that is what i have heard.
Topic: nullc reddit account suspended 2/23/17 What's the story? - page 2. (Read 16181 times)
that is what i have heard.
Probably he felt it was a good use of his time because he thought he was preventing himself from getting smeared, and I imagine it must be hard for him to not respond when most of the abuse is aimed at him and his company. I don't blame him for what he was doing, but all it did was delay things and drag on the debate even further. Why don't we just let them have their insane echo chamber, and let them all fall off a cliff together? Why try to help them?
Gmax can speak for their self but to me it isn't about the smearing so much (or perhaps only partially is) but rather the opportunity to use the disinformative post as a chance to clear up the misinformation.
It's a good device to be able to address popular troll posts as a way to propagate good information to the sincere people that happen to be reading the drivel. In this we learn not only the truth, but how to address the disinformation and insincere complaints. So Gmax is also giving out weapons to defenders of truth in this way.
It's sad but I think he brought a lot of value to the community through this.
But it could be said the time for this is up. I know I myself have been very critical of the journalists that write stories about hearn gavin and ver because they are perpetuating a false narrative that is not grounded in any (economic) science. Torpey and Aaron W., to me, should know better but they always seem to have something about Ver in their pieces. I suspect its possible that Ver has control over much of the bitcoin media content that gets printed and that these two know it and pander to him to get printed.
It might be the intelligent thing to let r/btc and it's supporters cannibalize themselves, and if so then I guess it should be a concerted effort to let them do so.
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so you prefer the one where censorship reigns over the other.
that is what i have heard.
You want users to be less informed? Strange.
This sounds a lot like how fake news spreads...
This sounds a lot like how fake news spreads...
If a minority of idiots have to lose their coins to end this drama, then yes, I'm all for that. If anything this recent obsession with "fake news" has taught us, it's that you can't use facts and logic to make these people stop believing this stuff. For every 1 person you convince, another 2 will be drawn into /r/btc through bitcoin.com or something, and subscribe to the same repeated lies that have been debunked.
I get this but I think its relevant to point out that Gmax felt it was some of the best use of his time, and he's prob a good judge of that. I think the debate needs to end as well but that the way to do it is to move into dialogue: http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Chaos-Complexity/dialogue.pdf
Probably he felt it was a good use of his time because he thought he was preventing himself from getting smeared, and I imagine it must be hard for him to not respond when most of the abuse is aimed at him and his company. I don't blame him for what he was doing, but all it did was delay things and drag on the debate even further. Why don't we just let them have their insane echo chamber, and let them all fall off a cliff together? Why try to help them?
I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.
Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.
You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.
I get this but I think its relevant to point out that Gmax felt it was some of the best use of his time, and he's prob a good judge of that. I think the debate needs to end as well but that the way to do it is to move into dialogue: http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Chaos-Complexity/dialogue.pdf Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.
You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.
so you prefer the one where censorship reigns over the other.
Apologies if I have misunderstood you.
I'm all for BU but i'd be happy with a simple hardfork increasing the blocksize. Anything is better than the current situation.
I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.
You want users to be less informed? Strange.This sounds a lot like how fake news spreads...
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I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.
Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.
You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.
Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.
You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.
I'm all for BU but i'd be happy with a simple hardfork increasing the blocksize. Anything is better than the current situation.
Not really, fucking up in the process by rushing up things is worse than what we already have, and that is what BUcoin will do.
It's sad to see that nullc is still banned, I expected the situation to get corrected.
I don't care bout the /r/btc shithole but his posts were valuable in /r/bitcoin.
so you prefer the one where censorship reigns over the other.
I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.
Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.
You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.
Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.
You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.
I'm all for BU but i'd be happy with a simple hardfork increasing the blocksize. Anything is better than the current situation.
Not really, fucking up in the process by rushing up things is worse than what we already have, and that is what BUcoin will do.
It's sad to see that nullc is still banned, I expected the situation to get corrected.
I don't care bout the /r/btc shithole but his posts were valuable in /r/bitcoin.
legendary
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I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.
Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.
You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.
Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.
You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.
I'm all for BU but i'd be happy with a simple hardfork increasing the blocksize. Anything is better than the current situation.
I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.
Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.
You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.
Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.
You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.
are you cypherdoc, cause if so, ill make a fool out of you too.
No. No relation. I was unaware when I created my accounts that there was an infamous "cypherdoc". I would have likely chosen a different name or at least capitalized differently if I had realized that.
all the cool people are banned from r/btc and r/bitcoin.
Wrong. Actual edgelords never posted there in the first place. We'd sooner sign up for Facebook.
all the cool people are banned from r/btc and r/bitcoin.
Wrong. Actual edgelords never posted there in the first place. We'd sooner sign up for Facebook.
I'm more OK with the nullc ban than I thought I'd be. Let them stew in ignorant rage; Conde Naste doesn't deserve your free content.
The problem with your sentiments is that nullc is the best judge of how to spend his time in the most valuable way, and he choose to spend time on reddit dispelling ignorance. Also when such a high profile and well regarded dev gets treated like this it deters other talent (this effects the protocol negatively).
The problem with your sentiments is that I'm the best judge of how I wish react to an event such as nullc's banning.
If you think handing the rbtc jackals ammo and a scalp by being spear-phished and goaded into a trap is a desirable outcome, that's fine.
I'd prefer gmax remain there dispelling ignorance, which the source of my criticism of the specific *subset* of his actions which resulted in the suspension.
That's not trying to micromanage "his time" it's just pointing out that the (final) trollhunting incident was an egregiously unforced error.
You weren't there for this thread, so it's understandable why the final chapter of the saga is taking you by surprise.
We need you on Reddit fighting the good fight. It's ridiculous you're handing the r/btc turds ammo.
always avoid posting any emails since the rules are nonsense, we can't afford gmax getting banned
avoid posting any emails
...because I posted a commit message
Hmm, I know this is your favorite topic, but can you please agree on the minor point that your original comment with gavin's email was not in the form of a commit message, even if it was only briefly in this original form before being edited?
The evidence is still here: https://ceddit.com/r/btc/comments/5g3weu/blockstreams_creator_changes_bitcoin_network/
Also since it was, for however brief a time, not in the form of a commit message, you may not want to rely on that so forcefully as somehow validating that the comment should be allowed. Sorry if I can't let that go.
To help convince you I'm acting in good faith here, look at this little discussion with BitcoinXio on the most recent suspension where I both confronted him on his lame accusations and revealed that he doesn't know that the report button on reddit comments can alert reddit admins directly. Which by the way might have been what happened. Might not have been rbtc mods, but I can't tell either way.
I'm more OK with the nullc ban than I thought I'd be. Let them stew in ignorant rage; Conde Naste doesn't deserve your free content.
The problem with your sentiments is that nullc is the best judge of how to spend his time in the most valuable way, and he choose to spend time on reddit dispelling ignorance. Also when such a high profile and well regarded dev gets treated like this it deters other talent (this effects the protocol negatively).
The problem with your sentiments is that I'm the best judge of how I wish react to an event such as nullc's banning.
If you think handing the rbtc jackals ammo and a scalp by being spear-phished and goaded into a trap is a desirable outcome, that's fine.
I'd prefer gmax remain there dispelling ignorance, which the source of my criticism of the specific *subset* of his actions which resulted in the suspension.
That's not trying to micromanage "his time" it's just pointing out that the (final) trollhunting incident was an egregiously unforced error.
You weren't there for this thread, so it's understandable why the final chapter of the saga is taking you by surprise.
We need you on Reddit fighting the good fight. It's ridiculous you're handing the r/btc turds ammo.
always avoid posting any emails since the rules are nonsense, we can't afford gmax getting banned
avoid posting any emails
Like I said, the voting manipulation is very transparent, so it is possible that blockstream is financing the vote rigging in order to discredit the message that the "big blockers" are trying to say. I am not saying this is the case, but rather it is one possibility.
I think you are a moron, and I am willing to continue dialogue to expose you as such. It is possible that there is vote manipulation going on at r/btc, I might even describe it as probable based on what I have seen. I would point out that the apparent vote manipulation is fairly obvious, and not a very good job is being done to cover it up.
I would be quick to point out that the people behind the vote manipulation are not necessarily people who desire to have larger blocks. It would be very well possible that those behind this vote manipulation are trying to discredit those who support large blocks by being very transparent about the vote manipulation. The only thing I can conclusively say is that voting scores are not a reliable indicator on reddit -- this includes sorting comments by "best" instead of by "top".
u/nullc's judgment is clearly not that great as evidenced by how easily he was gamed. It is too bad that commit keys are revoked only for political reasons and not for "legitimate business"/"legitimate security" reasons....
We've seen evidence of voting manipulation and it was generally against small blockers (generally is a generous word here). I would be quick to point out that the people behind the vote manipulation are not necessarily people who desire to have larger blocks. It would be very well possible that those behind this vote manipulation are trying to discredit those who support large blocks by being very transparent about the vote manipulation. The only thing I can conclusively say is that voting scores are not a reliable indicator on reddit -- this includes sorting comments by "best" instead of by "top".
u/nullc's judgment is clearly not that great as evidenced by how easily he was gamed. It is too bad that commit keys are revoked only for political reasons and not for "legitimate business"/"legitimate security" reasons....
As I understand this is another attempt to undermine (such a good word) the system: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-February/013643.html
I might not read it well, but too me it says "consensus for change is difficult and we need to make it easier."
I think the link you posted is an attempt to get SegWit activated without any kind of consensus
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