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Can I please get a divorce?
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Can I please get a divorce?
Feel free to build up a night-watch-state like you want somewhere.
But don't force your idea of freedom upon me, please.
But don't force your idea of freedom upon me, please.
You realize that taxation involves forcing people to support the ideals of others, right? You respecting my freedom (not taxing me, not imposing regulations upon me, etc.) is not me "forcing" an idea on you in any way, shape, or form.
Oh, that's.... That's just genius.
I would like to see our community develop tools whereby individuals could voluntarily fund projects that have been traditionally thought of as being under the purview of the state.
Coming soon.
I look forward to this.
Expect an announcement in the next few weeks.
Something to whet the appetite.
http://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/PrivateProvision.pdf
I would like to see our community develop tools whereby individuals could voluntarily fund projects that have been traditionally thought of as being under the purview of the state.
Coming soon.
We have the technology.
Let's say Joe, Bill, and Sarah decide they want Road X to be repaired. They go to a website (something similar to kickstarter) in which they post the job they want done, and set down a little bit of cash to entice prospective contractors. More people who drive on Road X notice it needs repair and see the listing, and "back" the project to get the job done. Meanwhile, more businesses have noticed people are chipping in to get Road X repaired, and are auctioning with each other to get the job (example: company X will do the job for $500, then company Y says they'll do it for $450, on and on until nobody wants to bid lower.) Once enough "backers" pitch in the amount of money that the lowest bidding company agreed to do the job for, the project is funded and Road X gets repaired by the winning company, paid by the people who wanted the road to be fixed.
So it's like a two-way kickstarter; citizens add money to a pool, and businesses fight over who gets the work. This can be applied to any non-emergency service government provides.
Emergency services is where it gets even more creative; here's one method to handle security.
I would like to see our community develop tools whereby individuals could voluntarily fund projects that have been traditionally thought of as being under the purview of the state.
Coming soon.
I look forward to this.
Our community should demonstrate that it is capable of helping others in a completely voluntary way.
This goodwill will make it that much more difficult for those who feel threatened to demonize us.
I would like to see our community develop tools whereby individuals could voluntarily fund projects that have been traditionally thought of as being under the purview of the state.
Coming soon.
When there is no choice to decline the services of the state, it is theft. If every bit of work you do - which you need to do to survive - results in stuff being taken from you, it is slavery. Sugar coat it all you like, but this is the reality of the situation.
The whole point of insurance and/or subscription models is that you pay a small fee in the expectation that you are unlikely to need their services. Not subscribing and then expecting to just pay your subs on the day is laughable - you will be given the choice of the market rate for fire fighters at short notice or accepting the alternatives.
Regarding their time - it wasn't spent already. They didn't have to risk their lives putting out a fire - they could just sit in their truck.
Feel free to build up a night-watch-state like you want somewhere.
But don't force your idea of freedom upon me, please.
I doubt it's gonna work, but it seems like there are a lot of Bitcoiners who do (because well the decantrilzed money is one of your things)
So there shoudl be quite a lot of people who are rich now or gonna be rich and could buy a small state together /at least if Bitcoin is successful.
I would be excited to watch this experiment, maybe I'm wrong and it does work.
I don't want to force my idea on anyone - I want to be inert in regards to you and your situation. Please just do me the dignity of granting me the same.
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OK, so of those three men, which is more likely to have the expertise? The man whose house is burning down, the firefighter, or the man pointing the gun at the firefighter to make him put out the fire?
None of them, there are more then those three men.Guess I have confused you with someone else, my bad.
The discussion is tiring me out atm. I think I will take a break.
The discussion is tiring me out atm. I think I will take a break.
That's okay man, and I know how you feel. These debates can wear you out he he
The emphasis is on "alone".
Free market got some good sides, but it needs certain regulations.
Central planning alone is also crap ^^
And who decides the regulations?
If I want to buy something, and someone wants to sell me something, why does someone else have the right to get in between that transaction?
The reality is that regulations are a hindrance on the market. One of the reasons why they are so favoured is because big business likes to use them to push their smaller competitors, who can't afford the cost of compliance (lawyers, etc), out of the market.
P.s., I have no idea what night-watch-state is, but it doesn't sound like something I'd like.
Brief aside: The night-watchman state is the Minarchist's ideal state: Limits itself to monopoly on defense and justice.Ahh gotcha, thanks
Doesn't sound preferable, to be honest. It would be like a monotheistic religion cutting back to only having a little bit of God. At some point in time, that little bit of God will become a whole lot of God, and then it's back to square one.Guess I have confused you with someone else, my bad.
The discussion is tiring me out atm. I think I will take a break.
P.s., I have no idea what night-watch-state is, but it doesn't sound like something I'd like.
Brief aside: The night-watchman state is the Minarchist's ideal state: Limits itself to monopoly on defense and justice.Ahh gotcha, thanks
Doesn't sound preferable, to be honest. It would be like a monotheistic religion cutting back to only having a little bit of God. At some point in time, that little bit of God will become a whole lot of God, and then it's back to square one. Quote
OK, so of those three men, which is more likely to have the expertise? The man whose house is burning down, the firefighter, or the man pointing the gun at the firefighter to make him put out the fire?
None of them, there are more then those three men.So in this case that would be a part of the government for the overall laws and the firemen for the decisions that needs to be made on the spot (but he has to be able to argue why, like "this would be too dangerous")
P.s., I have no idea what night-watch-state is, but it doesn't sound like something I'd like.
Brief aside: The night-watchman state is the Minarchist's ideal state: Limits itself to monopoly on defense and justice. Hah, I was trying to make a remark. Because I think some kind of force is okay, while you think every force is wrong.
But enforcing your idea upon me is already a force. -> so the hypocrisy would be at you.
but not really important, just some blathering, ignore this one.
But seriously:
Feel free to build up a night-watch-state like you want somewhere.
I doubt it's gonna work, but it seems like there are a lot of Bitcoiners who do (because well the decantrilzed money is one of your things)
So there should be quite a lot of people who are rich now or gonna be rich and could buy a small state together (at least if Bitcoin is successful).
But enforcing your idea upon me is already a force. -> so the hypocrisy would be at you.
but not really important, just some blathering, ignore this one.
But seriously:
Feel free to build up a night-watch-state like you want somewhere.
I doubt it's gonna work, but it seems like there are a lot of Bitcoiners who do (because well the decantrilzed money is one of your things)
So there should be quite a lot of people who are rich now or gonna be rich and could buy a small state together (at least if Bitcoin is successful).
I did say please, didn't it? I'm asking you to see it my way; I'm not using force. If I were using force, I'd be at your house, banging on your door, threatening you to open and accept my ideologies as God-given truth or I'd burn your house down with you inside of it.
I believe this is our disconnect; you're still shaky on what "the use of force" is and is not. It's the difference between voluntarism (e.g., you coming to this site was voluntary, whatever you decided to have for lunch was voluntary, doing a little jig on your dining room table was probably voluntary), and coercion. In other words, stateless (voluntary) and state (coercion; force; involuntary.)
P.s., I have no idea what night-watch-state is, but it doesn't sound like something I'd like.
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OK, so of those three men, which is more likely to have the expertise? The man whose house is burning down, the firefighter, or the man pointing the gun at the firefighter to make him put out the fire?
None of them, there are more then those three men.Indeed it is a slippery rope and a lot of politics fail while doing this.
And you could discuss it, because right now there are people starving all over the planet. But the discussion whether or not this is a good idea would fill another hundred pages.
There just is no easy way out.
Not really. It's been tried many times in communist countries. People starved. The free market does it best, because the central planners just don't have enough information and never will.
Ummm, we have two clear cut cases here,
Free market food production produces a large variety and abundance of food.
Central Planning food leads to lack of food and lack of variety of food and ultimately leads to malnutrition and starvation.
The reasons why are quite obvious if you think about them. Now try applying that reasoning to other market sectors.
The emphasis is on "alone".
Free market got some good sides, but it needs certain regulations.
Central planning alone is also crap ^^
Indeed it is a slippery rope and a lot of politics fail while doing this.
And you could discuss it, because right now there are people starving all over the planet. But the discussion whether or not this is a good idea would fill another hundred pages.
There just is no easy way out.
Not really. It's been tried many times in communist countries. People starved. The free market does it best, because the central planners just don't have enough information and never will.
Ummm, we have two clear cut cases here,
Free market food production produces a large variety and abundance of food.
Central Planning food leads to lack of food and lack of variety of food and ultimately leads to malnutrition and starvation.
The reasons why are quite obvious if you think about them. Now try applying that reasoning to other market sectors.
Feel free to build up a night-watch-state like you want somewhere.
But don't force your idea of freedom upon me, please.
But don't force your idea of freedom upon me, please.
If you don't want to be forced upon you an idea, please stop supporting the state, who does force their ideas of freedom on you, and me, and other countries, if it can. It's either or. You can't be against force used against you, and in favor of force used against others. That's called plenty of things, but, hypocrisy (probably not using it right) would be the simplest way to explain it.
Hah, I was trying to make a remark. Because I think some kind of force is okay, while you think every force is wrong.
But enforcing your idea upon me is already a force. -> so the hypocrisy would be at you.
but not really important, just some blathering, ignore this one.
But seriously:
Feel free to build up a night-watch-state like you want somewhere.
I doubt it's gonna work, but it seems like there are a lot of Bitcoiners who do (because well the decantrilzed money is one of your things)
So there should be quite a lot of people who are rich now or gonna be rich and could buy a small state together (at least if Bitcoin is successful).
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