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Quote from: KTChampions on November 07, 2021, 09:39:40 AM

Quote from: panjul07 on November 07, 2021, 07:39:53 AM

Didn't you notice that almost all sites has a term that they reserve the right to ask you KYC?
Even if you are playing in anonymous gambling site, this term does exist for a reason.
One thing you should aware, KYC is becoming a common thing lately so you should be ready if KYC will be a mandatory thing in all online services in the upcoming years.

The meaning of this option is clear: no site wants to receive money from a stolen credit card and subsequently face charges of laundering the stolen funds. The problem is that most casinos/bookmakers use this option only to delay/or completely cancel payments to players who have been successful.

Well said!

Generally, if the KYC stuff was meant to protects players' funds, it would be a different story. But all too often it goes without any reason or rationality that you find yourself in an ugly position with a bookie. Sometimes they don't even accept official documents. It's ridiculous, and the reason usually is NOT to protect players' funds, but to delay and delay.

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Quote from: panjul07 on November 07, 2021, 07:39:53 AM

Didn't you notice that almost all sites has a term that they reserve the right to ask you KYC?
Even if you are playing in anonymous gambling site, this term does exist for a reason.
One thing you should aware, KYC is becoming a common thing lately so you should be ready if KYC will be a mandatory thing in all online services in the upcoming years.

The meaning of this option is clear: no site wants to receive money from a stolen credit card and subsequently face charges of laundering the stolen funds. The problem is that most casinos/bookmakers use this option only to delay/or completely cancel payments to players who have been successful.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on November 06, 2021, 07:22:43 AM

Quote from: btc78 on November 06, 2021, 06:13:51 AM

Even How those sportsbook mean that they are not requiring KYC as mandatory , but in the end? they may use this KYC to questioned specially those who are winning huge amount as their Terms mostly mentioned this that in any cases that the activity of the gambler is malicious then they will require KYC .
this means one thing that no matter how we wanted to get rid of KYC yet this will come sometimes .

That's not fair and it's a wrong practice, I heard some of that issues on some sportsbooks but the sportsbook I trust, don't require that KYC even if you win big. If they will promote anonymous gambling, then it's a violation of our rights if they'll suddenly require a KYC, it's not within the rules anymore but it's their effort to scam gamblers.

Didn't you notice that almost all sites has a term that they reserve the right to ask you KYC?
Even if you are playing in anonymous gambling site, this term does exist for a reason.
One thing you should aware, KYC is becoming a common thing lately so you should be ready if KYC will be a mandatory thing in all online services in the upcoming years.

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Quote from: stadus on November 06, 2021, 03:40:36 PM

The user can do that and there's no choice for the gambling site but to return the deposit, however, isn't it unfair for the gamblers that he could not take his win because his account got flagged for suspicious activities just because he cannot comply with the KYC? I mean, they can fabricate stories just to make sure they'll not pay the gamblers and that's their advantage in this game since we choose to play anonymously.

That will now end up in a public trial to somehow pressure the site. If the site is reputable and has a large community especially here in the forum, there's a chance they won't do that kind of shitty response and treatment to their customers.

I hope so that's not always the case and everything will be settled properly between the site and users.

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Quote from: seleme on November 06, 2021, 03:26:45 PM

Even if the team decided to verify the owner of the account, the user can easily refuse to do so and ask for the deposit back if there is such a term on the user agreement. Just my 2 cents.

The user can do that and there's no choice for the gambling site but to return the deposit, however, isn't it unfair for the gamblers that he could not take his win because his account got flagged for suspicious activities just because he cannot comply with the KYC? I mean, they can fabricate stories just to make sure they'll not pay the gamblers and that's their advantage in this game since we choose to play anonymously.

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What are some sportbooks that will NEVER ask for KYC

Stake are the best options for me but seriously, there’s no such thing NEVER because those gambling site might require you to fill up KYC especially if your account is suspicious, better to read the Terms of service first so you can be more aware about the rules and prevent any suspicious transactions later on.

Stake is an average bookie and so much slippery, cashout availability problems, etc. I have seen so many cases about the sudden KYC requirement by the Stake team and they refuse to pay if the user doesn't want to pass KYC. So I doubt the OP will be interested to bet on Stake, there are better alternatives if the criteria is KYC-free sports bookies.

The question is not about KYC-free sports bookies but the assurance that sports betting websites will not ask for KYC in the future.

All crypto-bettings sites have a chance to break their terms about no-KYC in the future that's why instead of suggesting to OP some crypto-sites, better give advice that be ready when KYC will be asked.

Even the most popular and reputable sports betting sites can't give an assurance that they will keep their no-KYC policy for long.

The problem is he is not ready to get such an absolute requirement filled up email from the support team of no-KYC sports bookies. Even if the team decided to verify the owner of the account, the user can easily refuse to do so and ask for the deposit back if there is such a term on the user agreement. The risks are there and it is the complete responsibility of the gambler to understand the risks he/she takes. Otherwise, easy money for the gambling platform with useless promises. Just my 2 cents.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2021, 06:54:18 PM

Quote from: AhmadM on November 05, 2021, 06:12:35 PM

To be honest, I believe for a huge casino platform such as stake.com, they wouldn't perform KYC requirements to its users who play at hundreds of dollar range for each session.

Some users reported that there is the personal information needed before anything else. It means slowly but surely, we can now expect that KYC will be implemented at most casinos not just on Stake.

Regardless, I'm prepared for anything. If there's no choice but to comply, what we can do about it.

I will only pass KYC on reputable casinos.

You can certainly do something about it.

And that is simply switching to a casino that has a better track record for supporting anonymity instead of focusing on Stake or any other platform.

You're completely right in the regard that KYC is going to be on the rise overall in the next few years as crypto goes mainstream. But it's up to us the consumers to suppress that.

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Quote from: madnessteat on November 06, 2021, 09:55:28 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on November 06, 2021, 07:22:43 AM

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By registering with Sportbooks, you accept the agreement, which can often be amended without your consent, or it says that if the user is suspected of illegal activities, his account can be blocked until the circumstances are clarified. These circumstances mean that you must confirm your identity and prove the origin of funds. Keep this in mind and don't keep large sums at the gambling sites.

^ Definitely right and totally agree with you, this is very common of each sportsbook and this agreement we should be aware in the first place before putting our money and this will be found on this TOS which is very crucial to us as gamblers. Most likely the NO KYC for now was slowly faded, as we can see the most sportsbook are now implemented KYC as an amended by the government. It is too hard to find a non KYC and if there is, their reputation is not strong enough to pick as a good sportsbook gambling casino.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2021, 06:54:18 PM

Quote from: AhmadM on November 05, 2021, 06:12:35 PM

To be honest, I believe for a huge casino platform such as stake.com, they wouldn't perform KYC requirements to its users who play at hundreds of dollar range for each session.

Some users reported that there is the personal information needed before anything else. It means slowly but surely, we can now expect that KYC will be implemented at most casinos not just on Stake.

Perhaps those users are high rollers? Thats why the casino asked for some personal information to those users in the first place. As a small gambler like me who play with tens of dollar as starting balances, I have never faced such kind of thing.

Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2021, 06:54:18 PM

Regardless, I'm prepared for anything. If there's no choice but to comply, what we can do about it.

I will only pass KYC on reputable casinos.

Like it or not, if we want to keep playing there we have to do it.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on November 06, 2021, 07:22:43 AM

Quote from: btc78 on November 06, 2021, 06:13:51 AM

Even How those sportsbook mean that they are not requiring KYC as mandatory , but in the end? they may use this KYC to questioned specially those who are winning huge amount as their Terms mostly mentioned this that in any cases that the activity of the gambler is malicious then they will require KYC .
this means one thing that no matter how we wanted to get rid of KYC yet this will come sometimes .

That's not fair and it's a wrong practice, I heard some of that issues on some sportsbooks but the sportsbook I trust, don't require that KYC even if you win big. If they will promote anonymous gambling, then it's a violation of our rights if they'll suddenly require a KYC, it's not within the rules anymore but it's their effort to scam gamblers.

If it's a wrong practice then there will be no sportsbook that will do. I agree to madness that in the beginning, upon your registration you've agreed to the terms and rules that they have. Despite not reading you, you've agreed whatever was written there and the KYC thing is part of it.
They can ask it whenever they want and if there's a trigger calling for them because of a very suspicious activity caught into your account.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on November 06, 2021, 07:22:43 AM

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By registering with Sportbooks, you accept the agreement, which can often be amended without your consent, or it says that if the user is suspected of illegal activities, his account can be blocked until the circumstances are clarified. These circumstances mean that you must confirm your identity and prove the origin of funds. Keep this in mind and don't keep large sums at the gambling sites.

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Quote from: btc78 on November 06, 2021, 06:13:51 AM

Even How those sportsbook mean that they are not requiring KYC as mandatory , but in the end? they may use this KYC to questioned specially those who are winning huge amount as their Terms mostly mentioned this that in any cases that the activity of the gambler is malicious then they will require KYC .
this means one thing that no matter how we wanted to get rid of KYC yet this will come sometimes .

That's not fair and it's a wrong practice, I heard some of that issues on some sportsbooks but the sportsbook I trust, don't require that KYC even if you win big. If they will promote anonymous gambling, then it's a violation of our rights if they'll suddenly require a KYC, it's not within the rules anymore but it's their effort to scam gamblers.

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Even How those sportsbook mean that they are not requiring KYC as mandatory , but in the end? they may use this KYC to questioned specially those who are winning huge amount as their Terms mostly mentioned this that in any cases that the activity of the gambler is malicious then they will require KYC .
this means one thing that no matter how we wanted to get rid of KYC yet this will come sometimes .

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Quote from: manbitcoinlover on October 24, 2021, 02:25:15 PM

What are some sportbooks that will NEVER ask for KYC

There are bookies that will never ask you KYC and they are the one that has a high chance that will scam you. But there are some reputable and licensed gambling site where most of the time they don't ask KYC not unless you there are some unnecessary behavior that is going on with your account or you win a big amount of money. Some of them may ask KYC for security and to comply with their AML policy.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on November 05, 2021, 11:55:06 PM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on November 02, 2021, 08:39:49 PM

Since you are putting emphasis on NEVER, I'm afraid there is none.

There are still some gambling sites that require no verification other than email, some will also require for name and addresses which can be all fake and crypto based, the gambling crypto sites that require just crypto cryptocurrencies for payment make this more possible. Also if kyc is not up to the level of identification documents, should we regard just those email verification as kyc.

The user is talking about the possible case in the future. For now, yes, there are still lots of gambling sites that require no KYC verification.

However, there's no assurance that someday, we will have the same setup. That's why there is no accurate answer to OP's question as we don't know the gambling site's plan in the future regarding KYC terms. If they will be hit up by hard regulations, then it's likely it will be passed to their users and KYC is one of the mandatory and necessary requirements that might be asked.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on November 05, 2021, 11:55:06 PM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on November 02, 2021, 08:39:49 PM

There might come a time when suspicious activities are detected in your account. Or you might eventually be transacting huge amounts in your account.

Suspicious activities, this had never happened to me before, I do not think such can also happen to me because I have only one account opened per one gambling sites and I am also mindful of the source of my deposit.

Lucky you but we never know how other people can create another account and use their referral to get more bonuses. That could be suspicious activities for the casino and the casino will investigate to know the truth. If they see that you have another account, they can easily ban your account and you will prohibit playing on their site. It is better to search for No KYC gambling sites, not just for sportsbooks, to avoid sending our documents to them.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on November 02, 2021, 08:39:49 PM

Since you are putting emphasis on NEVER, I'm afraid there is none.

There are still some gambling sites that require no verification other than email, some will also require for name and addresses which can be all fake and crypto based, the gambling crypto sites that require just crypto cryptocurrencies for payment make this more possible. Also if kyc is not up to the level of identification documents, should we regard just those email verification as kyc.

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on November 02, 2021, 08:39:49 PM

There are so many sportsbooks that do not require KYC upon opening of account, betting, deposit and withdrawal, etc. But it still does not mean that you will never be required KYC ever.

There are many of the gambling sites that requires not verification, there are still that I have been using for years now and no verification needed. Also on fiat based ones, ID verification is compulsory, but all fiat betting sites I have used in my country yet have not requested for ID verification, but I know they can get a lot of information from the master card I used for payment.

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on November 02, 2021, 08:39:49 PM

There might come a time when suspicious activities are detected in your account. Or you might eventually be transacting huge amounts in your account.

Suspicious activities, this had never happened to me before, I do not think such can also happen to me because I have only one account opened per one gambling sites and I am also mindful of the source of my deposit.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on November 05, 2021, 06:58:20 PM

At some point, these casinos will apply KYC if they see that there's necessity of the situation.
For example, if the player is gearing towards violating one of their terms or they are suspecting something unusual to the account.
But if you know for sure, you are abiding all the terms, and not a high roller, I don't think submitting KYC will be your problem here.
But take note that if you win big, prepare your docs because the casino may find a way how to hold your funds.

As expected especially for those users who are using constantly VPN to connect. There are sites that allow the use of VPN however if the account was detected thru a different region it might trigger the site's alarm.

For big wins, it's already common and usual to see that some sites are asking for personal documents before claiming these big winnings. For that particular reason, I will not hesitate to provide my own documents. It's sure money in return after all if the process will go smoothly.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2021, 06:54:18 PM

Quote from: AhmadM on November 05, 2021, 06:12:35 PM

To be honest, I believe for a huge casino platform such as stake.com, they wouldn't perform KYC requirements to its users who play at hundreds of dollar range for each session.

Some users reported that there is the personal information needed before anything else. It means slowly but surely, we can now expect that KYC will be implemented at most casinos not just on Stake.

Regardless, I'm prepared for anything. If there's no choice but to comply, what we can do about it.

I will only pass KYC on reputable casinos.

At some point, these casinos will apply KYC if they see that there's necessity of the situation.
For example, if the player is gearing towards violating one of their terms or they are suspecting something unusual to the account.
But if you know for sure, you are abiding all the terms, and not a high roller, I don't think submitting KYC will be your problem here.
But take note that if you win big, prepare your docs because the casino may find a way how to hold your funds.

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Quote from: AhmadM on November 05, 2021, 06:12:35 PM

To be honest, I believe for a huge casino platform such as stake.com, they wouldn't perform KYC requirements to its users who play at hundreds of dollar range for each session.

Some users reported that there is the personal information needed before anything else. It means slowly but surely, we can now expect that KYC will be implemented at most casinos not just on Stake.

Regardless, I'm prepared for anything. If there's no choice but to comply, what we can do about it.

I will only pass KYC on reputable casinos.

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