[No KYC] Prepaid Cards and Virtual Phone Numbers are available on Stealths

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Quote from: StealthsNet on May 04, 2024, 10:53:53 AM

Our VISA International card provider notified us about that we are unable to issue new cards without KYC due to new local regulations.

Bad news, and this new regulations are getting more stupid every day.
“The closer the collapse of the Empire, the crazier it's laws are.” ― Cicero

Quote from: StealthsNet on May 05, 2024, 04:28:11 PM

Obviously, our growing volume had an impact on this, but the main reason is US government's recent -unfortunate- reaction to no-KYC services.
That's cat & mouse game, they will block we will bring new alternatives. At least, for now, we have motivation to keep this business up.

I am hoping you will find some new alternative that works, but I heard other providers of non-kyc cards are facing similar issues and they had to cancel all their virtual cards.
What's even worse for competition is they even canceled previously issued cards and that really sucks Tongue

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Quote from: StealthsNet on May 05, 2024, 04:28:11 PM

Obviously, our growing volume had an impact on this, but the main reason is US government's recent -unfortunate- reaction to no-KYC services.
That's cat & mouse game, they will block we will bring new alternatives. At least, for now, we have motivation to keep this business up.

It's true, it seems that the feds are on some kind of spring offensive against all services that don't ask for KYC and have to do with privacy when it comes to BTC. As far as I can see, there are some other virtual cards that do not have KYC and are available, it seems, only in Europe, but they do not have 3D security, so payment through POS devices is questionable.

Good luck finding some new alternatives Wink

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Quote from: Lucius on May 05, 2024, 10:53:03 AM

Quote from: StealthsNet on May 04, 2024, 10:53:53 AM

🔔 Service Update: VISA International Prepaid
Our VISA International card provider notified us about that we are unable to issue new cards without KYC due to new local regulations. This does not affect already issued cards.
~snip~

It was only a matter of time when it would happen, and maybe you yourself contributed to it happening faster, considering that the card limit was increased to even $2000, which obviously attracted someone's attention. However, considering everything that is happening, it is not at all strange that without KYC it will not be possible to buy any virtual card.

Obviously, our growing volume had an impact on this, but the main reason is US government's recent -unfortunate- reaction to no-KYC services.
That's cat & mouse game, they will block we will bring new alternatives. At least, for now, we have motivation to keep this business up.

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Quote from: StealthsNet on May 04, 2024, 10:53:53 AM

🔔 Service Update: VISA International Prepaid
Our VISA International card provider notified us about that we are unable to issue new cards without KYC due to new local regulations. This does not affect already issued cards.
~snip~

It was only a matter of time when it would happen, and maybe you yourself contributed to it happening faster, considering that the card limit was increased to even $2000, which obviously attracted someone's attention. However, considering everything that is happening, it is not at all strange that without KYC it will not be possible to buy any virtual card.

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🔔 Service Update: VISA International Prepaid

Our VISA International card provider notified us about that we are unable to issue new cards without KYC due to new local regulations. This does not affect already issued cards.

👉🏻 For U.S. customers, we have VISA gift card:
https://stealths.net/product/visa-giftcard-auto

👉🏻 For international customers, we have MPC Mastercard (please note that they don't support 3D):
https://stealths.net/product/mpc-mastercard-auto

We understand that it was most our most preferred product and we are continuously working on finding alternative solutions.

Also, we would like to sincerely thank all our customers who have supported us for the last 6 months.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on May 01, 2024, 09:32:27 AM

Is there any chance Stealths could provide non-kyc physical cards in future?
There is a demand for products like this.

We actually had some meetings with card issuers and it seems like that's possible to have no-KYC physical cards (even with decent ATM withdrawal limits). It's currently unaffordable for us but in the future I hope yes.

Quote from: dkbit98 on May 01, 2024, 09:32:27 AM

I just noticed Stealths has been listed on Kycnot.me:
https://kycnot.me/service/stealths

Yes, they listed us 1 month ago after several months of waiting.

Better late than never tho.

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Quote from: Osmium Naka Moto on April 29, 2024, 07:16:22 AM

Still looking for a Virtual card provider that can be used with Apple...

I think your best option is to look for apple gift cards.
There was several providers (Bitrefill, thebitcoincompany.com) who sold them for bitcoin and other cryptocurrency, but I am not sure they are still offering them.
Just make sure to use matching IP address to avoid getting rejected.

Quote from: StealthsNet on April 29, 2024, 09:27:38 AM

As far as I know they are providing virtual cards, not prepaid cards. This is probably the reason you were able to use it on Apple Store.

Is there any chance Stealths could provide non-kyc physical cards in future?
There is a demand for products like this.

PS
I just noticed Stealths has been listed on Kycnot.me:
https://kycnot.me/service/stealths

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Quote from: Osmium Naka Moto on April 29, 2024, 07:16:22 AM

Quote from: StealthsNet on April 29, 2024, 05:39:39 AM

1. There was a temporary maintenance on VISA international cards, you should be able to purchase now.
2. You can't use it on Apple Store, they don't accept prepaid cards.
3. You can use any address and phone number, no address is linked to the card.

That's a pity. I successfully used PST.net before with Apple and they had no problem accepted small amount of BTC with no KYC. Recently, I tried several times and burnt a bunch of sats only to have it eaten by their KYC process. But their 3DS card was able to pay for Apple Store stuff before... Still looking for a Virtual card provider that can be used with Apple...

As far as I know they are providing virtual cards, not prepaid cards. This is probably the reason you were able to use it on Apple Store.

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Quote from: StealthsNet on April 29, 2024, 05:39:39 AM

1. There was a temporary maintenance on VISA international cards, you should be able to purchase now.
2. You can't use it on Apple Store, they don't accept prepaid cards.
3. You can use any address and phone number, no address is linked to the card.

That's a pity. I successfully used PST.net before with Apple and they had no problem accepted small amount of BTC with no KYC. Recently, I tried several times and burnt a bunch of sats only to have it eaten by their KYC process. But their 3DS card was able to pay for Apple Store stuff before... Still looking for a Virtual card provider that can be used with Apple...

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Quote from: Osmium Naka Moto on April 29, 2024, 05:12:07 AM

1. Both the VISA International Prepaid Card (USD) and the PDS Mastercard Prepaid is showing a Min of $5.00, but a Max of $0.00. Coding error or is the card taken down?

2. Trying to pay for Apple Developer's Program with this. Wonder if there's any known trouble with Apple Store payment (Apple Developer's Program payment link jumps to Apple Store for payment processing).

3. Does the VISA International Prepaid Card's 3DS has associated phone number and address? So that I can match my Apple ID account address & number to it, in case Apple cross checks whether the account address matches the billing address?

Thanks

1. There was a temporary maintenance on VISA international cards, you should be able to purchase now.
2. You can't use it on Apple Store, they don't accept prepaid cards.
3. You can use any address and phone number, no address is linked to the card.

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1. Both the VISA International Prepaid Card (USD) and the PDS Mastercard Prepaid is showing a Min of $5.00, but a Max of $0.00. Coding error or is the card taken down?

2. Trying to pay for Apple Developer's Program with this. Wonder if there's any known trouble with Apple Store payment (Apple Developer's Program payment link jumps to Apple Store for payment processing).

3. Does the VISA International Prepaid Card's 3DS has associated phone number and address? So that I can match my Apple ID account address & number to it, in case Apple cross checks whether the account address matches the billing address?

Thanks

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Quote from: Pmalek on April 22, 2024, 11:30:13 AM

In that case, it's a slight downgrade security-wise. The standard security model requires the owner of the card to confirm each transaction using a code they receive on their registered phone number. It's 2FA. If you get rid of that, there is no longer a second authentication, and anyone with my card details (which I must protect anyways) would be able to make transactions. Am I correct? Can I at least block the card and freeze its spending capabilities anytime I don't want to use it?

The thing is not ideal when it comes to security, but considering that you can buy an unlimited number of cards, then you can choose the amounts on them in relation to whether you want to use them for online purchases where you have to enter the card data, or you will use the card exclusively to add to Google/Apple wallet on your mobile phone and pay through POS devices that way.

I think that the possibilities of abuse are very small and that it all depends on how you store the card information. It is important that the e-mail you will use to receive the card information after payment is secure, because it seems to me that this is one of the ways that someone could get hold of the card information, unless of course you enter it yourself on a phishing site.

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Quote from: Pmalek on April 22, 2024, 02:23:06 PM

Quote from: StealthsNet on April 22, 2024, 12:09:32 PM

You are right, anyone who knows card details can make a purchase (just like no-3D cards). This is obviously a downside however there is not any other prepaid card issuer with 3D support and no-KYC requirement. As far as I know, it's possible to block card details on VISA International Prepaid Card.

Are you aware of any cases where the auto-3D feature stopped working, preventing a genuine user from using the card until your support checked what's wrong?
I am looking at your international VISA prepaid card. Is this country list up-to-date?
The product description says there is no currency conversion fee. Can you share the source you use to convert between USD and other national currencies?

To clarify, we are not the card issuer. We are reselling prepaid cards which are issued by U.S. banks via licensed card issuers. Card issuer uses VISA's exchange rates, I believe you can find it on VISA's website.
We haven't had any issue with 3D security so far, it's sold as "international" so this is why it's enabled. Country list is up-to-date.

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Quote from: StealthsNet on April 22, 2024, 12:09:32 PM

You are right, anyone who knows card details can make a purchase (just like no-3D cards). This is obviously a downside however there is not any other prepaid card issuer with 3D support and no-KYC requirement. As far as I know, it's possible to block card details on VISA International Prepaid Card.

Are you aware of any cases where the auto-3D feature stopped working, preventing a genuine user from using the card until your support checked what's wrong?
I am looking at your international VISA prepaid card. Is this country list up-to-date?
The product description says there is no currency conversion fee. Can you share the source you use to convert between USD and other national currencies?

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Quote from: Pmalek on April 22, 2024, 11:30:13 AM

Quote from: StealthsNet on April 18, 2024, 02:38:56 AM

This card has auto-3D feature, which doesn't require an action from you such as entering auth code. All 3D requests are automatically approved by card issuer.

In that case, it's a slight downgrade security-wise. The standard security model requires the owner of the card to confirm each transaction using a code they receive on their registered phone number. It's 2FA. If you get rid of that, there is no longer a second authentication, and anyone with my card details (which I must protect anyways) would be able to make transactions. Am I correct? Can I at least block the card and freeze its spending capabilities anytime I don't want to use it?

You are right, anyone who knows card details can make a purchase (just like no-3D cards). This is obviously a downside however there is not any other prepaid card issuer with 3D support and no-KYC requirement. As far as I know, it's possible to block card details on VISA International Prepaid Card.

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Quote from: StealthsNet on April 18, 2024, 02:38:56 AM

This card has auto-3D feature, which doesn't require an action from you such as entering auth code. All 3D requests are automatically approved by card issuer.

In that case, it's a slight downgrade security-wise. The standard security model requires the owner of the card to confirm each transaction using a code they receive on their registered phone number. It's 2FA. If you get rid of that, there is no longer a second authentication, and anyone with my card details (which I must protect anyways) would be able to make transactions. Am I correct? Can I at least block the card and freeze its spending capabilities anytime I don't want to use it?

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Quote from: LeGaulois on April 17, 2024, 08:29:26 PM

If someone knows the answer to this:

The website says the card supports 3D secure.

How it's possible if the card issuer does't know my phone number and there is no app. I can't follow the verification protocol

TYVM

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Quote from: StealthsNet on April 17, 2024, 03:54:02 PM

PDS Mastercard service was closed for new orders for a few days, we fixed the problem and launched it again.

The VISA International Prepaid Card (USD) is also issued by PDS? Sad

This card has auto-3D feature, which doesn't require an action from you such as entering auth code. All 3D requests are automatically approved by card issuer.

Only PDS Mastercard is issued by Prepaid Digital Solutions.

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If someone knows the answer to this:

The website says the card supports 3D secure.

How it's possible if the card issuer does't know my phone number and there is no app. I can't follow the verification protocol

TYVM

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Quote from: StealthsNet on April 17, 2024, 03:54:02 PM

PDS Mastercard service was closed for new orders for a few days, we fixed the problem and launched it again.

The VISA International Prepaid Card (USD) is also issued by PDS? Sad

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Quote from: dkbit98 on April 17, 2024, 03:12:15 PM

Quote from: StealthsNet on April 16, 2024, 03:23:20 PM

- VISA US Gift Cards are back with a maximum limit of $1,000. https://stealths.net/product/visa-giftcard-auto

I am reading the details and terms about this card and it is saying that it only works in the United States.
Does that mean that it can't be used with merchants and websites that are located in Europe and other regions outside US?

Quote from: StealthsNet on April 16, 2024, 03:23:20 PM

- PDS Mastercard service has been restroyed. https://stealths.net/product/pds-mastercard-auto

What does restroyed mean exactly?

Yes, VISA Gift Card (US) product work only in the United States merchants. For other countries, you may consider using VISA International Prepaid Card.

PDS Mastercard service was closed for new orders for a few days, we fixed the problem and launched it again.

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Quote from: StealthsNet on April 16, 2024, 03:23:20 PM

- VISA US Gift Cards are back with a maximum limit of $1,000. https://stealths.net/product/visa-giftcard-auto

I am reading the details and terms about this card and it is saying that it only works in the United States.
Does that mean that it can't be used with merchants and websites that are located in Europe and other regions outside US?

Quote from: StealthsNet on April 16, 2024, 03:23:20 PM

- PDS Mastercard service has been restroyed. https://stealths.net/product/pds-mastercard-auto

What does restroyed mean exactly?

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