Topic: [NEWBIE] What To Do To Avoid Red-Trust. (Read 408 times)

There are some restrictions here as the OP wrote and it's true. Red trust occurs because of making a mistake that can disrupt the continuity of our account. some bounties prohibit red trust accounts from participating in their bounties and that is one of the effects of red trusts. Therefore we must be careful and obey the rules here for the sake of us and our own account. So it all depends on us whether we can be careful in acting or not because if the account has been Red trust it will be difficult to move forward, especially in finding and participating in campaigns.

Nice piece,thanks for this information, without being advised your instincts suppose to tell you that you are not suppose to dupe,cheat or scam anyone in a forum,when you borrow money you suppose to pay back not to neglect your account and runaway,is good to be truthful in all our endeavor.

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Then what do you think about the account trading activities carried out by the OP in the past? Are you sure he's innocent of a willful act?

What do you think about red tags for users like him?

OP tried to express their opinion on how to avoid a red tag. But the red tag isn't limited to a few reasons. The only reason is red tag is involved with shady activities. Don't involve yourself with the crime, that's enough to avoid ref tag. We know which is good and which is a bad thing, so those who are getting tagged are well aware of it. Like when thieves steal something they know very well police will arrest them in case they catch them. So the only policy is don't involved with crime to avoid a red tag.

So, what is this? Are you trying to rankup another account and sell it again? You really are an account farmer apparently.


I really don't know why so many users are willing to give you merit. Don't they know you are an account farmer?

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Well, my bad then. I concluded based on the fact that a while ago I saw some users who had unrepaid loans running into several months after the requested duration. I didn't know it was still an active loan. I thought they defaulted. But it's ok now with your explanation.

There's a conflict of interest in the forum on account sales if we go by what @mrep said. If something is allowed, why is it discouraged then? It's a paradox. To the best of my perspicacity, account sales are deceitful. What it simply means is that someone is transfering not just ownership to another but reputation and trust. So, why would anyone want that if it's not to make others interacting with the said account think they still have the same owner and whatever reputation bestowed on that account. It's like a reputable bounty manager selling their account. Of course, unknowingly, hunters will still think it's the former owner on it, and then blindly trust the account. I think a bought account deserves a red trust, not a neutral.

The idea of buying an account defeats the original motive of this forum, which is to learn, it sends the message of greed, impatience and a signal that money may just be the reason and your motivation for you being here. It is better to start small, rather than at a stage where it may be difficult to understand how the forum operates especially if you have never been here, that is another reason IMO why it is discouraged. You can get a negative trust because unlike the previous owner, your reputation is not known and it is also in question.

Account sales is fine if both parties agree to buy and pay without cheating or harming anyone, but in most cases selling an account will only increase cheater spammers. This is the reason why account sales are frowned upon even though they are allowed. I found some DT's gave them a red tag while others gave them a neutral tag, that's entirely up to them which I don't think is a bad thing.

I don't completely agree about the neutral tag for those account sales, it allows more users to be interested in buying or selling accounts so there will be more cases of scam and spammers on the forum. Someone should give them a red tag so that people will think that account sales is not frowned upon.

I don't think you can get a negative trust for buying an account. It rules says buying Bitcointalk account is "discouraged".
A neutral tag is likely to be given to a bought account with reference feedback to the change in password or posting style. IMO a negative feedback or red tag may be given in cases where the new owner is suspected to have malicious intent. Others had shared their opinion about this issue on this thread Bitcointalk Rules..Bend/Break

Plagiarism is a different case from trolling or even shilling scam sites.
The offender of the plagiarism once proven as guilty has a heavy punishment like a permanent ban, not a red tag.  I don't usually support red-tagging about trolling because that is not appropriate on my part, maybe a neutral tag would be the right one.

For the red tag, I think if the offender is proven and guilty as a scammer or it could be harm other users, it would be best to put a red tag on the profile to warn other members or much better create a flag that would be suitable on this case.  Any financial matters that you feel that can harm others will deserve to be red-tagged including cheating and abuse.

Read the LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system for the proper use of Trust System.

Sadly, no. Many members come to this forum to scam, cheat, or do something else even more nefarious. Not only here, but in other forums and social networks on the Internet as well. That's why it's important to always use caution and have as much information on a person as possible before trusting or dealing with them.


It wasn't an accusation against you. You got it wrong.

IMO cheezcarls not accusing you of plagiarism about this thread but he's just saying that there is another reason why someone gets a negative tag and it's because of plagiarism either from whitepapers or certain websites that you might list. Please reread what he means, he's not accusing you.

Besides plagiarism, there are several other reasons that can also make users get negative tags, namely trolling. Yes, trolling is one of those things forum users shouldn't do if they don't want to get negative tags.

I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from - people who default a loan should (and are) given red trust. It's also one of the cases where there's essentially no ambiguity about what happened. Either someone repays a loan, or they don't. I leave neutral feedbacks for active loans, and often leave neutral feedbacks when people repay their loan.


I don't think this is accurate either. I would say that it is a good idea to remove negative trust after someone repays a loan late, as it incentivises them to repay the loan. I can't think of a case where people thought they were trying to "escape".

I can't deny, what you say is true. every mistake there is always a consequence that must be accepted. But if it wasn't a fatal mistake, maybe the one who put the red-trust will remove it.

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Being a good user is the goal of every member who joins this forum. Not only here, everywhere there will always be certain rules that must be respected.

Yes that's what i mean, when manager removes alt account from campaign, it will be very detrimental, in addition to not getting paid, alt accounts will also be marked neg-trust.

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Yes, I know. That I can not delete the thread that I have created, but I will lock it or ask the admin to delete it immediately.

thanks for the correction.

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In this forum I see a lot of newbies who don't understand the forum rules. Especially in joining the campaign. There are so many cases that have been proven to be fraudulent in the campaign  List of names of accounts involved cheating in SantaCoin's Bounty campaign.. So I thought to give a little input on how to join the campaign to keep account neutral.
Knowledge is also very important. But I don't want to be hypocritical here, apart from developing knowledge, we also make money in this forum. The proof is that you are using a paid BTC signature.

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Recently I just woke up from a long sleep. After the merit system was established, I felt unable to develop knowledge in this forum. Now I am trying to be active again because of the urge to develop knowledge in the forum.
My goal to take over this thread, purely an impulse from the heart to provide important information for newbies who do not understand the important rules of the forum.

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I do not understand your accusation, above I have clearly explained, this topic I took with the approval of the original owner.

so this content are not yours but like you said that you ask for the confirmation of the author and then he/she agree to translate it  to english. I think this work is good keep it up.

last year this is one of the common problem here in our community cause other users creates and multiple accounts to joined bounty campaign without knowing that this is prohibited. there are many accounts caught for cheating the bounty campaign and then they get a negative trust or worst banned. I don't know why they still doing this kind of tricks.

I don't know if that's still so much an issue as other offences when borrowers default on payments. I see DarkStar_ leaving them a neutral feedback this day and no longer red tags.

This is indeed a sad reality. Sometimes those who put the red trust are either no longer posting here or are simply dead and their actions can't be undone by someone else even when the case that warranted it is resolved. A case in point is the neg tag left on Best_Change by TMAN. The user (with several others too then) felt that there was a scam accusation on Best_Change. But several weeks later the campaign was discovered not to have any issues (in fact, it's running as one of the best till date) others withdrew their reservations except for TMAN who hasn't been active since March 12, 2020, barely two months after the user put that neg trust.

The intention to join the forum should be to learn about Bitcoin then other cryptocurrencies (alternative cryptocurrencies). It should not be earning merit, avoiding red trust. Merit or trust should not be initial or main reasons you join the forum.

Just do good things, no one will give you valid negative (red) trust feedback
Just contribute good things by  posts or topics, merit will find you

Positive trust feedback takes time to receive because it relates to your reputation on this forum. But a member with positive trust feedback can still scam you. Life is not clear between right and wrong, good and bad person somewhat.

• LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system
• Guide on avoid red tags by supporting already known scam projects

OP also forgot about another reason which is already common for all of us, and that is no other than plagiarism. From copying someone else’s content and images without permission or giving credit source, whitepaper and other stuff, you’ll get a red tag for sure. This is definitely a no-no, not just here on Bitcointalk but also in all aspects of life.

Mind that that loan defaulters could actually care less about any negative rating left on their accounts trust page, I mean, they have already made up their mind to leave the forum with the money they swindled, or have decided to carry on posting here with a ruined reputation (and also not being eligible to join any signature campaign), it is the lender that is usually left to bear the brunt of losing their money to such people, and that's why they have to be very careful how they lend money out, and the amount they can give to a particular user, based on reputation, past deals, history of loans paid back, amount of years spent on the forum, etc.