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Quote from: coolcoinz on January 18, 2017, 05:58:37 PM

Quote from: Xester on January 18, 2017, 08:28:29 AM

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

Economic crimes can have consequences much worse than murder. How many people died because of the global economic crisis? And how many children are not born? I think Obama knew what he was doing. He's a smart President.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 19, 2017, 01:44:52 PM

Quote from: RawDog on January 17, 2017, 08:28:58 PM

Every 4 years, a US president leaves and lets a whole bunch of people out of jail by decree. Obama let out FAR, FAR more than any other president. Well over 1,500! Guess who was not on the list? That's right Ross Ulbricht of Bitcoin fame. Since Trump isn't letting anyone out of jail unless they are his friends, Ulbricht doesn't stand a chance for another 8 years at least! Probably 12 more years before even being considered. That sucks. Obama could have let him out. One strike of the pen- he would be free. It is over for him now. Over.

No one is going to take the extreme risk of pardoning a convicted drug dealer. If they do that, it will be the end of their political career. Ross Ulbricht has been massively demonized in the mainstream media. Now it is impossible to obtain a pardon for him.

Exactly, Ross is a criminal drug lord and Manning was a political prisoner. BIG difference.

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Quote from: RawDog on January 17, 2017, 08:28:58 PM

Every 4 years, a US president leaves and lets a whole bunch of people out of jail by decree. Obama let out FAR, FAR more than any other president. Well over 1,500! Guess who was not on the list? That's right Ross Ulbricht of Bitcoin fame. Since Trump isn't letting anyone out of jail unless they are his friends, Ulbricht doesn't stand a chance for another 8 years at least! Probably 12 more years before even being considered. That sucks. Obama could have let him out. One strike of the pen- he would be free. It is over for him now. Over.

No one is going to take the extreme risk of pardoning a convicted drug dealer. If they do that, it will be the end of their political career. Ross Ulbricht has been massively demonized in the mainstream media. Now it is impossible to obtain a pardon for him.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 18, 2017, 11:23:53 PM

Quote from: psychosis7 on January 18, 2017, 10:47:38 AM

Quote from: mk3000 on January 17, 2017, 11:03:12 PM

I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

Since you put it that way then I agree! Ross Ulbricht should not have gotten involved with their business. He is competing with one of the biggest, wealthiest and ruthless organizations in the world who are also backed by the the people of the United States of America. Ross should have thought twice before starting revolutionary market place for drugs.

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It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.

Most of them are probably owned by the CIA because it is good business.

Watch this first - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10. Then forget about a few of the movies you'll watch this month, and get some practical understanding of how American law works at its core. It's 5 hours, but it isn't boring - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.

Ross has a way out. Watch, so that if you are ever in trouble with Government, you will know what to do.

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Quote from: psychosis7 on January 18, 2017, 10:47:38 AM

Quote from: mk3000 on January 17, 2017, 11:03:12 PM

I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

Since you put it that way then I agree! Ross Ulbricht should not have gotten involved with their business. He is competing with one of the biggest, wealthiest and ruthless organizations in the world who are also backed by the the people of the United States of America. Ross should have thought twice before starting revolutionary market place for drugs.

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It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.

Most of them are probably owned by the CIA because it is good business.

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He gets there for life, he got it. But who knows Ross Ulbricht will probably have the chance this time now that its Trump. He still could be free if he'll be noticeably behave inside. A sentence reduced to 25 years is very much acceptable, if I were him I'd be very thankful with it. Having few years left to stay free before him being dead is still worth living Grin

He probably won't spend it to create another silkroad when he's 75 years old.

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Quote from: FFrankie on January 18, 2017, 09:16:38 PM

Quote from: coolcoinz on January 18, 2017, 05:58:37 PM

Quote from: Xester on January 18, 2017, 08:28:29 AM

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

What about that swimmer who got 3 months? The judge stepped down and everything if I remember correctly. This case was just too high profile which deemed the sentence. He needed to be made an example of.

And, if he does it properly, he can go back and sue those people who gave him the 3 months, and get paid for time spent. He can also get paid for loss of job and whatever else. If Ross ever wakes up to the basic, real, common law, he can make more off suing Government people than he ever dreamed of making off the Silk Road.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on January 18, 2017, 05:58:37 PM

Quote from: Xester on January 18, 2017, 08:28:29 AM

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

What about that swimmer who got 3 months? The judge stepped down and everything if I remember correctly. This case was just too high profile which deemed the sentence. He needed to be made an example of.

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Quote from: Xester on January 18, 2017, 08:28:29 AM

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

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Quote from: mk3000 on January 17, 2017, 11:03:12 PM

I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.

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Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

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Quote from: mk3000 on January 17, 2017, 11:03:12 PM

I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

He did do something he "ran / administrated / controlled / profited" from a criminal venture.

While I don't for one min think he acted alone building and running the slk road so at the end of they day he was the one who was caught in the act.
And who knows when your in control of something that had so much financial value that could send someone a little paranoid and do things out of character, But I do agree there could of been a big emphasis by the cops to fabricate the info that he was planning to have people killed to make him look like some kind of kingpin

will we ever know the truth.. Highly doubtful.

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The guy caused a major embarrassment for the American government. He might not have been the King Pin, but his involvement was proven. Why do you sympathize with people who created a platform for people to commit crimes? Drugs destroy families and lives, why should we feel sorry for him?

Yes, they might have made an example of him with the harsh jail time given to him, but that is no reason to give a pardon. C'mon people, be honest for a moment. Would you pardon him?

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Quote from: mk3000 on January 17, 2017, 11:03:12 PM

I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

B... but he did though. What kind of 'documentary' were you watching? If you want to read up a little bit about Ross, I went ahead and searched the interwebz for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht

Quote from: LeGaulois on January 17, 2017, 10:32:00 PM

It cannot be denied that the noise from medias is because of the Senator Schumer, who labeled him as a public enemy No. 1. But we can not completely exclude the hypothesis of a form of conspiracy. The fight against drugs in the United States represents a huge market. Between jails, tests, military industry, not to mention the crazy laws on the matter.

Set aside the incentive for politicians needing to please private jail backers... there is definitely an incentive, especially for business man Trump, to be able to create jobs. Anything that ramps up demand for workers, which also includes people who "enforce the law", is going to be priority #1 because that's been one of his major talking points; the ability to create new jobs. So you can bet that Trump will be OK with keeping the laws as is in order to keep the demand for a work force while probably trying to incarcerate more people in the process.

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Quote from: Gotottack on January 17, 2017, 10:29:56 PM

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Nobody gives a fuck, life goes on

Too true!

I don't think it will even create any difference to let him our or not. He's there for a reason anyway. Even if he does go back in the outside world, he'll not make an impact anymore in the bitcoin world even if he tries. I do think he is guilty anyway, he made his mistakes and that's why he ended up in jail.

Oh you must trust the government so much you just follow what they impose on you. Why the hell are you here in Bitcoin? Right, to make fiat money. Ok.

The world's biggest corporations and governments around the world have made and are making more crimes deliberately all in the name of profit. Always remember that. Ross Ulbricht was an entrepreneur who saw a gap in the market and created one of the most brilliant market places in the history of man. He is an innovator and yet everyone here refuses to acknowledge that.

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I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

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Ross can still beat them. It won't be easy. He'll have to determine who is harming him, and file a claim against each of them.

Richard Cornforth shows us, at http://voidjudgments.com/, the 4 things the courts must have before they can rule on anything. Richard states them with more words than necessary, partially because he is in business to make money. But here they are is simple form:
1. An accuser;
2. One being accused;
3. Real injury in the form of harm to the accuser, or damage to his property;
4. At least one witness, and evidence, that the accused did the injury.

In Ross's case, he never required an injured man or woman to step up to the stand and show the injury, and testify that Ross did it. This means that Ross can get out of it, although at this stage of the game, it will be difficult. It also means that, properly done, possibly 90% of the people in prison are their through judgments that are void, because the 4 things listed, above, were not used.

Richard says it this way: IF EVERY VOID JUDGMENT WAS VACATED WITH DAMAGES, IT WOULD REPRESENT THE GREATEST SHIFT IN MATERIAL WEALTH IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!: http://voidjudgments.com/detailsvoid.htm.

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Quote from: bittrojan on January 17, 2017, 10:35:25 PM

I shed a tear for ross every night. Seriously.

That's a little too gay dude. The 'seriously' part really creeps me out.

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I shed a tear for ross every night. Seriously.

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It cannot be denied that the noise from medias is because of the Senator Schumer, who labeled him as a public enemy No. 1. But we can not completely exclude the hypothesis of a form of conspiracy. The fight against drugs in the United States represents a huge market. Between jails, tests, military industry, not to mention the crazy laws on the matter.

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