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Topic: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement - page 4. (Read 12524 times)

member
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September 26, 2014, 02:48:15 PM
Barwizis own little "scamNET"..
newbie
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September 25, 2014, 09:47:49 PM
Tentative Expected Launch date is 15/10/14 ! 
hero member
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September 25, 2014, 01:46:16 PM
BARWIZI IS A SCAMMER!  BEWARE!!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-scam-warning-barwizi-nrsnrbnoirgroupproject-x-789290


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legendary
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September 25, 2014, 01:25:14 PM
actually, I am confused how it work exactly. How? In short word.

S C A M


Not necessarily..

Similar to Lottoshares : coins are allocated to addresses copied from the other blockchains...private keys can sign and unlock the coins without being compromised.

The software is open source.
legendary
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September 25, 2014, 01:22:08 PM

You shouldn't say this stuff in this thread.

It is for everyone to make their own judgement.
newbie
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September 24, 2014, 03:22:14 AM
actually, I am confused how it work exactly. How? In short word.
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Socialist Cryptocurrency Devote
September 23, 2014, 10:21:14 PM
Please actually respond to what I said
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Ok so are you saying that your blockchain will contain an address for ever single address in every blockchain we can import from? Also point 5 your solution requires that you get the private key from the client which also needs to be running in order to get it. Also if you plan to not control the horde of coins then how will you claim any unclaimed coins? If you can access unclaimed coins from accounts then you could just as easily claim coins from activated accounts. Also how is signing a message any less complicated than dumping a private key?
Because I feel like you are just skimming over and picking what you want to answer.
legendary
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September 23, 2014, 07:38:02 PM
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September 23, 2014, 07:03:58 PM
legendary
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September 23, 2014, 06:47:39 PM
How does having people import their private key make it any easier to calculate the coins due to them? The coins due for each account should be calculated when the snapshot occurs and doesn't require user input so I don't see why a script that securely enables users to provide evidence of ownership and provide an address to receive their coins is any different. You still need to calculate the coins that are due to each account either way. Infact it would be easier to not store every address on your chain and instead have a script that looks at your snapshot data when they go to claim their coins and then sends the correct allocated amount from a pool of redemption coins that is entirely automated removing trust altogether from the system. Plus this way you could keep the redemption system going for far longer and if you wanted have it send you 1% to your address which can be documented on the blockchain this way

I think you need to read all the posts I've made in this regard and the ones on the page and the last from various groups that have already used the same method.

You keep hopping from one area to another

Find a method since you  seem to believe there is one that meets the following criteria :

1) Static balances for all addresses in each and every chain (should be scalable to 200 or 400 coins)
2) Easy proof of ownership and redeeming without any need for technical input, just a few instructions
3) Method of redeeming should be scalable up to 200 or 400 coins
4) Balances should be easily verifiable from block 1
5) anyone can redeem offline, and maintain their privacy


Explain to me how what I proposed is not applicable to every single point you mentioned because I seem to be the only one laying out any sort of comprehensive solution. Or better yet explain how your solution fits your own criteria because last time I checked you need to be online in order to sync your wallet that you redeemed

signing a message prove ownership on chain A, and we want to redeem on chain B so you want me to write a script that sends coins to chain B  when chain A signs a message?

here is problem number 1 , this means i have to mine all the coins in advance leaving them in my possession, which means i have to take responsibilty for them NO, I REFUSE. not only is it extra work it means anyone who fails to redeem their coins will begin bothering me about it. And considering the sheer number of possible addresses, that will take the rest of my life.

2) your method is highly inefficient and requires that there be a server that automatically pays out, meaning if someone gains access or plain just DDoS it then redeeming is messed up.

3) Your method requires that i remain on hand and become a help desk for everyone yet a simple do it yourself method that is proven exists

4) Your method requires that users be online to redeem their coins, mine doesn't

5) Your method is NOT scalable at all as it requires running every single client of every coin involved

6) in your method balances are not easily verifiable from Block 1

Let me explain How my method trumps yours

1) Once you download the wallet, even if it syncs just the first block, your balance will appear that instant and you are free to move it if you wish.

2) There is no need for proof of ownership, you just redeem your coins and go about your business and even the most technically inept can follow two lines of instructions.

3) It is easily scalable, i already have + 30 Block chain with up to date balances, running a script for a few seconds will compile all the balances and format them ready for inclusion, and if the code is ready, even the genesis block will be mined without any intervention from me.

4) A brand new wallet will reflect your balance

5) you can redeem offline by simply having  a copy of the client, no hassle, all security issues got out the window.
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September 23, 2014, 06:26:40 PM
How does having people import their private key make it any easier to calculate the coins due to them? The coins due for each account should be calculated when the snapshot occurs and doesn't require user input so I don't see why a script that securely enables users to provide evidence of ownership and provide an address to receive their coins is any different. You still need to calculate the coins that are due to each account either way. Infact it would be easier to not store every address on your chain and instead have a script that looks at your snapshot data when they go to claim their coins and then sends the correct allocated amount from a pool of redemption coins that is entirely automated removing trust altogether from the system. Plus this way you could keep the redemption system going for far longer and if you wanted have it send you 1% to your address which can be documented on the blockchain this way

I think you need to read all the posts I've made in this regard and the ones on the page and the last from various groups that have already used the same method.

You keep hopping from one area to another

Find a method since you  seem to believe there is one that meets the following criteria :

1) Static balances for all addresses in each and every chain (should be scalable to 200 or 400 coins)
2) Easy proof of ownership and redeeming without any need for technical input, just a few instructions
3) Method of redeeming should be scalable up to 200 or 400 coins
4) Balances should be easily verifiable from block 1
5) anyone can redeem offline, and maintain their privacy


Explain to me how what I proposed is not applicable to every single point you mentioned because I seem to be the only one laying out any sort of comprehensive solution. Or better yet explain how your solution fits your own criteria because last time I checked you need to be online in order to sync your wallet that you redeemed
legendary
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September 23, 2014, 06:15:41 PM
How does having people import their private key make it any easier to calculate the coins due to them? The coins due for each account should be calculated when the snapshot occurs and doesn't require user input so I don't see why a script that securely enables users to provide evidence of ownership and provide an address to receive their coins is any different. You still need to calculate the coins that are due to each account either way. Infact it would be easier to not store every address on your chain and instead have a script that looks at your snapshot data when they go to claim their coins and then sends the correct allocated amount from a pool of redemption coins that is entirely automated removing trust altogether from the system. Plus this way you could keep the redemption system going for far longer and if you wanted have it send you 1% to your address which can be documented on the blockchain this way

I think you need to read all the posts I've made in this regard and the ones on the page and the last from various groups that have already used the same method.

You keep hopping from one area to another

Find a method since you  seem to believe there is one that meets the following criteria :

1) Static balances for all addresses in each and every chain (should be scalable to 200 or 400 coins)
2) Easy proof of ownership and redeeming without any need for technical input, just a few instructions
3) Method of redeeming should be scalable up to 200 or 400 coins
4) Balances should be easily verifiable from block 1
5) anyone can redeem offline, and maintain their privacy

full member
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Socialist Cryptocurrency Devote
September 23, 2014, 03:08:59 PM
How does having people import their private key make it any easier to calculate the coins due to them? The coins due for each account should be calculated when the snapshot occurs and doesn't require user input so I don't see why a script that securely enables users to provide evidence of ownership and provide an address to receive their coins is any different. You still need to calculate the coins that are due to each account either way. Infact it would be easier to not store every address on your chain and instead have a script that looks at your snapshot data when they go to claim their coins and then sends the correct allocated amount from a pool of redemption coins that is entirely automated removing trust altogether from the system. Plus this way you could keep the redemption system going for far longer and if you wanted have it send you 1% to your address which can be documented on the blockchain this way
legendary
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September 23, 2014, 11:46:17 AM
How about  I fork this and make one without the premine, what do you say to that? I agree, 1% could potentially be a lot.

remember this:-

I'm gonna fork and relaunch this, anyone got a node i can use?

But i didnt do it did I? Such an old post.

1% is only a lot if this coin has low, or no interest at all.
hero member
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September 23, 2014, 07:39:35 AM
How about  I fork this and make one without the premine, what do you say to that? I agree, 1% could potentially be a lot.

remember this:-

I'm gonna fork and relaunch this, anyone got a node i can use?
legendary
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September 23, 2014, 06:33:39 AM
Also you never even considered the option I came up with that has zero security issues and is effectively fool proof as you can't fake a sig, all you can do is try to take something that some has signed before and pass it off as your own but if the message is randomly generated you can't fake it
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You could have a script where you give your address you want to redeem and then it asks for a random message to be signed within like lets say 5 minutes and if that signature can be verified correctly then you just send the correctly allocated funds to their payout account that the user specifies, problem solved.
Furthermore you shouldn't control unclaimed coins that is just dumb, if anything you should only get 1% of all claimed coins and even that is far far too much. Also it isn't owning 1% of your idea, your idea is to join all the coins under one platform, thats called an exchange... you didn't come up with anything. If people really wanted to get all their coins into one wallet they could just trade them for the coin they wanted to have...

That takes care of Ownership but how does it deal with calculating the coins due for that account?

You keep solving one problem at the expense of the other so excuse me, it looks like that is just dumb.

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thats called an exchange

Please explain how in any way this is an exchange?

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If people really wanted to get all their coins into one wallet they could just trade them for the coin they wanted to have...


People are free to participate or not, i see no rule on this forum that says you must always have a piece of every coin. If they are uninterested, they will simply not claim their share.
sr. member
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September 23, 2014, 05:42:05 AM
Why do you keep deleting posts barwizi?

Because he has no answers to the questions or accusations.

And, he's a scammer.


Shame but seems like  Sad
legendary
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September 22, 2014, 11:18:19 PM
Why do you keep deleting posts barwizi?
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September 22, 2014, 10:41:55 PM
Also you never even considered the option I came up with that has zero security issues and is effectively fool proof as you can't fake a sig, all you can do is try to take something that some has signed before and pass it off as your own but if the message is randomly generated you can't fake it
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You could have a script where you give your address you want to redeem and then it asks for a random message to be signed within like lets say 5 minutes and if that signature can be verified correctly then you just send the correctly allocated funds to their payout account that the user specifies, problem solved.
Furthermore you shouldn't control unclaimed coins that is just dumb, if anything you should only get 1% of all claimed coins and even that is far far too much. Also it isn't owning 1% of your idea, your idea is to join all the coins under one platform, thats called an exchange... you didn't come up with anything. If people really wanted to get all their coins into one wallet they could just trade them for the coin they wanted to have...
legendary
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ORB has a good chance to grow.
September 22, 2014, 10:40:02 PM
I do not understand the people! Most people here want the developer is reachable 24 hours! And best your question in a few seconds and problem solve in minutes!

Ask these people also once someone of what such a developer lives Huh

most people in the world go work 8 per day and sleep 8 hours, 1 to 3 hours on average takes time for things every day!
Example Just the ride to his work!

so 5 hours stay for free time if you have no children or so!
And no other interests !!!

I think this is too much students go, young people, because they have more free time! And not have to take care of themselves !!! But papa and mama will pay for everything!

And why should someone work for free, I always wonder !!!
Especially since you also can not develop it, because without money you have no PC, no power no apartment, how is this so everything will be paid.
Yes that's the REAL life

If someone likes nothing works without expecting anything in return, then please contact me, I would forgive tasks.
Because my time is often scarce a day

and honest !! No one is here because he wants to do something for free, because everyone wants to earn something, namely money. Even if he just stupid puscher post to write because he has just invested!

almost every multi-pool takes 1-2% for themselves ... some even 3-5%
and the need to develop anything, because the software is free, it must be provided only once and then the running costs are covered! But for that you need time and thus it is ok!

developer of software miner 2.5% to 3% only for the miner software example PTS
if you use your Miner and ypool example assumes 5% + plus 2.5% for miner software so you pay 7.5% in total

So I do not understand the Disskusion!
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