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Quote from: nfl nerd on November 08, 2021, 10:08:40 PM

Stake is good for me for nfl and parlays

Nitro is legit and wont jack you

Never played with sportsbet but they have a big following, really dont think they do the kyc

All the sportsbooks you've mentioned are good based on my experience.

My first sportsbook was Nitrogensports, then sportsbet, and stake., I'm actively playing with these two sites along with some of my favorites, and thus far, I'm never bothered by any KYC requirement even though I won a decent amount sometimes.

On the other hand, there are some bad reviews about nitrogensports if you'll look at their trust rating. That has lessened their popularity but before, they're really popular.
As long as you do good and there's no other thing that you do that violates them with your account, you're up and nothing to worry about such.

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Quote from: dimonstration on November 08, 2021, 10:43:54 AM

Casino don't get a license just to boost there reputation. It's just happened that people will trust more the Casino it's compliant to the law before they operate. Licence is a requirements for there business permit. They are not allowed to operate on various country if they don't acquire it and they might face lawsuit once the country that they are operating know this. If you want to run a business smoothly as possible, You will need to abide the law and follow there guidelines so that you can freely operate without worries for your business. That's the usual thinking of a legit casino. A shady or not serious casino usually doesn't think about legal matters and leave to the consumers if they trust them or not. Like a mutual trust system only and no string attached.

This is debatable. If a casino has a license from some normal jurisdiction, and not from banana islands, then this indicates that it operates in the legal field of some serious country and this is a very significant plus to the reputation. For example, if a casino has a license from the United States, then I will treat it with increased confidence because it is a harsh jurisdiction and hardly anyone wants to break the laws in it.

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Quote from: nfl nerd on November 08, 2021, 10:08:40 PM

Stake is good for me for nfl and parlays

Nitro is legit and wont jack you

Never played with sportsbet but they have a big following, really dont think they do the kyc

All the sportsbooks you've mentioned are good based on my experience.

My first sportsbook was Nitrogensports, then sportsbet, and stake., I'm actively playing with these two sites along with some of my favorites, and thus far, I'm never bothered by any KYC requirement even though I won a decent amount sometimes.

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Quote from: AhmadM on November 05, 2021, 07:12:35 PM

To be honest, I believe for a huge casino platform such as stake.com, they wouldn't perform KYC requirements to its users who play at hundreds of dollar range for each session.

Some users reported that there is the personal information needed before anything else. It means slowly but surely, we can now expect that KYC will be implemented at most casinos not just on Stake.

Perhaps those users are high rollers? Thats why the casino asked for some personal information to those users in the first place. As a small gambler like me who play with tens of dollar as starting balances, I have never faced such kind of thing.

Unfortunately, governments in many countries are pushing hard to regulate cryptocurrency casinos. One of the requirements is absolute KYC verification of all users. If the casino wants to operate legally in a given country, it will have to adapt or move to a country where such regulations do not yet exist.

We can expect that soon most cryptocurrency casinos will simply have to require KYC verification from all users.

Because casino sites had been used in the past and even now as terminal to take and spread money around the world in which a clear behavior of Money Laundering .

We are just being hurt because we as legit gambler and does not act in any illegal matter are also being affected by this regulations in which taking our ways and reason why we are here in crypto to Hide and protect our characters .

Now this KYC obligatory is making us normal in dealings like every place where we need to fill up about our personality.

But admit it or not, in the next months or Years all crypto casinos will be having this Requirements and no one will scape from that.

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Stake is good for me for nfl and parlays

Nitro is legit and wont jack you

Never played with sportsbet but they have a big following, really dont think they do the kyc

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Quote from: AhmadM on November 05, 2021, 07:12:35 PM

To be honest, I believe for a huge casino platform such as stake.com, they wouldn't perform KYC requirements to its users who play at hundreds of dollar range for each session.

Some users reported that there is the personal information needed before anything else. It means slowly but surely, we can now expect that KYC will be implemented at most casinos not just on Stake.

Perhaps those users are high rollers? Thats why the casino asked for some personal information to those users in the first place. As a small gambler like me who play with tens of dollar as starting balances, I have never faced such kind of thing.

Unfortunately, governments in many countries are pushing hard to regulate cryptocurrency casinos. One of the requirements is absolute KYC verification of all users. If the casino wants to operate legally in a given country, it will have to adapt or move to a country where such regulations do not yet exist.

We can expect that soon most cryptocurrency casinos will simply have to require KYC verification from all users.

They are regulating cryptos because they can't track the transactions in crypto-fraud. Even the gambling site owners themselves can't do anything if one of their customers complain about hacks and will just say sorry to the customer. In the case of KYC, they will somehow know where the funds will end up as everything is under monitor.

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We can't get to a conclusion finding a gambling platform that'll never ask for kyc. With time there'll be changes in the terms. Based on the same the platforms will request to fulfill the kyc. Even today we've got a new addition of cryptocurrency accepted gambling platform to our forum with no KYC. The same doesn't assure with the service to continue without kyc forever.

Nowadays most of the gambling platforms request to fulfill KYC. This is mainly done to restrict people's participation from certain countries that'll affect the functioning of the gambling platforms.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on November 08, 2021, 10:36:28 AM

We trust a casino based on their reputation and I think they don't need to acquire a license in order to operate as long as there's no legal risk on their side. What I'm trying to say is that, if all of them will get the license, that means they'll be regulated and therefore KYC will become mandatory, so what happen to anonymous gambling then?

Since they are running a business, it's really mandatory that their company should have a license to make everything legit. Maybe that statement of yours can be applied to those people that have already been in crypto for long but gambling sites also target new users to their site. Making their business a complete legit service if they will undergo and comply with the regulation is one of the factors that most new users preferred.

However, no need to think of it now as somehow, we can bet that a mandatory KYC will not happen, at least for now.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on November 08, 2021, 10:46:32 AM

Unfortunately, governments in many countries are pushing hard to regulate cryptocurrency casinos. One of the requirements is absolute KYC verification of all users. If the casino wants to operate legally in a given country, it will have to adapt or move to a country where such regulations do not yet exist.

We can expect that soon most cryptocurrency casinos will simply have to require KYC verification from all users.

We can but hopefully not and they'll only be asking KYC if something's wrong with the user's account and they've found any malicious activity. As long as it's followed like that, there's no need for anyone to worry about passing on KYC. But if they're also aware that they did wrong on their accounts, the user has no choice but to follow and he's aware of it upon reading the rules that have been shown before signing up. A gambler that enjoys playing to a casino won't look at this matter though.

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Quote from: manbitcoinlover on October 24, 2021, 03:25:15 PM

What are some sportbooks that will NEVER ask for KYC

One thing that is worth questioning is - if this company does not ask their customers for the very basics, which is an expectation in almost every country in the world to prevent money laundering, then what other elements might they be trying to skimp or take shortcuts on? Now asking for KYC is not some bullet proof defence that makes a company impenetrable and it could also be abused by all sorts of sketchy people, but looking at the wider picture you should want a company that has basic standards like this. It might just save you from waking up one day and them saying "all your money is gone because we couldn't be bothered to pay for proper security personnel" or "the government of our country seized all funds because we weren't compliant and had no idea what we were doing".

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Quote from: AhmadM on November 06, 2021, 03:24:57 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2021, 07:54:18 PM

Quote from: AhmadM on November 05, 2021, 07:12:35 PM

To be honest, I believe for a huge casino platform such as stake.com, they wouldn't perform KYC requirements to its users who play at hundreds of dollar range for each session.

Some users reported that there is the personal information needed before anything else. It means slowly but surely, we can now expect that KYC will be implemented at most casinos not just on Stake.

Perhaps those users are high rollers? Thats why the casino asked for some personal information to those users in the first place. As a small gambler like me who play with tens of dollar as starting balances, I have never faced such kind of thing.

Unfortunately, governments in many countries are pushing hard to regulate cryptocurrency casinos. One of the requirements is absolute KYC verification of all users. If the casino wants to operate legally in a given country, it will have to adapt or move to a country where such regulations do not yet exist.

We can expect that soon most cryptocurrency casinos will simply have to require KYC verification from all users.

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Quote from: AhmadM on November 06, 2021, 03:24:57 PM

Perhaps those users are high rollers? Thats why the casino asked for some personal information to those users in the first place. As a small gambler like me who play with tens of dollar as starting balances, I have never faced such kind of thing.

Good for you then but don't expect the same status and experience in the future. The information from some users regarding KYC on gambling sites is now proof that even a reputable and largest site like Stake is now slowly in the centralization phase.

KYC is something that we can't avoid in the future, whatever the platform is.

I agree because KYC is a mandatory procedure for financial institutions, exchanges, sportsbooks, etc. If some Sportbooks do not require users to pass KYC, it means the regulators have not reached it yet, which will definitely happen in the future. So I would not recommend to use VPN/TOR on Sportbooks which prohibit you to use the platform to avoid possible problems.

We trust a casino based on their reputation and I think they don't need to acquire a license in order to operate as long as there's no legal risk on their side. What I'm trying to say is that, if all of them will get the license, that means they'll be regulated and therefore KYC will become mandatory, so what happen to anonymous gambling then?

Casino don't get a license just to boost there reputation. It's just happened that people will trust more the Casino it's compliant to the law before they operate. Licence is a requirements for there business permit. They are not allowed to operate on various country if they don't acquire it and they might face lawsuit once the country that they are operating know this. If you want to run a business smoothly as possible, You will need to abide the law and follow there guidelines so that you can freely operate without worries for your business. That's the usual thinking of a legit casino. A shady or not serious casino usually doesn't think about legal matters and leave to the consumers if they trust them or not. Like a mutual trust system only and no string attached.

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Quote from: madnessteat on November 08, 2021, 05:34:51 AM

Quote from: chaser15 on November 07, 2021, 05:49:44 PM

Quote from: AhmadM on November 06, 2021, 03:24:57 PM

Perhaps those users are high rollers? Thats why the casino asked for some personal information to those users in the first place. As a small gambler like me who play with tens of dollar as starting balances, I have never faced such kind of thing.

Good for you then but don't expect the same status and experience in the future. The information from some users regarding KYC on gambling sites is now proof that even a reputable and largest site like Stake is now slowly in the centralization phase.

KYC is something that we can't avoid in the future, whatever the platform is.

I agree because KYC is a mandatory procedure for financial institutions, exchanges, sportsbooks, etc. If some Sportbooks do not require users to pass KYC, it means the regulators have not reached it yet, which will definitely happen in the future. So I would not recommend to use VPN/TOR on Sportbooks which prohibit you to use the platform to avoid possible problems.

We trust a casino based on their reputation and I think they don't need to acquire a license in order to operate as long as there's no legal risk on their side. What I'm trying to say is that, if all of them will get the license, that means they'll be regulated and therefore KYC will become mandatory, so what happen to anonymous gambling then?

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 07, 2021, 05:49:44 PM

Quote from: AhmadM on November 06, 2021, 03:24:57 PM

Perhaps those users are high rollers? Thats why the casino asked for some personal information to those users in the first place. As a small gambler like me who play with tens of dollar as starting balances, I have never faced such kind of thing.

Good for you then but don't expect the same status and experience in the future. The information from some users regarding KYC on gambling sites is now proof that even a reputable and largest site like Stake is now slowly in the centralization phase.

KYC is something that we can't avoid in the future, whatever the platform is.

I agree because KYC is a mandatory procedure for financial institutions, exchanges, sportsbooks, etc. If some Sportbooks do not require users to pass KYC, it means the regulators have not reached it yet, which will definitely happen in the future. So I would not recommend to use VPN/TOR on Sportbooks which prohibit you to use the platform to avoid possible problems.

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Quote from: mv1986 on November 07, 2021, 11:39:39 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 07, 2021, 10:39:40 AM

The meaning of this option is clear: no site wants to receive money from a stolen credit card and subsequently face charges of laundering the stolen funds. The problem is that most casinos/bookmakers use this option only to delay/or completely cancel payments to players who have been successful.

Well said!

Generally, if the KYC stuff was meant to protects players' funds, it would be a different story. But all too often it goes without any reason or rationality that you find yourself in an ugly position with a bookie. Sometimes they don't even accept official documents. It's ridiculous, and the reason usually is NOT to protect players' funds, but to delay and delay.

Yes, if the casino wants to protect the players' funds, then it must require KYC already at the time of their crediting. But we all know that the question of KYC mainly arises at the moment when the player wants to withdraw money. It seems absurd to me. If everything was fine when you accepted my money and I used it in gambling, then everything should be fine at the moment when I decided to withdraw it.

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Quote from: AhmadM on November 06, 2021, 03:24:57 PM

Perhaps those users are high rollers? Thats why the casino asked for some personal information to those users in the first place. As a small gambler like me who play with tens of dollar as starting balances, I have never faced such kind of thing.

Good for you then but don't expect the same status and experience in the future. The information from some users regarding KYC on gambling sites is now proof that even a reputable and largest site like Stake is now slowly in the centralization phase.

KYC is something that we can't avoid in the future, whatever the platform is.

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Quote from: seleme on November 07, 2021, 04:57:50 PM

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Quote from: seleme on November 06, 2021, 04:26:45 PM

Even if the team decided to verify the owner of the account, the user can easily refuse to do so and ask for the deposit back if there is such a term on the user agreement. Just my 2 cents.

The user can do that and there's no choice for the gambling site but to return the deposit, however, isn't it unfair for the gamblers that he could not take his win because his account got flagged for suspicious activities just because he cannot comply with the KYC? I mean, they can fabricate stories just to make sure they'll not pay the gamblers and that's their advantage in this game since we choose to play anonymously.

In the end, it depends on how gambling website managers gonna decide depending on the case. It is completely unfair for the user but he has no choice except for waiting for deposit back. Anoyonyt has a price, such risks are there no matter we like it or not.

What if the terms will be; "If violated our terms, all balance will be forfeited" then who has to blame there? Can we still apply the point that gambling sites should return the deposit?

I understand it's unfair but since we are all lazy to read the Terms of Service, there's no way they will grant our request to have our deposit money back. Like the famous sayings, ignorance of the law excuses no one.

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Quote from: stadus on November 06, 2021, 04:40:36 PM

Quote from: seleme on November 06, 2021, 04:26:45 PM

Even if the team decided to verify the owner of the account, the user can easily refuse to do so and ask for the deposit back if there is such a term on the user agreement. Just my 2 cents.

The user can do that and there's no choice for the gambling site but to return the deposit, however, isn't it unfair for the gamblers that he could not take his win because his account got flagged for suspicious activities just because he cannot comply with the KYC? I mean, they can fabricate stories just to make sure they'll not pay the gamblers and that's their advantage in this game since we choose to play anonymously.

In the end, it depends on how gambling website managers gonna decide depending on the case. It is completely unfair for the user but he has no choice except for waiting for deposit back. Anoyonyt has a price, such risks are there no matter we like it or not. Maybe the scama accusation or writing negative reviews on gambling review platforms can accelerate the process but the scammers will never send the deposits back if they wanna to do so. We have seen such cases and know what is the final note for gamblers by sports bookie management.

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Quote from: mindrust on November 07, 2021, 12:34:20 PM

The casino may ask for casino alright but if they decide to seize the user money, that would be theft. Some casinos afraid of bad publicity so they give the user funds back but some others don't really care. Luckily, the casino that run ad campaigns here mostly give the user funds back.

Case-to-case basis. That's why right at the start, gamblers should just use a site that's already reputable and long in the business. Not an assurance that most users will have a smooth transaction as always on that site but at least, we are sure the platform won't do some shitty things regarding the user's deposit money in case got detected using a VPN or any terms that were violated.

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Quote from: btc78 on November 06, 2021, 07:13:51 AM

Even How those sportsbook mean that they are not requiring KYC as mandatory , but in the end? they may use this KYC to questioned specially those who are winning huge amount as their Terms mostly mentioned this that in any cases that the activity of the gambler is malicious then they will require KYC .
this means one thing that no matter how we wanted to get rid of KYC yet this will come sometimes .

That's not fair and it's a wrong practice, I heard some of that issues on some sportsbooks but the sportsbook I trust, don't require that KYC even if you win big. If they will promote anonymous gambling, then it's a violation of our rights if they'll suddenly require a KYC, it's not within the rules anymore but it's their effort to scam gamblers.

Didn't you notice that almost all sites has a term that they reserve the right to ask you KYC?
Even if you are playing in anonymous gambling site, this term does exist for a reason.
One thing you should aware, KYC is becoming a common thing lately so you should be ready if KYC will be a mandatory thing in all online services in the upcoming years.

Asking for KYC is one thing, refusing to give the deposits back is another.

The casino may ask for casino alright but if they decide to seize the user money, that would be theft. Some casinos afraid of bad publicity so they give the user funds back but some others don't really care. Luckily, the casino that run ad campaigns here mostly give the user funds back.

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