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Topic: Nexus - Pure SHA3 + CPU/GPU + nPoS + 15 Active Innovations + More to Come - page 320. (Read 785531 times)

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I mostly agree with your above post, Viz.  But, you might want to be careful with the word plagiarism...  This is GPL licensed software we're talking about here, and cloning it with credit certainly isn't plagiarizing. 

But, as I said above - since it's been this long without source, it kinda makes sense to just wait for the exchange channels now (kinda...).
legendary
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skunk,

I agree, this is why I am currently working on building a small development team. These people that don't trust closed source binaries are usually the type that understand the code they are looking at hence, being able to help strengthen it. My biggest concern is to ensure Coinshield has time to get off the ground, and to not be polluted with garbage clone coins before it has a chance to prove the many features that go to make it what it is. This happened in the past [Litecoin is a clone of the First Scrypt coin, that failed launch; and got overtaken at relaunch]. I am only working towards giving enough time for the code to be protected, so that it can spawn more creativity and innovation in the environment, rather than plagiarism. I feel the only way towards this goal, is to increase the costs of plagiarism with the Exchange Channels. This is what will be protecting the innovation of other Coinshield Verified Coins.

Edit: The Developer Tx is Designed as a Commission [to pay our bills: servers, development, food, housing, etc.], it is protected with Coinbase TX Checks regardless if the source is open or closed. The same goes for the Exchange Channels Supply. This gives another point of distribution to traders, along with Proof of Stake.

Viz.
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i have to admit the closed source wallet was (and still is) a concern and posted it on this thread, but well, viz had a point about fearing cut&paste for yet another shit coin...
however it's slowing coming the time to make the code public, as it would take the attention of those that don't trust binary blobs thus new miners... i doubt a stupid cut&paste of this coin would ever get traction at this point...
I agree.  However, I can also see that if the exchange channels are actually launched _soon_, then it might be reasonable to wait.  Why?  Well, because you've waited this long to release source code anyway. And, once the exchange channels are up (if the concept works as hoped/planned), then there is at least a method of dealing with these clone coins.

That said, I have long presumed that the choice to keep the source closed is mostly to do with protecting the dev fee.  The only real risk of a clone coin I would suggest, is if it took the XMR vs BCN route of re-balancing distribution away from the developers.  That's a bad thing for Viz, certainly; but probably wouldn't matter much to anyone else (unless Viz lost interest in development as a result).
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You tell me, lol?  Trust is a very individual thing.  Personally, I do think Viz is trustworthy; but, even from someone I trust, I don't trust closed-source cryptography.  For others that would never look at or compiled the source code anyway, it might be entirely irrelevant.
i have to admit the closed source wallet was (and still is) a concern and posted it on this thread, but well, viz had a point about fearing cut&paste for yet another shit coin...
however it's slowing coming the time to make the code public, as it would take the attention of those that don't trust binary blobs thus new miners... i doubt a stupid cut&paste of this coin would ever get traction at this point...
legendary
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Everyone,

The funds that are from decay equation #2 go to an automated bot system that I will be creating.

I am generally an observer to the community, and this is my first user account here because this is the first time I have actually needed one. I'm glad you brought this to everybody's attention, as I foresaw this as being an issue. By the nature of how this system will work, yes there will need to be a level of trust involved. This trust is beginning to be established at this point in time, now that you raised the question of it. The way we have decided to deal with this issue is ABSOLUTE TRANSPARENCY. When the first channel opens, there will be an archive page started on main website of every single executed trade of SHIT DUMP, and every single executed BTC buy order. This will of course be in real time on the left sidebar of the channels for reference. The second point is I will design the channels to have one deposit address for the channel. This means that you will be able to see every single SHIT that is transfered to the channel, every single SHIT that is transfered to the exchange, and every single SHIT sell order. These numbers can be verified with the automation supplied on archives page, or by your own discretion if independent verification is chosen as the suited means for your veracity.

The trust can only be established over time, with transparency being the best means of expressing it.

I can work on a block explorer, but this will have to be after the pools are done for both the Prime Channel and SK-1024 Channel.
In the meantime, this is the list of the addresses:

   const string CHANNEL_ADDRESSES[] =  {         "2Qn8MsUCkv9S8X8sMvUPkr9Ekqqg5VKzeKJk2ftcFMUiJ5QnWRc",
                                     "2S4WLATVCdJXTpcfdkDNDVKK5czDi4rjR5HrCRjayktJZ4rN8oA",
                                     "2RE29WahXWawQ9huhyaGhfvEMmUWHH9Hfo1anbNk8eW3nTU7H2g",
                                     "2QpSfg6MBZYCjQKXjTgo9eHoKMCJsYjLQsNT3xeeAYhrQmNBEUd",
                                     "2RHjigCh1qt1j3WKz4mShFBiVE5g6z9vrFpGMT6EDQsFJbtx4hr",
                                     "2SZ87FB1zukH5h7BLDT4yUyMTQnEJEt2KzpGYFxuUzMqAxEFN7Y",
                                 "2STyHuCeBgE81ZNjhH5QB8UXViXW7WPYM1YQgmXfLvMJXaKAFCs",
                                 "2SLq49uDrhLyP1N7Xnkj86WCHQUKxn6zx38LBNoTgwsAjfV1seq",
                                 "2RwtQdi3VPPQqht15QmXnS4KELgxrfaH2hXSywtJrfDdCJMnwPQ",
                                 "2SWscUR6rEezZKgFh5XkEyhmRmja2qrHMRsfmtxdapwMymmM96Q",
                                 "2SJzPMXNPEgW2zJW4489qeiCjdUanDTqCuSNAMmZXm1KX269jAt",
                                 "2Rk2mBEYWkGDMzQhEqdpSGZ77ZGvp9HWAbcsY6mDtbWKJy4DQuq",
                                 "2Rnh3qFvzeRQmSJEHtz6dNphq3r7uDSGQdjucnVFtpcuzBbeiLx" };
                                 
                                 
   const string DEVELOPER_ADDRESSES[] = {     "2Qp1rHzLCCsL4RcmLRcNhhAjnFShDXQaAjyBB9YpDSomCJsfGfS",
                                   "2SFx2tc8tLHBtkLkfK7nNjkU9DwvZZMNKKLaeX4xcG8ev4HQqVP",
                                   "2SawW67sUcVtLNarcAkVaFR2L1R8AWujkoryJHi8L47bdDP8hwC",
                                   "2QvzSNP3jy4MjqmB7jRy6jRGrDz6s6ALzTwu8htdohraU6Fdgrc",
                              "2RxmzQ1XomQrbzQimajfnC2FubYnSzbwz5EkU2du7bDxuJW7i2L",
                              "2S2JaEbGoBFx7N2YGEUJbWRjLf35tY7kezV8R9vzq9Wu1f5cwVz",
                              "2S9bR5wB6RcBm1weFPBXCZai5pRFisa9zQSEedrdi9QLmd5Am8y",
                              "2S6NjGDuTozyCWjMziwEBYKnnaC6fy5zRjDmd2NQhHBjuzKw4bg",
                              "2RURDVPFD14eYCC7brgio2HF77LP22SdN5CeAvwQAwdSPdS95dT",
                              "2SNAEJ6mbmpPXbP6ZkmH7FgtWTWcNnw2Pcs3Stb4PDaq3vH1GgE",
                              "2SDnQuMgW9UdESUUekrrWegxSHLQWnFWJ2BNWAUQVecKNwBeNh5",
                              "2SCLU4SKxh2P27foN9NRoAdtUZMdELMvBpfmVER98HayRRqGKFx",
                              "2SLN8urU2mERZRQajqYe9VgQQgK7tPWWQ1679c5B3scZKP2vDxi" };



I reset the seed nodes, you will be able to get on the main chain now if you have been having issues.

Viz.
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let's suppose viz would put together a block explorer by himself, would that be trustful enough?
You tell me, lol?  Trust is a very individual thing.  Personally, I do think Viz is trustworthy; but, even from someone I trust, I don't trust closed-source cryptography.  For others that would never look at or compiled the source code anyway, it might be entirely irrelevant.
sr. member
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I agree a block explorer would be nice to see - would be reasonably trivial to put together. However, without source to the wallet, I doubt anyone is going to spend the time to recreate all the hashing etc functions needed.
let's suppose viz would put together a block explorer by himself, would that be trustful enough?
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1). Who manages these funding addresses and why should we trust them. Why not give miners the option to opt-out.
If I am interpreting "funding addresses" correctly here, I take it you mean where the dev fee and channel funds go?   Well, obviously to Viz at this point.  Why should you trust him?  Well, you already do - if you're using this coin, you're using closed source cryptography, so you better trust him!

2). How is it possible to trade a worthless coin and still make a profit - defies logic.[/b]
The exchange channel concept, as I understand it, isn't for exchanging worthless (in value) coins, it is for exchanging (and absorbing the economy of) technically worthless coins.

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sorry for insisting viz, but wouldn't a block explorer make everything more transparent thus trustful?

I agree a block explorer would be nice to see - would be reasonably trivial to put together. However, without source to the wallet, I doubt anyone is going to spend the time to recreate all the hashing etc functions needed.
sr. member
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Supercomputing,

The traders that exchange their petitioned clone coins into an exchange channel are the ones that are going to profit from the second Decay Equation. There is a check in the Coinbase TX that verifies it goes to one of the proper addresses to prevent block manipulators of just this sort. The same goes for the amount that comes from the Reserves, for it must fall under a specified set of rules.

Let me know if you have any more questions.


I am still confused on two issues:

1). Who manages these funding addresses and why should we trust them. Why not give miners the option to opt-out.

2). How is it possible to trade a worthless coin and still make a profit - defies logic.
sr. member
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AFTER i update to new wallet
 and resync
i im at
109.245.142.48
 HuhHuh??

please finaly wahat is
conf file and valid
addresses   ?
Code:
addnode=69.195.149.114
addnode=204.27.62.234
addnode=69.195.148.42
addnode=204.27.62.242
addnode=69.195.148.34
addnode=204.27.62.226
addnode=62.219.98.129
sr. member
Activity: 466
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AFTER i update to new wallet
 and resync
i im at
109.245.142.48
 HuhHuh??

please finaly wahat is
conf file and valid
addresses   ?
sr. member
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sorry for insisting viz, but wouldn't a block explorer make everything more transparent thus trustful?
legendary
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Creator of Nexus http://nexus.io
Supercomputing,

The traders that exchange their petitioned clone coins into an exchange channel are the ones that are going to profit from the second Decay Equation. There is a check in the Coinbase TX that verifies it goes to one of the proper addresses to prevent block manipulators of just this sort. The same goes for the amount that comes from the Reserves, for it must fall under a specified set of rules.

Let me know if you have any more questions.


-------------------------------



Nodes who need to Update: If you see your IP here, Delete AppData and Resync.


67.182.67.197
176.9.29.76
198.206.150.116
109.245.142.48
54.165.162.248
47.20.207.76



Viz.
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@Videlicet

This has no connection with source code not being released for 1 -2 more months, there are no lines to read between other than the archives of this thread. These equations build the developer fund and supply the CSD to the exchange channels.

Perhaps from my lack of understanding how these trading channel funding and developer's fees work. What is to prevent anyone with the source code from replacing the funding addresses with theirs? Also, who ultimately ends up with the profits from these trading channels. Miners fund the trading channels but the trading channel overseers keep the profit?
legendary
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Creator of Nexus http://nexus.io
skunk,

Not a problem, good to know you got back on the main chain.  Smiley

Thank You,
Viz.
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Please send your debug.log if you see FORK. This is for my own personal debugging, it will not cause any issues. It is purely there to help hone in on this issue. This issue was caused by the Coinbase TX Checks, and is now resolved. Current Block is 15802.
Viz.
unfortunately i've removed everything but wallet.dat before resyncing, even debug.log, sorry...
legendary
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Let's put in some constants and swap the last variable to 1 since block time won't vary that much on this coin...

Block 120 (2 hours):
Miners: 50*e^(-0.0000011*120)+3 = 52.99
Dev: e^(-0.00000059 * 120) + 0.1 = 1.09

Block 525600 (1 year):
Miners: 50*e^(-0.0000011*525600)+3 = 31.04
Dev: e^(-0.00000059 * 525600) + 0.1 = 0.83

Block 2628000 (5 year):
Miners: 50*e^(-0.0000011*2628000)+3 = 5.776
Dev: e^(-0.00000059 * 2628000) + 0.1 = 0.312

So you start taking roughly 2%, rising to 2.7% after a year, and 5.4% after 5 years.

Unsure what to say, that's a horrible unfair greedy amount to try and take, and to try and mask using relatively complex equations.

You are forgetting the Coinshield Channels, and that value per block does not mean higher value overall in exponential decay:

Block 120 (2 hours): 1.09 / 67.07 = [1.6% per block]
Miners: 50*e^(-0.0000011*120)+3 = 52.99
Channels: 10 * e^(-0.00000055 * 120) + 3 = 12.99
Dev: e^(-0.00000059 * 120) + 0.1 = 1.09

Block 525600 (1 year): 0.83 / 42.36 = [1.9% per block]
Miners: 50*e^(-0.0000011*525600)+3 = 31.04
Channels: 10 * e^(-0.00000055 * 525600) + 3 = 10.49
Dev: e^(-0.00000059 * 525600) + 0.1 = 0.83

COIN SUPPLY, 1 YEAR: 28,545,067
Total Mined: 21,801,631 [76% to miners]
Total Channel: 6,231,778 [21% to traders]
Total Dev: 511,658 [1.7% dev]

Block 2628000 (5 year): 0.312 / 11.438 = [2.7% per block]
Miners: 50*e^(-0.0000011*2628000)+3 = 5.776
Channels: 10 * e^(-0.00000055 * 2628000]) + 3 = 5.35
Dev: e^(-0.00000059 * 2628000) + 0.1 = 0.312

COIN SUPPLY, 5 YEARS: 74,341,701
Total Mined: 50,888,959 [68% to miners]
Total Channel: 21,850,548 [29% to traders]
Total Dev: 1,602,194 [2.1% dev]

Block 5256000 (10 year): 0.145 / 6.845 = [2.1% per block]
Miners: 50*e^(-0.0000011*5256000) + 3 = 3.15
Channels: 10 * e^(-0.00000055 * 5256000]) + 3 = 3.55
Dev: e^(-0.00000059 * 5256000) + 0.1 = 0.145

COIN SUPPLY 10 YEARS: 96,156,860
Total Mined: 61,077,806 [63% to miners]
Total Channel: 32,935,024 [34% to traders]
Total Dev: 2,144,030 [2.2% dev]



This graph is from the modeling program I used to design the equations.

EDIT: As you will notice, the channels do increase in [%] over time. This gives them more longevity.

~Videlicet


This has no connection with source code not being released for 1 -2 more months, there are no lines to read between other than the archives of this thread. These equations build the developer fund and supply the CSD to the exchange channels.

Please send your debug.log if you see FORK. This is for my own personal debugging, it will not cause any issues. It is purely there to help hone in on possible issues. The problem last night was caused by the Coinbase TX Checks, and is now resolved in Core 1.0.1a. Current Block is 15803.
Viz.
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thank you supercomputing, neojin and mumus, i'm back on the right chain now...
what did cause the fork? yesterday's wallet update? aren't checkpoints supposed to avoid this?
sr. member
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ended up on the same chain  Angry
could somebody post some sane nodes please?

Try this:

Quote
If you a forked, delete your appdata [minus wallet.dat] and resync.
Viz.
that's what i did...

I'm doing the same now. This time I created a coinshield.conf and added the nodes above. So far I have only 1 connection but it is syncing.

Under windows (8.1) with coinshield-qt.exe I also have problem loosing the connections. I usually end up with 1-3 connections max.
legendary
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ended up on the same chain  Angry
could somebody post some sane nodes please?

Try this:

Quote
If you a forked, delete your appdata [minus wallet.dat] and resync.
Viz.
that's what i did...

I'm doing the same now. This time I created a coinshield.conf and added the nodes above. So far I have only 1 connection but it is syncing.
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