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You can not eliminate the middle man in businesses, especially in this digital age, be it fiat or cryptocurrencies, because they have come to stay. Big exchanges like Binance, are cashing in on being the middle man in businesses, an unavoidable indirect business associates, in your face, waiting for you to go through them.
Certain cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin are able to eliminate middleman technically, whereas in this case it is a user's need to adjust to business preferences, especially because cryptocurrencies must really pay attention to the level of trust of the second party.
As innovation develops in the crypto industry, the role of third parties can also be built into code which is usually called a smartcontract, although some of these sometimes have serious vulnerabilities that cause greater losses.
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No choice but to use the unavoidable middle man, the exchange companies.

You have highlighted the complex dynamics encountered by traders and investors when managing selling or buying their digital assets. While P2P transactions are possible, but we should recognize that intermediaries such as exchanges play important role in the business world due to the benefits they offer in terms of convenience, security and compliance with regulations and market access. It is our choice to using P2P or exchanges depending on our business of specific context in which transactions occur. I believe both models will continue to coexist serving different purposes and uses preferences within the evolving financial landscape.
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Using centralized exchange services has become common and difficult to avoid. I personally am used to centralized exchanges. Because for traders a centralized exchange is something that is needed. Even using p2p on centralized exchanges has now become a habit for me. It's just that one thing we must always remember about centralized exchanges is that we should not store our assets there for a long time. Especially if it's a long-term investment asset. Well, everything will always have advantages and disadvantages. Likewise with centralized and non-centralized exchanges. Everything will depend on whether we are more comfortable and feel safer using it on which exchange.
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Honestly, I have more numbers of trades using a middleman than using a peer-to-peer I'm sure all of us here third parties will always be with us, we are so used to it, It applies in many industries it applies in Cryptocurrency.
With this can we now say that bitcoin is not performing the original privacy goal or that it is the human factor that is frustrating it because like you pointed out, third party services in bitcoin is really growing bigger apart from the exchanges, people have taken up this like the brokers and they stand in the middle to execute the transaction like the escrow service. I think the P2P service is not really getting that attention because of trust.
There's no denying that engaging in Bitcoin transactions through third-party intermediaries offers a more convenient experience for a variety of reasons. This convenience stems from several factors, including a more robust orderbook and competitive pricing when compared to conducting direct peer-to-peer (P2P) sales. In some cases, issues related to trust and additional fees have often deterred me from engaging in P2P transactions.

On the other hand, I find P2P transactions to be more convenient when it comes to purchasing goods and services using BTC. Buying from reputable service providers offers protection against fraud and is particularly well-suited for P2P exchanges.
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Honestly, I have more numbers of trades using a middleman than using a peer-to-peer I'm sure all of us here third parties will always be with us, we are so used to it, It applies in many industries it applies in Cryptocurrency.



With this can we now say that bitcoin is not performing the original privacy goal or that it is the human factor that is frustrating it because like you pointed out, third party services in bitcoin is really growing bigger apart from the exchanges, people have taken up this like the brokers and they stand in the middle to execute the transaction like the escrow service. I think the P2P service is not really getting that attention because of trust.

Bitcoin will not function and connect to the global economy without these third-party services.  Remember the world was not established with Bitcoin as its main currency, Bitcoin was created in a world where there is already an existing financial system.  In order to transition, Bitcoin must adjust and adapt to the existing system until it is adopted and popular enough to implement its own features without the need for these third-party processors.  Aside from that, there is also authorities that hinder most of the features of Bitcoin so for now, Bitcoin has to use these exchanges since not everything in the world can be paid by Bitcoin directly.
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Definitely the human factor that is mitigating against this original plan of bitcoin P2P transactions, that assures privacy between two parties. And this is as a result of mistrust, because nobody wants to be scammed, therefore it necessitates the importance and emergence of the middleman in transactions. I think that as long as there is no technology on ground yet to guard against being scammed in P2P transactions, then the exchanges and other forms of third parties will still be invited as intermediaries in bitcoin transactions. I really look forward to the day when we won't need any centralized exchanges to transact bitcoin, that was made to be decentralized.
This is going to be difficult, the greater the degree of privacy the greater the chances people act on ways they would not if their information was exposed for everyone to see, so people will have to adapt, one way is the use of a centralized third party which mediates between the two parties trying to make a transaction, the other option is to simply accept the higher risk and move on, and as you may guess both options have advantages and disadvantages.
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Honestly, I have more numbers of trades using a middleman than using a peer-to-peer I'm sure all of us here third parties will always be with us, we are so used to it, It applies in many industries it applies in Cryptocurrency.



With this can we now say that bitcoin is not performing the original privacy goal or that it is the human factor that is frustrating it because like you pointed out, third party services in bitcoin is really growing bigger apart from the exchanges, people have taken up this like the brokers and they stand in the middle to execute the transaction like the escrow service. I think the P2P service is not really getting that attention because of trust.

Definitely the human factor that is mitigating against this original plan of bitcoin P2P transactions, that assures privacy between two parties. And this is as a result of mistrust, because nobody wants to be scammed, therefore it necessitates the importance and emergence of the middleman in transactions. I think that as long as there is no technology on ground yet to guard against being scammed in P2P transactions, then the exchanges and other forms of third parties will still be invited as intermediaries in bitcoin transactions. I really look forward to the day when we won't need any centralized exchanges to transact bitcoin, that was made to be decentralized.
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You can not eliminate the middle man in businesses, especially in this digital age, be it fiat or cryptocurrencies, because they have come to stay. Big exchanges like Binance, are cashing in on being the middle man in businesses, an unavoidable indirect business associates, in your face, waiting for you to go through them.



Unfortunately being a third-party company in a decentralized technology has become a very lucrative business, Satoshi envisioned an environment without the middleman man but the lack of trust between the two parties gives power to the middleman, the third-party system has been with us since time immemorial and unfortunately, it integrates in a decentralized exchange because of the lack of trust.

Honestly, I have more numbers of trades using a middleman than using a peer-to-peer I'm sure all of us here third parties will always be with us, we are so used to it, It applies in many industries it applies in Cryptocurrency.



I also believe most people here are also using centralized exchanges or intermediaries rather than peer-to-peer. But people dare not admit it because they think they will be discriminated against by bitcoin maximalists on the forum. It is not only a habit, but we also feel safer and more comfortable when using intermediary services. When it comes to storing assets, of course non-custodial wallets are an indispensable choice. But when it comes to trading, I actually still prefer to use exchanges or intermediary services.
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Honestly, I have more numbers of trades using a middleman than using a peer-to-peer I'm sure all of us here third parties will always be with us, we are so used to it, It applies in many industries it applies in Cryptocurrency.



With this can we now say that bitcoin is not performing the original privacy goal or that it is the human factor that is frustrating it because like you pointed out, third party services in bitcoin is really growing bigger apart from the exchanges, people have taken up this like the brokers and they stand in the middle to execute the transaction like the escrow service. I think the P2P service is not really getting that attention because of trust.
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Big exchanges like Binance, are cashing in on being the middle man in businesses, an unavoidable indirect business associates, in your face, waiting for you to go through them.
This isn't even the real middlemen we should be worried about. As for what happens in the general exchange of cryptos for cryptos, we can see that as buying from the house. The exchange charges commission to give us that service. The real issue is the exchange of cryptos for fiat using the P2P feature, even on Binance. Despite the fact that merchants are verified and their details held by exchanges, you still get the greedy ones among them trying to scam those they're transacting with. A few days ago, while transacting with one on a reputable exchange who claimed he had sent payment and that I should release coin. But that was a lie. He didn't send any cash. I confronted the thief and he immediately cancelled the trade. Without middlemen in P2P, scam will kill the industry. I could've been scammed by that buyer if there weren't any middlemen (who held my coin) and I wasn't extremely careful too.

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For example there are some P2P local groups were with or without the third party escrow service, some parties still transact successfully without distrust which is the original bitcoin decentralized system.
I understand the scenario you painted there but that can be very risky too. To get to that point of trust, one must've done series of transaction with the other to enthrone such trust. Nobody should rush into trusting anyone by assurances of mouth. Let action prove its deeds.
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You can not eliminate the middle man in businesses, especially in this digital age, be it fiat or cryptocurrencies, because they have come to stay. Big exchanges like Binance, are cashing in on being the middle man in businesses, an unavoidable indirect business associates, in your face, waiting for you to go through them.



Unfortunately being a third-party company in a decentralized technology has become a very lucrative business, Satoshi envisioned an environment without the middleman man but the lack of trust between the two parties gives power to the middleman, the third-party system has been with us since time immemorial and unfortunately, it integrates in a decentralized exchange because of the lack of trust.

Honestly, I have more numbers of trades using a middleman than using a peer-to-peer I'm sure all of us here third parties will always be with us, we are so used to it, It applies in many industries it applies in Cryptocurrency.

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There some most cases where you may deal without involving the middle man, which we can call it escrow because that is the function of p2p trade on any exchange. They hold the funds in between and when is initiated and the receiver confirm his payment then the escrow holder releases for the sender, but from my little research over here I noticed there are some reputable members you can deal without having to go through escrow service for them to hold funds while the business transaction is settled. So partially people across this forum can deal with each others after haven developed trust.

Truly as you have noted, in this forum for example, there are reputable members that you can exchange your bitcoin with fiat, especially in local boards. Some of these trusted members stands as escrows in the exchange of bitcoin to fiat between members in the forum. Although this P2P transactions is limited to trusted people in a group, so reputable exchanges still plays their vital roles as the middleman or third party in exchange transactions.
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Well, trust is difficult to earn. And it's often advised not to give it to anybody. We don't easily trust. But does an exchange offer a solution to this? From a certain viewpoint, it actually is making it more problematic. It adds another layer of trust. Not only are we required to trust the person we're trading with, we're now also required to trust the exchange itself. So far, it is proven with sufficient evidence that exchanges cannot be trusted however huge they are.

The issue of trust is the strong factor that we struggle with on the P2P level. Yes bitcoin in it decentralized system eliminated this aspect of third party transaction if all things are equal but just that human selfish factor that breeds distrust. But a P2P is quite successful with bitcoin transaction if both parties eliminate that distrust. For example there are some P2P local groups were with or without the third party escrow service, some parties still transact successfully without distrust which is the original bitcoin decentralized system.
Perhaps the volume of funds might be a very good reason why the use of middle man is necessary in some cases and not in others.
I for one would like to have a third party involved if I am to move a huge fund across border, just so I am sure I don't fall in the trap of paying into the wrong address that may be occasioned by a bug or malware, when copying and pasting address from my clipboard.
An exchange that is good as an intermidiary has provided jobs to people and am sure the fees won't be as high as using the centralized fiat system if we were to compare also.

In talks about conversions from crypto to fiat then we do prefer on making use of that p2p system which its true that when it comes to fees or whatever deductions then there's no such thing plus you could really be able

to receive it out without any issues as well. This is why it cant really be blamed out on why people do really love on making use of these services despite that we do much prefer about decentralization. The convenience
and the swiftness of transactions plus having that less fee or none is the main reason on why we do really still prefer on making use or considering about these stuffs. It isnt really that we dont have no choice since
there's still option for us to deal with those decentralized or totally anonymous transactions but we know that risks on dealing up with random people on the internet is really that risky or something
that we cant really that able to assure.

This is why we would really be considering out on touching up these platforms because you would really be going on things which are convenient and at the same time it is really that less risky.
Although in exchange of that will definitely be talking about your own privacy but well it isnt really that an issue for most people.
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Actually, it is said that how the trades will go depends upon the intentions of that middleman so be it an exchange or a single person or a group of people, what matters is the trust factor. Let's say someone brings you some business and you're earning through it, then I don't think there's anything wrong on that person's end to charge you something out of it or for it. The same way, exchanges are a source of trust atm which is why traders go through them to buy and sell crypto and in between, they trade their assets to make more money with it and as that service is being provided by the exchange, why won't they even charge you on the transactions you do by trading there? That's how they'll keep their servers upgraded and provide you with the best services, right?
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Well, trust is difficult to earn. And it's often advised not to give it to anybody. We don't easily trust. But does an exchange offer a solution to this? From a certain viewpoint, it actually is making it more problematic. It adds another layer of trust. Not only are we required to trust the person we're trading with, we're now also required to trust the exchange itself. So far, it is proven with sufficient evidence that exchanges cannot be trusted however huge they are.

The issue of trust is the strong factor that we struggle with on the P2P level. Yes bitcoin in it decentralized system eliminated this aspect of third party transaction if all things are equal but just that human selfish factor that breeds distrust. But a P2P is quite successful with bitcoin transaction if both parties eliminate that distrust. For example there are some P2P local groups were with or without the third party escrow service, some parties still transact successfully without distrust which is the original bitcoin decentralized system.
Perhaps the volume of funds might be a very good reason why the use of middle man is necessary in some cases and not in others.
I for one would like to have a third party involved if I am to move a huge fund across border, just so I am sure I don't fall in the trap of paying into the wrong address that may be occasioned by a bug or malware, when copying and pasting address from my clipboard.
An exchange that is good as an intermidiary has provided jobs to people and am sure the fees won't be as high as using the centralized fiat system if we were to compare also.
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I think that exchanges simply play a different role and thus are very likely to stay. A person can send BTC from one address to another, and there's zero need for an exchange in that situation. But if you're a trader, you need an exchange, and centralized exchanges might be convenient for that. If you want to buy or sell BTC for fiat, that also often requires an exchange, although it doesn't have to be a place like Binance where they store your money. I, for one, usually use local exchanges where you, for example, send BTC to a certain address from your wallet and get a transfer onto a bank account, so nobody is storing anyone else's funds in this situation.
Also, if we're talking about active use of Bitcoin for payments, a custodial wallet can be more convenient if it's widely used because that allows 'instant payments' and very low fees.
I think it should just be accepted that there are some use cases for intermediaries, and that they are not going to disappear.
I don't either see the possibility of centralized exchanges going away soon because of the role that they play in the industry in terms of trading future contracts/leverage, They play the role that the forex brokers play in the forex industry, and taking them out of the picture regardless makes no sense, we have decentralized exchanges and self custody wallet, people can always run transaction without third-party.
That is mainly because they are doing a great job and people like to use them. I mean there is an understanding that if they were doing a terrible job then nobody would use them, but we see that they are actually doing a good job so why would anyone want to use something else instead? This is why it's quite important to realize that we are going to end up with centralized exchanges keep being the driving engine for the crypto world.

It is obvious that we are not going to end up with a good thing, we should be considering that as a trouble when the time comes. Hopefully it will be soon that bitcoin will start to go back up again and we are going to see how much centralized exchanges are helpful in that regard when you want to trade quickly.
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The involvement of third parties has become indispensable, especially within the cryptocurrency exchange market. We all comprehend the formidable challenge of trading Bitcoin at market rates. If peer-to-peer (P2P) methods could offer a heightened sense of security devoid of intermediary agents, it might just proffer the solution we've been seeking.

Binance emerges as a bearer of high trustworthiness. Their mission entails transforming this platform into a global exchange thoroughfare. While entering Binance remains optional, its allure surpasses the somewhat intricate and potentially fraudulent-prone landscape of the P2P approach that has persisted hitherto.
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One of the reasons why I like bitcoin is that it's decentralized, and you can do a P2P transaction with another bitcoin holder without any exchange being involved. But for convenience, transparency and scams that are associated with P2P, you don't have much choice but to patronize the services of these exchanges.

You don't need to patronized the service of exchange for transacting with Bitcoin, we have companies that specialized in doing just that but they're centralized and just like exchanges and that's the disadvantage of using them. Many individuals don't have trust in decentralized platforms and that's the problem, they believe in third party system because they're used to trusting the banks. The third party companies in the industry are operating like the banks and that's why they're been trusted.

Don't say we don't have choice because we have choices but we refused to use them, nobody is forcing businesses or individuals to rely on third party companied that operate as middle men but we choose to use them. We can carry out transaction without needing them.
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Well, trust is difficult to earn. And it's often advised not to give it to anybody. We don't easily trust. But does an exchange offer a solution to this? From a certain viewpoint, it actually is making it more problematic. It adds another layer of trust. Not only are we required to trust the person we're trading with, we're now also required to trust the exchange itself. So far, it is proven with sufficient evidence that exchanges cannot be trusted however huge they are.

The issue of trust is the strong factor that we struggle with on the P2P level. Yes bitcoin in it decentralized system eliminated this aspect of third party transaction if all things are equal but just that human selfish factor that breeds distrust. But a P2P is quite successful with bitcoin transaction if both parties eliminate that distrust. For example there are some P2P local groups were with or without the third party escrow service, some parties still transact successfully without distrust which is the original bitcoin decentralized system.
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