Topic: nullc reddit account suspended 2/23/17 What's the story? - page 4. (Read 16181 times)

Interesting...

More time for coding and more important things now?

the story is that he try to do a tech talk with a bunch of conspiracy lunatics.

Who remembers when reddit really started to crack down on "doxxing"?  iirc, it was in defense of that /r/CreepShot reddit and some other strange kid porn subreddits, where pervs would take upskirt pics of chicks, then some news reported exposed the main mod there and doxxed his real name.  Then it became a huge "no no" to dox people.  Reddit is a bit of a joke.

http://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-the-biggest-troll-on-the-web

No intent to (unfairly/unduly  ) smear you, but I haven't seen definitive proof your first suspension was for Gavin's email and not harassing Frap.doc (or both).

Fair point about s230, however Reddit still has the liability of dealing with potentially horrible PR if something bad happened IRL as a result of their posters running amok.  There's also the liability of having to go to court to clear their name under s230 ('the process is the punishment').

The 100% ludicrous Gavin email thing was clearly the rbtc turds reaching, but nevertheless they drew blood and that lesson wasn't learned.


BTW, the post at https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5g3weu/blockstreams_creator_changes_bitcoin_network/dap9jyr/ is gone, just like Every. Single. Post. linking Frap.doc's handle to his true name.

Please don't smear me-- I was suspended before because BitcoinXio reported me to the admins for "doxing" for posting a github commit message, which worked for a bit because Reddit staff didn't know that a commit message was not private personal information, and didn't know that Gavin's email address had already been long ago posted by himself. I was unsuspended when they figured it out, and the post in question is visible today: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5g3weu/blockstreams_creator_changes_bitcoin_network/dap9jyr/


Due to s230 they have basically no (legal) liability for material posted by their users-- even if their action were to rise to the level of recklessness, they would still have no liability.

But indeed, I know about Reddit's rules; but the rules do not prohibit posting material that the person it was about requested be posted, and the person in question had already posted a link to a page they put up with their email address previously.  (Besides, if I'd thought to remove it and done so, it would have invalidated the DKIM signature on the message).  And as I said in my post above-- it's their right to have foolish policies if they choose to. (Ultimately, I think that letting me address libelous comments by one on one refuting them is ultimately a time and trouble saver for reddit, but nothing requires that they agree).

Reddit doesn't really have an appeals process as far as I can tell: All you do within the process is provide information to the specific administrator that they made an error.

You go to war with the forum you have, not the forum you want.

We all knew in advance about Reddit's stupid arbitrary rules.  Their site and their liability, therefore their TOS.  DUH.

GMAX was already on double-secret probation, having been suspended for doxing/harassment/witch-hunting once before (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/greg-maxwell-aka-unullc-is-banned-from-reddit-1704972).

There is an appeal process, which GMAX and Roger Ver have previously utilized for reinstatement.  But this may be one toke over the line for Greg.   

Reddit has an especially stupid policy on banning users. Admins go through reports by hand and biases can be very obvious. Reddit isn't open as to how many of their employed have the power to ban users but that number surely must have not grown proportionately to Reddit's growth through the years as the platform is not profitable.

Bans are not questioned and there's no appeal process. Reddit employees with ban powers can ban anyone at their will with nobody being able to question their decision. Witchunts often result unsubstantiated bans in Reddit as the lack of Reddit employees on a payroll just puts pressure on the few ones to keep the platform clean and the majority of users pleases, disregarding free speech.

Bitcoin users really need to move on another sort of forum in order to facilitate better discussions.

Was unaware that all this drama was happening on Reddit. If we have people being banned for reasons similar to what's explained above and if we have direct involvement from reddit admins, well... I won't be amazed if suddenly Bitcoin and or cryptocurrency related subreddits disappear...

And now our friendly (ex)rbtc mod account that I was accused of 'doxing' has argued that it was intended the whole time https://twitter.com/SouperNerd/status/835015250432819200

Cleaning up the subreddit of defamatory postings was the apparent idea.

yea moon typos from merging together multiple messages.  LOL. or perhaps I'm just subconsciously trying to feed the conspiracy theories.

That would have been a very bizarre way of "cleaning [your reputation] up"...



I could not fail to notice the bizarre typos -- "me" and "I" instead of "him" and "he".  As if... 

Hope to see you on reddit soon, and FWIW, thanks for the portion of 1200USD that you are responsible for.

It is things like this that make me support Core and Segwit then later the Lightning Network as a scaling solution for Bitcoin. Roger Ver sounds like a nice guy in interviews but he likes to play dirty. That I can understand but it is not something I would want to do myself to gain an advantage. That is what dirty politicians would do.

On a lighter note, now is the time to register nullc usernames on Reddit like nullcisback or nullcbiatch and then start trolling /r/btc.

I've talked to the admin that performed the block and I know their reason for it.

Here is the background:

A couple days ago a number of people on rbtc started posting this outrageous lie that I backdoored the firewalls of Juniper networks--  I worked for Juniper a number a years ago, and last year they discovered that someone (likely a state actor) had added backdoors to their firewall products. The compromise was traced back to about a year after I left the company.  I never worked on the firewalls and it was a long time after I left-- there isn't any reason to say I was involved (no more than the hundred thousand other juniper alums and current employees) and, of course, no one _except_ rbtc has ever thought there was a reason think I was involved.

I replied refuting this libel (as I've found that if I don't reply they repeat it as fact until it starts showing up in the press as something 'known to be true' )  and the ex-mod soupernerd responded skeptically and basically spreading the claim.

This was highly surprising to me because a couple months ago he contacted me lamenting the lies and personal attacks on Reddit, it just didn't sound like him.  Also, a couple months ago he offered-- unsolicited-- to sell me his moderation account on rbtc so that I could use it to clean things up.  An offer I did not accept.

So I asked him if he was the original account owner.  He insisted that I was incorrect and that he was insulted that I'd suggest that he would sell his account.  I pointed out that he did attempt to sell his account and that I had cryptographically signed emails showing it. He demanded I show it, so of course I did: https://0bin.net/paste/uH-GH2fgXFSQT--i#1EXsaWxQAGJXFnqnyYXo7LS9KvbLwRGrQQ0fRcTLXw0  Of course, even if I wanted or thought it was appropriate to remove the email address (which had no personal information beyond the same pseudonym as used on Reddit)-- I couldn't without invalidating the digital signature.  He continued to deny it, denied ever owning that email address, but  many other people cropped up and showed he was using that address on twitter, classic slack, domain registrations, and other places. Souprnerd was banned on rbtc.

A few months back rbtc's admins also fraudulently reported me for 'doxing' because I posted a commit message from the public Bitcoin repository to show the origin of an error message a person was accusing me of maliciously adding (the error message was added by Gavin). I was unbanned after showing the Reddit admin that Gavin himself had posted his name and info on Reddit months ago.

So after this souprnerd posting the rbtc admins reported me to the site admins asserting that I was repeatedly  guilty of doxing and in response Reddit has permanently suspended my account because of this.  

Unfortunately, I think Reddit's admins are just being unwittingly made pawns in certain parties fight against the Bitcoin project; similar to how https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5m3d4i/lets_report_bitcoinorg_for_what_it_is_unwanted/]bad actors in that subreddit have gotten Bitcoin developer sites listed on anti-malware bad site lists and Bitcoin Core listed in anti-virus software as malware.  The fact of the matter is that their untruthful claims are more effective when there isn't an expert relentlessly disagreeing with them, and if they can use reddit as a pawn to achieve their goals they think that is fair game (as Roger Ver told me specifically when I previously complained about the ethics of him attempting to pressure Reddit's CEO for control over rbitcoin).

Meanwhile, the same Reddit admin (so I am told) decided that both Myself and Theymos' personal information is fair game on the site.

Of course, Reddit is free to decide to kick users off their service-- even capriciously-- it's their site.

Inquiring minds want to know.