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January 28, 2017, 06:46:15 PM
#48
Every 4 years, a US president leaves and lets a whole bunch of people out of jail by decree.  Obama let out FAR, FAR more than any other president.  Well over 1,500!  Guess who was not on the list?  That's right Ross Ulbricht of Bitcoin fame.  Since Trump isn't letting anyone out of jail unless they are his friends, Ulbricht doesn't stand a chance for another 8 years at least!  Probably 12 more years before even being considered.  That sucks.  Obama could have let him out.  One strike of the pen- he would be free.  It is over for him now.  Over. 

Where does this idea of Obama as saintly figure originate? He dropped twice as much bombs on the Middle East as Bush and there has not been a single day of peace since he became president, yet he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Is it because of his Black Skin?
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January 25, 2017, 01:36:16 AM
#47
Illegal drug cartels ARE $billions lost for the legal drug cartels... and sometimes the other way around, as well.

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Cocaine, LSD, meth.etc are not legal. So the legal drug cartels (big pharma) profits only when some of these drug users shift to alternatives such as Propylhexedrine, Oxymetazoline, Oxymorphone, Dextromethorphan, and Doxylamine.

And now we have legal pot, which has forms of inexpensive, really-good "medicine" within, that is working far better than the medical legal drugs, and is cutting into medical profits. Soon pot will be legal to the extent that it will be grown in the back yard of every home, for medicinal purposes. The medical drug cartel will die.

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Marijuana is a good painkiller. It is inexpensive and more effective. And moreover, it is having no significant adverse effects, when compared to other industrial painkillers such as Hydrocodone and Demerol. But other than that, it has no medicinal properties.
legendary
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January 24, 2017, 11:54:16 AM
#46
Illegal drug cartels ARE $billions lost for the legal drug cartels... and sometimes the other way around, as well.

Cool

Cocaine, LSD, meth.etc are not legal. So the legal drug cartels (big pharma) profits only when some of these drug users shift to alternatives such as Propylhexedrine, Oxymetazoline, Oxymorphone, Dextromethorphan, and Doxylamine.

And now we have legal pot, which has forms of inexpensive, really-good "medicine" within, that is working far better than the medical legal drugs, and is cutting into medical profits. Soon pot will be legal to the extent that it will be grown in the back yard of every home, for medicinal purposes. The medical drug cartel will die.

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legendary
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January 24, 2017, 06:57:33 AM
#45
Illegal drug cartels ARE $billions lost for the legal drug cartels... and sometimes the other way around, as well.

Cool

Cocaine, LSD, meth.etc are not legal. So the legal drug cartels (big pharma) profits only when some of these drug users shift to alternatives such as Propylhexedrine, Oxymetazoline, Oxymorphone, Dextromethorphan, and Doxylamine.
legendary
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January 23, 2017, 05:56:35 PM
#44
It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

You don't get it. Ross caused billions of USD in revenue loss to the drug cartels (and the banks which launder their money), and therefore he was sentenced to life without parole. On the other hand, child killers doesn't matter to the judges, as long as the victim comes from some broken family with no political connection.

From a russian troll to DEA agent in a matter of seconds.
We should trust his words and expertise regarding this topic.
Billions of $ lost for the drug cartels... Lol

Im still cringing on the ground Cheesy

Illegal drug cartels ARE $billions lost for the legal drug cartels... and sometimes the other way around, as well.

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January 23, 2017, 11:21:29 AM
#43
It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

You don't get it. Ross caused billions of USD in revenue loss to the drug cartels (and the banks which launder their money), and therefore he was sentenced to life without parole. On the other hand, child killers doesn't matter to the judges, as long as the victim comes from some broken family with no political connection.

From a russian troll to DEA agent in a matter of seconds.
We should trust his words and expertise regarding this topic.
Billions of $ lost for the drug cartels... Lol

Im still cringing on the ground Cheesy
legendary
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January 23, 2017, 06:18:32 AM
#42
It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

You don't get it. Ross caused billions of USD in revenue loss to the drug cartels (and the banks which launder their money), and therefore he was sentenced to life without parole. On the other hand, child killers doesn't matter to the judges, as long as the victim comes from some broken family with no political connection.
legendary
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January 22, 2017, 04:00:37 PM
#41
Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.
It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

I never really understood these types of sentences for someone who didn't actually end someone else's own life. You know, an eye for an eye type of thing.  Even if he actually was doing the actual dealing of drugs online, rather than hosting the site for other drug dealers to use, it doesn't really matter.  Jail, how I believe it should be, is a way to act as a way for "civilized revenge" to take place and a way to sort of rehabilitate people and make sure they won't want to do whatever crime it is they were committing in the first place. 

If Ross was actually dealing drugs... does it seem right to put him in their for life? Rather than let him serve a few years (which is a LONG LONG time in jail) in order to scare him not to do the same thing and allow him to live his life from that point on? Idk... the whole system is fucked anyways, so why not torture him by forcing him to live for 60 years in a cage.

The sentence was not meant to scare him. It was meant to scare everyone from using and dealing in the dark markets. The US government also has a knack for overkill. So of course a life sentence for him is very unfair. He is just an entrepreneur who saw a gap in the market and took that opportunity to start something new and brilliant. Do you think dark markets will go away soon? No it is growing into a multi billion dollar market.

On top of that, it shows how embedded medical criminality is in Government. Medical controlled Government is doing away with as much of the drug competition that it can.

The important thing about this for us is, since the medical uses drugs that are far worse than any that were marketed through Ross's Silk Road construct, those free market drugs must be really good and really cheap. Otherwise the medical would have instructed Government to let Ross off with only a slap on the wrist.

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legendary
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January 21, 2017, 10:20:09 PM
#40
Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.
It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

I never really understood these types of sentences for someone who didn't actually end someone else's own life. You know, an eye for an eye type of thing.  Even if he actually was doing the actual dealing of drugs online, rather than hosting the site for other drug dealers to use, it doesn't really matter.  Jail, how I believe it should be, is a way to act as a way for "civilized revenge" to take place and a way to sort of rehabilitate people and make sure they won't want to do whatever crime it is they were committing in the first place. 

If Ross was actually dealing drugs... does it seem right to put him in their for life? Rather than let him serve a few years (which is a LONG LONG time in jail) in order to scare him not to do the same thing and allow him to live his life from that point on? Idk... the whole system is fucked anyways, so why not torture him by forcing him to live for 60 years in a cage.

The sentence was not meant to scare him. It was meant to scare everyone from using and dealing in the dark markets. The US government also has a knack for overkill. So of course a life sentence for him is very unfair. He is just an entrepreneur who saw a gap in the market and took that opportunity to start something new and brilliant. Do you think dark markets will go away soon? No it is growing into a multi billion dollar market.
legendary
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January 21, 2017, 01:14:35 PM
#39
Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.
It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

I never really understood these types of sentences for someone who didn't actually end someone else's own life. You know, an eye for an eye type of thing.  Even if he actually was doing the actual dealing of drugs online, rather than hosting the site for other drug dealers to use, it doesn't really matter.  Jail, how I believe it should be, is a way to act as a way for "civilized revenge" to take place and a way to sort of rehabilitate people and make sure they won't want to do whatever crime it is they were committing in the first place. 

If Ross was actually dealing drugs... does it seem right to put him in their for life? Rather than let him serve a few years (which is a LONG LONG time in jail) in order to scare him not to do the same thing and allow him to live his life from that point on? Idk... the whole system is fucked anyways, so why not torture him by forcing him to live for 60 years in a cage.
legendary
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January 21, 2017, 12:38:34 PM
#38
He's a drug dealing criminal. Lock him up and throw away the keys!

If he was one, then there is no evidence to prove it. The FBI has never claimed that he personally dealt with drugs. He set up an online market place, which was used by a number of users, including a few drug dealers.

Silk road... few drug sellers.... Lol
I think that russian troll is prob an online drug dealer too. Or a braindead potuser Smiley
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January 21, 2017, 12:30:53 PM
#37
He's a drug dealing criminal. Lock him up and throw away the keys!

If he was one, then there is no evidence to prove it. The FBI has never claimed that he personally dealt with drugs. He set up an online market place, which was used by a number of users, including a few drug dealers.
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January 20, 2017, 11:30:53 PM
#36
He's a drug dealing criminal. Lock him up and throw away the keys!
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January 20, 2017, 11:22:40 PM
#35
Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.
It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.
If he was arrested in the middle East or Asia, it would be all executed. I am against the drug trade. He was arrested on charges proved and therefore, I do not mind it. And stick up for him addicts. Let him go to it!
Fortunately we do not live in the barbaric middle east, but if we're talking about that part of the world I heard the Afghans are particularly fond of their opium. If Ross were to live there there would be no "drug charges."
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January 20, 2017, 11:12:43 PM
#34
I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

Since you put it that way then I agree! Ross Ulbricht should not have gotten involved with their business. He is competing with one of the biggest, wealthiest and ruthless organizations in the world who are also backed by the the people of the United States of America. Ross should have thought twice before starting revolutionary market place for drugs.

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It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.

Most of them are probably owned by the CIA because it is good business.

Watch this first - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10. Then forget about a few of the movies you'll watch this month, and get some practical understanding of how American law works at its core. It's 5 hours, but it isn't boring - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.

Ross has a way out. Watch, so that if you are ever in trouble with Government, you will know what to do.

Cool

No need to watch a 5 hour video. I think I have the gist of how American law works for everyone. It does not work the same for the poor people like us and for the rich elite who have a leverage on the politicians or some of them are friends and can as favors. The whole system is unfairly made against the population so that they can be put under control. Try to think if there was no such system. We would see all the poor killing the rich.

Unfortunately, if you don't know that the people, collectively or individually, are stronger than the Government, you have been missing a lot.


Monty Python- The Annoying Peasant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA



Cool

Since when are we collectively united? When did we ever have become truly united against the elite and the people in power? Most of the revolutions that toppled governments in history are funded by the same people in the elite who are against the current people in power of their times. Maybe you have been missing a lot because you think you are free but you are nothing but a slave one way or another.
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January 20, 2017, 04:30:54 PM
#33
Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.
It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.
If he was arrested in the middle East or Asia, it would be all executed. I am against the drug trade. He was arrested on charges proved and therefore, I do not mind it. And stick up for him addicts. Let him go to it!
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January 20, 2017, 07:18:27 AM
#32
Every 4 years, a US president leaves and lets a whole bunch of people out of jail by decree.  Obama let out FAR, FAR more than any other president.  Well over 1,500!  Guess who was not on the list?  That's right Ross Ulbricht of Bitcoin fame.  Since Trump isn't letting anyone out of jail unless they are his friends, Ulbricht doesn't stand a chance for another 8 years at least!  Probably 12 more years before even being considered.  That sucks.  Obama could have let him out.  One strike of the pen- he would be free.  It is over for him now.  Over. 

No one is going to take the extreme risk of pardoning a convicted drug dealer. If they do that, it will be the end of their political career. Ross Ulbricht has been massively demonized in the mainstream media. Now it is impossible to obtain a pardon for him.

Exactly, Ross is a criminal drug lord and Manning was a political prisoner. BIG difference.

Both of them were political prisoners. Ross was not a drug lord. He didn't even handled drugs personally. His crime was that he set up a decentralized market, where people could buy and sell objects without paying a fee to PayPal and MasterCard.
legendary
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January 20, 2017, 05:42:08 AM
#31
I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

Since you put it that way then I agree! Ross Ulbricht should not have gotten involved with their business. He is competing with one of the biggest, wealthiest and ruthless organizations in the world who are also backed by the the people of the United States of America. Ross should have thought twice before starting revolutionary market place for drugs.

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It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.

Most of them are probably owned by the CIA because it is good business.

Watch this first - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10. Then forget about a few of the movies you'll watch this month, and get some practical understanding of how American law works at its core. It's 5 hours, but it isn't boring - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.

Ross has a way out. Watch, so that if you are ever in trouble with Government, you will know what to do.

Cool

No need to watch a 5 hour video. I think I have the gist of how American law works for everyone. It does not work the same for the poor people like us and for the rich elite who have a leverage on the politicians or some of them are friends and can as favors. The whole system is unfairly made against the population so that they can be put under control. Try to think if there was no such system. We would see all the poor killing the rich.

Unfortunately, if you don't know that the people, collectively or individually, are stronger than the Government, you have been missing a lot.


Monty Python- The Annoying Peasant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA



Cool
legendary
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January 19, 2017, 11:11:27 PM
#30
I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

Since you put it that way then I agree! Ross Ulbricht should not have gotten involved with their business. He is competing with one of the biggest, wealthiest and ruthless organizations in the world who are also backed by the the people of the United States of America. Ross should have thought twice before starting revolutionary market place for drugs.

Quote
It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.

Most of them are probably owned by the CIA because it is good business.

Watch this first - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10. Then forget about a few of the movies you'll watch this month, and get some practical understanding of how American law works at its core. It's 5 hours, but it isn't boring - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.

Ross has a way out. Watch, so that if you are ever in trouble with Government, you will know what to do.

Cool

No need to watch a 5 hour video. I think I have the gist of how American law works for everyone. It does not work the same for the poor people like us and for the rich elite who have a leverage on the politicians or some of them are friends and can as favors. The whole system is unfairly made against the population so that they can be put under control. Try to think if there was no such system. We would see all the poor killing the rich.
legendary
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January 19, 2017, 09:23:31 PM
#29
Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.
It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.
Economic crimes can have consequences much worse than murder. How many people died because of the global economic crisis? And how many children are not born? I think Obama knew what he was doing. He's a smart President.

Which crime is greater.

Imagine that Government makes a law that says people can't eat cereal for breakfast. Then, Ross goes out and eats cereal for breakfast.

Ross broke the law. Depending on why the law was made, he even might have endangered the life of someone... in the eyes of some of the people and Government.

Then, Government goes against the law and tries and imprisons Ross in ways that are not according to due process... no harmed man or woman on the stand showing his injury.



Think about this, now. Ross might have harmed or endangered the lives of a few people. Or maybe it was a few thousand. Or maybe nobody. But Government has endangered the lives of every American by not following due process when imprisoning Ross. How are the lives of Americans endangered? Now Government can go around accusing anybody of anything and making it stick whether or not that person has harmed anyone, simply by making up some goofy laws that they want to make up.

For thousands of years people have been using drugs, and it was not illegal. Now, all of a sudden, for the last hundred years, drugs are illegal. And Ross, who wasn't taking part in drug sales directly, but was simply hosting a marketing place where anybody could trade stuff, is sent to prison for life for simply hosting the marketing place.

The crime of Government by making stupid drug laws is bad. Their crime against Ross is worse. Their crime against the American people is starting to take on proportions many times the 60 to 100 million people Stalin executed in Russia and Eastern Europe. Why? Because all the Government is doing is supporting the medical... the medical which is killing millions, denying help to more millions, and not even allowing them to use natural drugs that take some of their pain away. And Government is supporting the medical in illegal ways (like with Ross), all for money.

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