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So the question of the OP is not to be taken to have a defined answer as it depends on circumstances. Even if we say, the casino is not asking KYC, but if in case you violate their ToS or you are guilty of some suspicious activities, definitely, they may ask you to submit KYC. Or if they see that you may be guilty of possible money laundering, even if from your end you are not, they have the privilege to ask KYC as from their end, you may be guilty of that conduct. In this case, we can't say never because we don't know what other circumstances you will face while you are playing in the casino. But it is advisable to play on reputable casinos here so you can easily ask for help if you need one.

So, in the end, KYC will be asked for their members, especially for those who are doing suspicious activities, because the casino wants to make sure that their members will not do something that can break their rules. It is how about we can be responsible for our account and not make them ask for the KYC. Playing on reputable casinos will always be recommended for every gambler but we should care for ourselves and not try to make a problem.

If the withdrawal amount is not too big, the casino will let the process and not ask about the KYC. It will be different if members want to withdraw big money because the casino can ask for KYC.

Unfortunately this is the case, we must remember that casinos still have to deal with the fiat system and sell their coins to pay for their operations, and even as adoption keeps growing and it comes to a point in which they can pay everything with bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies at the same time casino licenses are given by the governments and this means they have to abide by their rules, of which KYC is one of the main ones that they will always try to force cryptocurrency casinos to enforce if necessary.

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Actually what is too much? can you name a range of amounts?

I'm gambling using stake too but I never get required to do a KYC, maybe I don't win that much, last time I remember, I won like $200 in a single bet and everything went through from grading the bet to withdrawing the amount from the site, no KYC or checkpoint, whatsover.

Highly likely at the thousands of dollar amounts range, not too sure about the exact amount, though. To be honest, I believe for a huge casino platform such as stake.com, they wouldn't perform KYC requirements to its users who play at hundreds of dollar range for each session.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on November 02, 2021, 08:39:49 PM

Since you are putting emphasis on NEVER, I'm afraid there is none. No sportsbook could guarantee you one hundred percent that they will never require KYC from you no matter what. There are so many sportsbooks that do not require KYC upon opening of account, betting, deposit and withdrawal, etc. But it still does not mean that you will never be required KYC ever. There might come a time when suspicious activities are detected in your account. Or you might eventually be transacting huge amounts in your account. These are reasons for possible KYC request.

That's correct so I can't understand why others are mentioning some sportsbook where they didn't know what will happen next. Like in Stake.com. Some mentioned it here but just last week, I need to fill up my personal information before I can withdraw although no need to submit any documents. I don't know but maybe I'm using VPN access which is not prohibited in Stake.

Other sportsbook sites might request KYC in the future. We should expect it soon.

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From my experience the interconnection between your activity and KYC is very simple: If you're winning, they ask you to prove yourself. If you're losing, you can play without KYC for a very long time (maybe even endlessly).

So yeah, for succesfull players there no such thing as "Sportbook without KYC"

Yet i can wage in stake without verifying if i am not looking for any freebies from them.

And how much did you win? As i understand you're talking about Stake.io ? I think you're not winning too much to be forced to verify your identity
And a little addition: If you have business with fiat, you will be forced to do KYC early or lately.

Actually what is too much? can you name a range of amounts?

I'm gambling using stake too but I never get required to do a KYC, maybe I don't win that much, last time I remember, I won like $200 in a single bet and everything went through from grading the bet to withdrawing the amount from the site, no KYC or checkpoint, whatsover.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 29, 2021, 04:30:43 PM

Quote from: johhnyUA on October 29, 2021, 12:47:14 PM

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From my experience the interconnection between your activity and KYC is very simple: If you're winning, they ask you to prove yourself. If you're losing, you can play without KYC for a very long time (maybe even endlessly).

So yeah, for succesfull players there no such thing as "Sportbook without KYC"

Yet i can wage in stake without verifying if i am not looking for any freebies from them.

And how much did you win? As i understand you're talking about Stake.io ? I think you're not winning too much to be forced to verify your identity
And a little addition: If you have business with fiat, you will be forced to do KYC early or lately.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on November 02, 2021, 08:39:49 PM

Since you are putting emphasis on NEVER, I'm afraid there is none. No sportsbook could guarantee you one hundred percent that they will never require KYC from you no matter what. There are so many sportsbooks that do not require KYC upon opening of account, betting, deposit and withdrawal, etc. But it still does not mean that you will never be required KYC ever. There might come a time when suspicious activities are detected in your account. Or you might eventually be transacting huge amounts in your account. These are reasons for possible KYC request.

It is clear in almost every gambling site that their Terms of Service tells no KYC requirement but in the back of it they also indicated that if you played questionable way so in the end the Site can obliged us sending them our KYC so what does this mean? we as gambler are subjective that requirement in some way or another.

Have you read almost every gambling site's Terms of Service? Because you were saying that it is clear in almost every gambling site that their Terms of Service tells no KYC requirement. Me, I haven't read a lot of Terms of Service of gambling sites but I am sure that even those non-KYC gambling sites are clearly indicating in their Terms of Service that there are instances in which KYC may be required. So that's why I am saying that it is never a guarantee that since a gambling site is non-KYC, it will never be requesting a player for KYC. After all they are operating within the bounds of the law as duly regulated business.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on November 02, 2021, 08:39:49 PM

Since you are putting emphasis on NEVER, I'm afraid there is none. No sportsbook could guarantee you one hundred percent that they will never require KYC from you no matter what. There are so many sportsbooks that do not require KYC upon opening of account, betting, deposit and withdrawal, etc. But it still does not mean that you will never be required KYC ever. There might come a time when suspicious activities are detected in your account. Or you might eventually be transacting huge amounts in your account. These are reasons for possible KYC request.

It is clear in almost every gambling site that their Terms of Service tells no KYC requirement but in the back of it they also indicated that if you played questionable way so in the end the Site can obliged us sending them our KYC so what does this mean? we as gambler are subjective that requirement in some way or another.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on November 02, 2021, 08:39:49 PM

Since you are putting emphasis on NEVER, I'm afraid there is none. No sportsbook could guarantee you one hundred percent that they will never require KYC from you no matter what. There are so many sportsbooks that do not require KYC upon opening of account, betting, deposit and withdrawal, etc. But it still does not mean that you will never be required KYC ever. There might come a time when suspicious activities are detected in your account. Or you might eventually be transacting huge amounts in your account. These are reasons for possible KYC request.

Sportsbook should at least make it transparent which users can read in the TOS before signing up, it's not fair if they promote "no KYC gambling" but later they'll use it to block huge withdrawal. I know some casinos who are doing that and they have a bad reputation now, so hopefully the casinos that are popular in the market will not use the KYC requirement to steal the winnings of the gamblers.

There probably be certain phrases even in the TOS of non-KYC casinos about possibly requiring users to submit personal information. Remember that casinos are considered questionable sources of funds. It is prone to money laundering. So any centralized casino that is licensed and regulated will have to abide by the law. If a law enforcement authority is making an investigation, casinos simply cannot resist by saying they won't require their users to submit KYC because they are a non-KYC casino.

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Quote from: timerland on October 30, 2021, 09:37:06 PM

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So the question of the OP is not to be taken to have a defined answer as it depends on circumstances. Even if we say, the casino is not asking KYC, but if in case you violate their ToS or you are guilty of some suspicious activities, definitely, they may ask you to submit KYC. Or if they see that you may be guilty of possible money laundering, even if from your end you are not, they have the privilege to ask KYC as from their end, you may be guilty of that conduct. In this case, we can't say never because we don't know what other circumstances you will face while you are playing in the casino. But it is advisable to play on reputable casinos here so you can easily ask for help if you need one.

Once we do check out that tick box in terms and conditions then it is automatically signifies that you had accepted their terms which as a user you are fully aware on what and on how things been working around.

They do have the full rights on asking everything and its just common sense that you should stick on reputable or known site at least if you dont
like any headaches when problem do occurs.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on November 02, 2021, 08:39:49 PM

Since you are putting emphasis on NEVER, I'm afraid there is none. No sportsbook could guarantee you one hundred percent that they will never require KYC from you no matter what. There are so many sportsbooks that do not require KYC upon opening of account, betting, deposit and withdrawal, etc. But it still does not mean that you will never be required KYC ever. There might come a time when suspicious activities are detected in your account. Or you might eventually be transacting huge amounts in your account. These are reasons for possible KYC request.

Sportsbook should at least make it transparent which users can read in the TOS before signing up, it's not fair if they promote "no KYC gambling" but later they'll use it to block huge withdrawal. I know some casinos who are doing that and they have a bad reputation now, so hopefully the casinos that are popular in the market will not use the KYC requirement to steal the winnings of the gamblers.

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Since you are putting emphasis on NEVER, I'm afraid there is none. No sportsbook could guarantee you one hundred percent that they will never require KYC from you no matter what. There are so many sportsbooks that do not require KYC upon opening of account, betting, deposit and withdrawal, etc. But it still does not mean that you will never be required KYC ever. There might come a time when suspicious activities are detected in your account. Or you might eventually be transacting huge amounts in your account. These are reasons for possible KYC request.

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Quote from: 24Kt on November 02, 2021, 06:58:25 PM

So the question of the OP is not to be taken to have a defined answer as it depends on circumstances. Even if we say, the casino is not asking KYC, but if in case you violate their ToS or you are guilty of some suspicious activities, definitely, they may ask you to submit KYC. Or if they see that you may be guilty of possible money laundering, even if from your end you are not, they have the privilege to ask KYC as from their end, you may be guilty of that conduct. In this case, we can't say never because we don't know what other circumstances you will face while you are playing in the casino. But it is advisable to play on reputable casinos here so you can easily ask for help if you need one.

So, in the end, KYC will be asked for their members, especially for those who are doing suspicious activities, because the casino wants to make sure that their members will not do something that can break their rules. It is how about we can be responsible for our account and not make them ask for the KYC. Playing on reputable casinos will always be recommended for every gambler but we should care for ourselves and not try to make a problem.

If the withdrawal amount is not too big, the casino will let the process and not ask about the KYC. It will be different if members want to withdraw big money because the casino can ask for KYC.

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Quote from: Hamphser on November 02, 2021, 06:34:57 PM

Quote from: Silberman on November 02, 2021, 06:21:42 PM

Quote from: timerland on October 30, 2021, 09:37:06 PM

Quote from: crzy on October 30, 2021, 04:53:19 PM

No KYC only works for small gamblers I guess because there’s a restrictions and guidelines that you need to understand and if you put big money on that casinos without having any history of playing that could be alarming also you can’t withdraw it easily that will be the start of investigation so understand the consequences if you’re planning to put big money and don’t want to give any personal information to the gambling site. Stakes and other sportsbook have the same rules, KYC can still be asked.

Exactly.

People have to realize that just because it hasn't been done in the past, doesn't mean that KYC can't be used in the future according to the existing T&Cs on the company.

And no company will ever leave themselves exposed by having a clause in the T&Cs explicitly saying that there will be no KYC policy regardless of regulatory pressure. Even the reputable ones like Stake.

And even if a casino went as far as stating on their TOS that they are not going to ask for KYC if the casino becomes big enough they are going to be pressured by the authorities to change their policies and this will eventually be reflected on their TOS, then they will send you an email stating that by keeping your account and still gamble at the casino you are accepting their new terms which means they can hit you with KYC at any time they want, so unfortunately the dream of the OP of a casino with no KYC no matter the circumstances is simply not possible.

Everything becomes big will really make out some noise which would really result into sudden changes whenever the government take involvement but for now most gambling sports book doesnt require KYC

other than those fiat typical bookies but for crypto sportsbook then they arent asking everything but as mentioned whenever they do see some violation of tos then thats the time for them to ask out some

identity verification which you wouldnt have any choice because you had checked off the user agreement when you do register.

So the question of the OP is not to be taken to have a defined answer as it depends on circumstances. Even if we say, the casino is not asking KYC, but if in case you violate their ToS or you are guilty of some suspicious activities, definitely, they may ask you to submit KYC. Or if they see that you may be guilty of possible money laundering, even if from your end you are not, they have the privilege to ask KYC as from their end, you may be guilty of that conduct. In this case, we can't say never because we don't know what other circumstances you will face while you are playing in the casino. But it is advisable to play on reputable casinos here so you can easily ask for help if you need one.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 02, 2021, 06:21:42 PM

Quote from: timerland on October 30, 2021, 09:37:06 PM

Quote from: crzy on October 30, 2021, 04:53:19 PM

No KYC only works for small gamblers I guess because there’s a restrictions and guidelines that you need to understand and if you put big money on that casinos without having any history of playing that could be alarming also you can’t withdraw it easily that will be the start of investigation so understand the consequences if you’re planning to put big money and don’t want to give any personal information to the gambling site. Stakes and other sportsbook have the same rules, KYC can still be asked.

Exactly.

People have to realize that just because it hasn't been done in the past, doesn't mean that KYC can't be used in the future according to the existing T&Cs on the company.

And no company will ever leave themselves exposed by having a clause in the T&Cs explicitly saying that there will be no KYC policy regardless of regulatory pressure. Even the reputable ones like Stake.

And even if a casino went as far as stating on their TOS that they are not going to ask for KYC if the casino becomes big enough they are going to be pressured by the authorities to change their policies and this will eventually be reflected on their TOS, then they will send you an email stating that by keeping your account and still gamble at the casino you are accepting their new terms which means they can hit you with KYC at any time they want, so unfortunately the dream of the OP of a casino with no KYC no matter the circumstances is simply not possible.

Everything becomes big will really make out some noise which would really result into sudden changes whenever the government take involvement but for now most gambling sports book doesnt require KYC

other than those fiat typical bookies but for crypto sportsbook then they arent asking everything but as mentioned whenever they do see some violation of tos then thats the time for them to ask out some

identity verification which you wouldnt have any choice because you had checked off the user agreement when you do register.

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Quote from: timerland on October 30, 2021, 09:37:06 PM

Quote from: crzy on October 30, 2021, 04:53:19 PM

No KYC only works for small gamblers I guess because there’s a restrictions and guidelines that you need to understand and if you put big money on that casinos without having any history of playing that could be alarming also you can’t withdraw it easily that will be the start of investigation so understand the consequences if you’re planning to put big money and don’t want to give any personal information to the gambling site. Stakes and other sportsbook have the same rules, KYC can still be asked.

Exactly.

People have to realize that just because it hasn't been done in the past, doesn't mean that KYC can't be used in the future according to the existing T&Cs on the company.

And no company will ever leave themselves exposed by having a clause in the T&Cs explicitly saying that there will be no KYC policy regardless of regulatory pressure. Even the reputable ones like Stake.

And even if a casino went as far as stating on their TOS that they are not going to ask for KYC if the casino becomes big enough they are going to be pressured by the authorities to change their policies and this will eventually be reflected on their TOS, then they will send you an email stating that by keeping your account and still gamble at the casino you are accepting their new terms which means they can hit you with KYC at any time they want, so unfortunately the dream of the OP of a casino with no KYC no matter the circumstances is simply not possible.

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well I do betting in sportsbet.io since many years and it has never asked any kyc documents . I made many successful deposits and withdrawals on this site, both using cryptos as well as my fiat currency , no problem happened what so ever, so I would recommend you to try this site if you are looking for a no kyc sportsbook.

Glad to see even though you are promoting a scam via your signature, at least you are recommending the trusted ones

. And yeah I agree that I have never been asked for documents from any sportsbook either apart from the documents some ask as a mandatory rule, but that has nothing to do with sports betting specifically.

You may try bitsler, stake, sportsbet and even wolf bet nowadays as they have added sportsbook and none of them ask for KYC from what I know.

I thought if you are dealing with your fiat currency, usually casino will ask KYC.
Just learned that sportsbet is not asking KYC even if you are dealing with fiat.
But I think, everyone should check the ToS every once in a while because they may change their protocols.
As they may adopt some changes owed to changing government regulations towards online casinos.

Not that every time users have to check Terms of Service but make it a habit.

If there's a possible change like KYC is now a requirement, I'm sure that sports betting sites will give notifications to their users.

For new users, that should now be placed on the registration page for awareness.

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What are some sportbooks that will NEVER ask for KYC

Stake are the best options for me but seriously, there’s no such thing NEVER because those gambling site might require you to fill up KYC especially if your account is suspicious, better to read the Terms of service first so you can be more aware about the rules and prevent any suspicious transactions later on.

I have to agree with you. Stake does have a feature now of submitting personal information although not mandatory. The same goes for other top sportsbooks here in which there's a chance that someday they will require a mandatory KYC too. These sites have no choice after all. They know that gamblers don't like KYC so why they will add it? But because, they are forced to do it, in the near future, we have to comply.

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Quote from: Johnyz on October 30, 2021, 04:11:50 PM

Quote from: manbitcoinlover on October 24, 2021, 02:25:15 PM

What are some sportbooks that will NEVER ask for KYC

Stake are the best options for me but seriously, there’s no such thing NEVER because those gambling site might require you to fill up KYC especially if your account is suspicious, better to read the Terms of service first so you can be more aware about the rules and prevent any suspicious transactions later on.

Stake is an average bookie and so much slippery, cashout availability problems, etc. I have seen so many cases about the sudden KYC requirement by the Stake team and they refuse to pay if the user doesn't want to pass KYC. So I doubt the OP will be interested to bet on Stake, there are better alternatives if the criteria is KYC-free sports bookies.

The question is not about KYC-free sports bookies but the assurance that sports betting websites will not ask for KYC in the future.

All crypto-bettings sites have a chance to break their terms about no-KYC in the future that's why instead of suggesting to OP some crypto-sites, better give advice that be ready when KYC will be asked.

Even the most popular and reputable sports betting sites can't give an assurance that they will keep their no-KYC policy for long.

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Quote from: Johnyz on October 30, 2021, 04:11:50 PM

Quote from: manbitcoinlover on October 24, 2021, 02:25:15 PM

What are some sportbooks that will NEVER ask for KYC

Stake are the best options for me but seriously, there’s no such thing NEVER because those gambling site might require you to fill up KYC especially if your account is suspicious, better to read the Terms of service first so you can be more aware about the rules and prevent any suspicious transactions later on.

Stake is an average bookie and so much slippery, cashout availability problems, etc. I have seen so many cases about the sudden KYC requirement by the Stake team and they refuse to pay if the user doesn't want to pass KYC. So I doubt the OP will be interested to bet on Stake, there are better alternatives if the criteria is KYC-free sports bookies.

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Quote from: Alisha-k on October 30, 2021, 06:11:36 PM

KYC's are needed specifically when huge money is deposited in the wallet and needs confirmation of identity when cashing out payments or retrieving funds from the accounts and these is not done officially by every site as you said though

The bad part is that some casinos only enforce KYC once their player starts to request for a withdraw and not the other way around.

That's true, and it's really unfair because if they are honest with their service, they should have required KYC from the very beginning. I read some of the cases in scam accusation board on some gamblers unable to withdraw their money as they are suspected of cheating, and as part of the requirement, they are forced to submit documents proving they are the person, I think the essence of anonymous betting is gone and they are used to cheat the bettors.

It is actually a bad part. It is just most casino are being regulated by their own government and supports the fight on money laundering. Though the essence of being anonymous in cryptocurrenct when it comes to gambling is gone, it still helps to identify which account is laundering money and which are not. Some casinos though abuse this KYC implementation for them to snatch money from their own users. That's the bad part of it.

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