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legendary
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I still do not get the logical reason, it seems a really sick person....

That's because crazy is quite opposite of logic. It does have its own dynamics, which is why we can talk about patterns of behavior in paranoia, schizophrenia, and obsessive compulsive.

legendary
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I’m Turk and I live in Turkey. I don't understand why Europeans accept non-white and muslim refugees in their own countries. My grandfather was a soldier in the Ottoman Empire. Sometimes we don't even want to live with some radical Muslims. They don’t respect your culture and live their culture in your country. If you don’t want to live like Europeans, why did you immigrate to Europe. And know that. When they raise population of muslims in your country, they want to change your life style. Stop accepting non-white or radical refugees. Such attacks are just the beginning. It is sad but different cultures can’t live together. Defend Europe

The strange thing is that when innocents are killed in places of worship
You leave the murderer and look for the known scarecrow illusion
(Radical Islamists)
This terrorist killer you does not consider him a radical Christian?
You seem to have a problem with the Islamists in general and want them to give up their identity
They live like secularists or Christians, for example, and this is impossible
Everyone can live in peace as long as the ideas of acceptance of the other and dialogue of civilizations prevail
Not the clash of civilizations


There are two sides to this coin. In the Western word one has excuses made for it and people crying racism and bigotry every time it is called out. The other is blasted at maximum volume and taken to the most extreme interpretations. This person did not shoot these people because of religious motivations, yet most radical Muslim terrorists do regularly cite their religious beliefs as motivation. One of these happens more than the other, you are attempting to craft a false equivalency.

Plenty of Muslims move to Western nations and assimilate. They are not the enemy of Western nations. Even if they choose to not assimilate, really no one cares, they are free to live their lives that way even in Western nations. What IS the problem is Sharia law, and Muslims who move to Western nations and try to impose Sharia law. Sharia law is incompatible with freedom and Democracy. Sharia law is a political system wearing a veil of religion to hide behind.

Many of these people who support Sharia law don't give a fuck about you or your dialog and will take power by force if they are allowed. Unfortunately any time anyone points this out, there are endless cries of racism and bigotry and this discussion is never allowed to be had. If you think this problem can be solved only with dialog I suggest you take a trip to Somalia and have a dialog with the locals and report back your results. You are in a bubble of Western comfort that blinds you from the harsh realities of the rest of the world where they have no problem removing your head and selling your mother into sex slavery just because you do not worship their God. Unfortunately I think Europe is going to realize this too late.

This attack was carefully crafted to inflame both "sides" of this conflict. It is a mistake to look at the world as "if I were them I would do this..." because not everyone is like you, and some people wouldn't blink over disemboweling you in front of your family. Monsters are real, and asking them kindly not to be monsters is not a solution. That said this attack is inexcusable, and it would be equally inexcusable if it were perpetrated by a Muslim.

newbie
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I’m Turk and I live in Turkey. I don't understand why Europeans accept non-white and muslim refugees in their own countries. My grandfather was a soldier in the Ottoman Empire. Sometimes we don't even want to live with some radical Muslims. They don’t respect your culture and live their culture in your country. If you don’t want to live like Europeans, why did you immigrate to Europe. And know that. When they raise population of muslims in your country, they want to change your life style. Stop accepting non-white or radical refugees. Such attacks are just the beginning. It is sad but different cultures can’t live together. Defend Europe

The strange thing is that when innocents are killed in places of worship
You leave the murderer and look for the known scarecrow illusion
(Radical Islamists)
This terrorist killer you does not consider him a radical Christian?
You seem to have a problem with the Islamists in general and want them to give up their identity
They live like secularists or Christians, for example, and this is impossible
Everyone can live in peace as long as the ideas of acceptance of the other and dialogue of civilizations prevail
Not the clash of civilizations
hero member
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While watching the video, I can't imagine what's on the mind of the terrorist.

Condolences to the victims and right judgement shall be done with the incident. I felt bad and anger when the terrorist wasn't done with his havoc, he kept shooting innocent people while driving his car.  Undecided

legendary
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I watched video of shooting and it was really shocking to see. It looks surreal, he made it like gameplay of shooting game. And that terrorist full of hate probably prepared for this attack for long time. He aquired guns, painted words on it, created long manifesto. And how calm he was attack, saying "subscribe to PewDiePie lads" while shooting or leaving that place after shooting with music on. Sick. Seems that this terrorist is follower of Anders Breivik, and this attack really reminds him.
And one thing that really shocked me - how much support on internet this guy got. I read comments where people saying that he done right thing by shooting muslims, that someone finally started war against muslim terrorists and etc. I can't understand how someone can justify killing of innocent people? What's wrong with these people?
legendary
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I’m Turk and I live in Turkey. I don't understand why Europeans accept non-white and muslim refugees in their own countries. My grandfather was a soldier in the Ottoman Empire. Sometimes we don't even want to live with some radical Muslims. They don’t respect your culture and live their culture in your country. If you don’t want to live like Europeans, why did you immigrate to Europe. And know that. When they raise population of muslims in your country, they want to change your life style. Stop accepting non-white or radical refugees. Such attacks are just the beginning. It is sad but different cultures can’t live together. Defend Europe

Sad, if ever this will happen to your country and the only thing you could do is to be migrated and the world will not accept you because you are a turk then  you might probably understand how it feels to defend their lands by having no Turks in their place. You can't even understand why they are actually doing it to you just because of having the nationality you have not control off. By that type of thinking you and the suspect has the same perspective towards immigrants and Muslims.

I'm afraid you can also do that if ever.

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That was also what is currently running through my mind after watching the video. based on my research the suspect was traveling around europe just scouting for immigrants or muslim communities. I personally don't know if  the main plan was to increase the tension but according to CNN


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The shooter's hate-filled 87-page manifesto contained anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim ideas, and was also posted online before the attack.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/new-zealand-christchurch-shooting-intl/index.html

I know, we Turks defend our lands until die. Europeans accepted a lot ot ‘radical muslims’, we Turks were shamanistic before Islam. We are not radical Islamists, many of our people have a normal religious belief but when we accepted other races in our country they created radical communities. Turkey is a Republic. It is a secular state, but the Islamists who migrated to our country breeded too much. Today, radical Islamists may be less in Europe, but you cannot predict how much the fertility rates are. Kurds have more than 8 children. Arabs have more than 8 children. We Turks are getting more and more radical in this shit every day. Many of the people in our country are deist. Perhaps 35% of people in our country but we accepted refugees many times and Although they were not Turkish, they became Turkish citizens. And today the Islamic government is selected with 52%. If we had not accepted these bastards in our country, maybe we could live like Europeans today.
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The attacker's motivation was apparently to promote worldwide racial and political balkanization by increasing the solidarity of all groups while also pushing them apart. He wanted to increase tensions between Muslim and Christian, white and non-white, left and right, etc. So he's probably very happy with the world's response so far, including some of the reaction in this thread.

The attack itself was evil, of course, and this underlying goal of promoting collectivism was both particularly evil and worryingly effective.

Dude, have you ever been in ‘real’ muslim countries? I live in Turkish ‘Republic’. There is not Sharia but sometimes they really interfere in people's lifestyle. Trust me, when they raise their population you can’t live together with them. Muslim people may be good, but Muslim communities are becoming radical. If the radical Islamists had the chance, they would have killed us (normal muslim Turks) like Syria. We encourage immigrants to come from Africa to Turkey. They involved in many incidents of sexual harassment. We accepted 1 million Kurds in 1990s, they created racial terrorist groups like PKK/YPG and killed civilians. We accepted 4 million syrian refugees 7 years ago. they abuse womens, they steal, they fight, they are really garbage. Multiculturalism is bullshit.

Don’t trust refugees

When they raise their population, they will kill you. Protect ‘National Countries’, Defend Europe, Defend your country

But still you cannot say whatever the attacker had done is correct. I condemn terrorism and my condolences are with the killed.

@everyone monitoring this thread:

If you want this terrorist to fail in his attempt to destroy the gains we've made in the realm of racism and bigotry, then do the exact opposite of what he wishes for.

If you're Christian, go to Mosque on Friday, and a Synagogue on Saturday.  If you're Muslim, go to a Synagogue on Saturday, and a Church on Sunday.  If you're Jewish go to a Mosque on Friday and Church on Sunday.  Introduce yourself to the congregation, tell them how you're presence is a protest to the hatred and bigotry some would have us cultivate as a result of this tragedy.


Look like you have no idea what the words "jihaad", "kaafir" and "fatwaa"  means. First they  need to distance themselves with these radicals.

legendary
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This is exactly the response I expect the shooter intended to have. They want people to beg to have their freedoms taken from them. The shooters weapons were obtained legally. So much for gun control working.

Next I expect to see one or two small, easy to overlook media references to "the shooter was on anti-psychotic medications" and "relatives reported that he'd recently stopped taking them."

Sooner or later people are going to have to wake up to this problem instead of listening to politicians who misdirect it toward firearms while raking in huge donations from Big Pharma.
legendary
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The fact that the video shooter guy said "subscribe to PewDiePie" and then said "Hi Felix" at the end of the video lets me know he was assuredly crazy.

The fact that he said things like this tell me he is saying these things to purposely defame these people he mentioned. I guess it is just a total coincidence all of the people and groups he mentioned are establishment targets... Nothing to see here, move along. In fact no one talk about it ever again because we don't want him to get what he wants! Yes, the dark, lots of problems are solved in the dark.
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@everyone monitoring this thread:

If you want this terrorist to fail in his attempt to destroy the gains we've made in the realm of racism and bigotry, then do the exact opposite of what he wishes for.

If you're Christian, go to Mosque on Friday, and a Synagogue on Saturday.  If you're Muslim, go to a Synagogue on Saturday, and a Church on Sunday.  If you're Jewish go to a Mosque on Friday and Church on Sunday.  Introduce yourself to the congregation, tell them how you're presence is a protest to the hatred and bigotry some would have us cultivate as a result of this tragedy.
hero member
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I’m Turk and I live in Turkey. I don't understand why Europeans accept non-white and muslim refugees in their own countries. My grandfather was a soldier in the Ottoman Empire. Sometimes we don't even want to live with some radical Muslims. They don’t respect your culture and live their culture in your country. If you don’t want to live like Europeans, why did you immigrate to Europe. And know that. When they raise population of muslims in your country, they want to change your life style. Stop accepting non-white or radical refugees. Such attacks are just the beginning. It is sad but different cultures can’t live together. Defend Europe

Sad, if ever this will happen to your country and the only thing you could do is to be migrated and the world will not accept you because you are a turk then  you might probably understand how it feels to defend their lands by having no Turks in their place. You can't even understand why they are actually doing it to you just because of having the nationality you have not control off. By that type of thinking you and the suspect has the same perspective towards immigrants and Muslims.

I'm afraid you can also do that if ever.

~

That was also what is currently running through my mind after watching the video. based on my research the suspect was traveling around europe just scouting for immigrants or muslim communities. I personally don't know if  the main plan was to increase the tension but according to CNN


Quote
The shooter's hate-filled 87-page manifesto contained anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim ideas, and was also posted online before the attack.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/new-zealand-christchurch-shooting-intl/index.html
hero member
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in the Brazilian media, some articles have reported that one of the terrorists had made money by investing in cryptocurrencies. Has anyone even read or researched this? I have not seen any proof of this in other articles. Although I have read few. I believe that for all the sensationalism that usually involves subjects related to Bitcoin, I do not doubt that the media will begin to explore this.
legendary
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I have watched the video, the live stream of the killer and I was so much sad for the family of the people who died in the incident. Ain't know what is the real motive of the killer but I think he just hates Muslims and is a psycho who was addicted to online video games. It is really sad and would affect the whole e-Sports industry because of the incident.`
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The situation that is defined by the shooter in manifesto, this is going in many other more countries. Sweden, Iceland and many small countries that are calm and quite are facing same issue. These people come as refugee and goes on multiplying at huge pace. This is anything new man. World need to watch this and take necessary action.
legendary
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I still do not get the logical reason, it seems a really sick person, the way he did everything, I do not know how to classify him among the thin line of Terrorista-Sick.

I think that this type of acts should never be forgiven. New Zealand is a very quiet country, it has always stood out for being very peaceful. In the first world countries this type of deplorable acts usually occur.

When I saw the video, I thought it was a publication extracted from DeepWeb, I really think that we should start with a strong policy against the possession of weapons in people, their controls should be much stricter.

This is exactly the response I expect the shooter intended to have. They want people to beg to have their freedoms taken from them. The shooters weapons were obtained legally. So much for gun control working.
legendary
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I still do not get the logical reason, it seems a really sick person, the way he did everything, I do not know how to classify him among the thin line of Terrorista-Sick.

I think that this type of acts should never be forgiven. New Zealand is a very quiet country, it has always stood out for being very peaceful. In the first world countries this type of deplorable acts usually occur.

When I saw the video, I thought it was a publication extracted from DeepWeb, I really think that we should start with a strong policy against the possession of weapons in people, their controls should be much stricter.
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Reason why teroris  live on Facebook is to make that video trend.
To make any people scare and know how terrorist kill people no mercy.
 
Stop and don't share any video about teroris in New Zealand.
Pray for New Zealand
legendary
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I think we have a serious lack of communication
No, I think we are literally on the same page here.
this was organized.
Sure it was, as of current knowledge it was prepared by this guy. He planned it himself and executed. Nothing spectacular and impossible for one man, brevik (small letter intentional) also worked alone and was far more sophisticated and sinister with it. 
My words about fruit was an allegory
So as mine. But I got a feeling you missed the point. I meant that your speculative words have the potential for fuelling the fire.
Ignition of imagination and conspiracy will only attract the crowd, more hate will follow.
I'm also pro gun however bullets solve nothing, kisses do. 

Yeah I guess we should all just throw out critical thought and speculation because it MIGHT do XYZ. I made some very solid logical points that you didn't even attempt to refute. People don't have a shortage of excuses to be hateful, having a logical discussion about it IMO is a requirement, not a liability. Kisses don't stop bullets.
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Bobby Fischer was right
I think we have a serious lack of communication
No, I think we are literally on the same page here.
this was organized.
Sure it was, as of current knowledge it was prepared by this guy. He planned it himself and executed. Nothing spectacular and impossible for one man, brevik (small letter intentional) also worked alone and was far more sophisticated and sinister with it. 
My words about fruit was an allegory
So as mine. But I got a feeling you missed the point. I meant that your speculative words have the potential for fuelling the fire.
Ignition of imagination and conspiracy will only attract the crowd, more hate will follow.
I'm also pro gun however bullets solve nothing, kisses do. 
legendary
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How exactly do you stop such events from happening in the future
Who said we need to stop this madness? We can see that the more we try, the more it's straightening itself.
The only solution is as horrible and terrifying as the discussed event, the NWO... rule of the state not the rule of the jungle?
Take away all freedoms, all rights, all possession, make people exist only for the state, eradicate them of all emotions and reflections with some drug and voila. Prison planet. Do we want this? I say no. Maybe just maybe it's time to give humanity back to human?
We need freedom not less of it, otherwise those events will continue because people are getting scared.
what truly motivated them
I know what it was, it's the fear. Scare fuelled by hatred and lacking of appreciation for human life.
This was ORGANIZED  
Now that's just speculation, just think about it, you are blaming this on some special forces and simultaneously you take away the blame. Besides it is to early to judge, his lousy manifesto stated he is not an agent, that this is self organised and no third party is entangled, maybe except some religious order of self-proclaimed neo-templars. Such voices do more harm than good. No conspiracy is needed there, where "simple" emotions and dread suffice. Let's stay calm and wait how it will unfold.
You judge a man by the fruits of his labor, and when every single fruit on the tree is rotten, you need to start asking questions, because that is not organic.
You are exaggerating a little, last I checked 98% of all fruits are perfectly fine, browned and look delicious. Don't get this grim rhetoric poison your orchard. We are better than this, capable of beautiful deeds and sacrifices... maybe this was what was missing that day in NZ?

I think we have a serious lack of communication, mostly as a result of some sort of language barrier I think. You misunderstand, when I say stop these events from happening, I mean understand what causes people to do these things, and try to change the circumstances so that pattern is not repeated. I am pro-gun ownership, I do not want freedoms taken away. In fact my opinion is this was done IN ORDER TO allow freedoms to be taken away in reaction. That was part of my point.

I admit I am absolutely speculating, but I have knowledge of how these types of things operate as I have actively made an attempt to monitor such actions over the last couple decades as well as historical examples. There are several key indicators here that tell me this was organized.

- It was a team of people - most of these types of attacks are individuals
- The death count was exceptionally high, showing proficiency using these weapons
- They have an exceptional understanding of international political issues, as well as US domestic tensions
- They specifically mentioned several cliche 4chan/8chan memes (a major hub of US political dissent), and Candace Owens for example who advocates for the black conservative position in order to associate these groups with violence in order to justify their restriction and censorship

 My words about fruit was an allegory or metaphor of judging people by the effects they have on the world around them, not a literal discussion about fruit.  I am not taking away the blame from anyone. Nothing I said makes any of this any less horrible. I do however think it is important to point out the very high desirability of such an event from the perspective of powerful psychopaths with unlimited resources in order to push a narrative they benefit from. Every little angle of this event serves to further divide and inflame existing tensions to the point it feels like a movie script because every plot point is hit. This is not how reality works, this is how synthetic reality works.
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