. We're making better documentation to describe the player selection and wheel position. We will post it here in the forum and add to the texts on the Rocketpot website ASAP.

Thy will be done.

Hello,
I have no link with this website, my account is from early 2017, i often come here to read and never post but when i won jackpot i thought it was fair to tell it and that i could withdraw the funds since people could doubt it (me included).

I ask theses questions cause i dont understand how the operators make money now and since i wanna invest in the site i must be sure that the site is sustainable and they dont run out of funds.

I almost never gamble i mainly invest in gambling sites (Bustabit atm) and i sometimes try to invest in other sites which was what i planned to do here
But i played instead cause i calculated here that it was ev+ to play when the bets are low and jackpot are high (which was the case when i won major jackpot).

you , probably , should know it better than anyone else , mate
since your account is strongly associated with the  site
it is my IMHO , but a newbie account that appears to post about his huge jackpot win out of nowhere on a totally new site is suspicious enough
now you post a "prequel" to the answer by admin , which I suppose , will come shortly  answering to you only , detailing the figures and avoiding the not so pleasant other questions
I can be mistaken , but I do not believe in coincidences and shilling with a newbie accounts is a well known tactics/mistake
investors "making 6.84 btc since the opening of the site" is another figure out of nowhere , admin openly admitted to have used wagering bots , or as he puts it "team members testing the site"
since the site's main feature is Jackpot rolls and we can't see any evidence of them being fair , how on Earth could anyone consider investing or playing there with a minimal bet of 10.000 (25?)satoshi is beyond me

p.s. provide the fairness check of the jackpot rolls, please to silence the critics
the same way you did with the games , they are verifiably fair  all right

Hello,

I would like to invest in the bankroll but since i am not sure to fully understand how this website works i wanna ask you some questions.
I assume there is three groups : The investors, The players and The operator.

When a jackpot is won there is a new one which have a minimal value (like 0.5btc for the mega jackpot) in this case where these 0.5btc come from? The players couldnt wager to "build this jackpot" so does it come from the operator pocket?

Since the house edge is 1% and 1.5% of the wagered amount is added up to the jackpots.
There is 97.5% of the wagered amount given back to the players (if we doesnt count the jackpot).
 But with this info i think that the probability of hitting 2x or more is 48.75% and the probability of hitting 1.01x or more is 96.53%  can you confirm that?
By the way i think that knowing the probability of hitting a number which would be a nice feature.

I see on the site that investors won 6.84btc since the openning of the site.
I am curious about how much was won/lost by the players and how much was won/lost by the operator. Would it be possible to know that?

Is the webiste sustainable for the operator even if the bets per round are low?